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TonightYou · Aug 25, 2014

Mr.Head said:
http://www.cagepotato.com/lee-mein-arrested-for-felony-sexual-battery-blocked-from-cornering-son-at-ufc-fight-night-49/

Am I a rape apologist for thinking it's bullshit he got arrested? The affidavit seems like barely anything criminal happened, she said no (several twice in a matter of seconds apparently) he stopped she left.

I think this is absolutely fucking ridiculous and is exactly the reason why women who are actually abused get questioned, because people like this woman use the system to try and get ahead. If there wasn't a billion dollar MMA company putting this guy in that hotel and paying for his room, which she would have known about, I bet this never happens. Never mind that two other MMA fighters were in the news for ACTUAL abuses on women, that had nothing to do with it I bet, just coincidence I'm sure.

I don't find it very surprising at all it's yet again another short term hotel employee, why the fuck would any hotel employee think it's ok to go into a private room and flirt with someone. NOW I'm not saying you flirt with someone it's ok to rape them, that's not it at all, and that's not what happened according to the police report. But you flirt with someone then approach them and get kissed, and maybe a titty touch? that seems like it's kind of predictable given the atmosphere.

I don't believe for a second he Kissed her, grabbed her titty, and tried to get his hand down her pants in a matter of seconds, that just seems a little too busy and something that was tacked on for dramatic effect.

This whole thing wreaks of a set up.

AND since when are hotel employees not trained specifically NOT TO FLIRT IN A PRIVATE ROOM PERIOD. Someone tells you you are hot and you have no interest in them you say "thanks" not "you're hot too" lol what a joke.

Sounds rapey to me. Most rapes go unreported and very few rape accusations are false. Just because you complement a woman and she returns the complement (most of the time due to being uncomfortable and their job is to make a guest comfortable) doesn't mean you may kiss her or cop a feel. Besides a criminal suit give no monetary justice to a victim, that would be a civil suit.

TonightYou · Aug 25, 2014

Mr.Head said:
I really hope his life isn't destroyed over this.

I was quick to jump to her defense a couple days ago, until I read the police report.

If it was what I read I hope it does. Fuck dudes that think women are possessions or property they are entitled to.

st0wandgrow · Aug 25, 2014

TonightYou said:
If it was what I read I hope it does. Fuck dudes that think women are possessions or property they are entitled to.

You hope his life is ruined over an *alleged* 2 second encounter? Wow. I mean, I could understand you feeling that way had he locked her in the room and actually raped her. I'd agree with your sentiment then. Knowing this guy I don't buy the story, but even if true he doesn't deserve to have his life ruined over what looks like him mistaking her words for a green light to hook up.

How do you know that this girl isn't fabricating this for financial gain?

Mr.Head · Aug 25, 2014

This fucking site is ridiculous. I had a huge reply typed out, it showed I posted it twice I deleted one now they are both gone and it won't come back with an undo. FFS

Well I'm not typing it again. Maybe later.

This is a misunderstanding at worst IMO, an apology should be the end of it.

This seems like an incident of "no means no" working exactly as it is supposed to. The big evil man stopped.

I think this whole unreported rape thing needs to stop being an argument, men can not report rape on themselves they get laughed out of the police station unless the chick looks like a gremlin. Even teenagers who get statutory raped get laughed at and things are said like "I bet he didn't fight it at the time" "I bet he liked it" "Nice". There are incidence of men being raped and put on local news to be made fun of. So please, this whole unreported rape argument goes for both sides of the spectrum, society has a huge problem with accepting rape as a victim and an offender, they view both parties as being equally responsible regardless of sex.

TonightYou · Aug 25, 2014

st0wandgrow said:
You hope his life is ruined over an *alleged* 2 second encounter? Wow. I mean, I could understand you feeling that way had he locked her in the room and actually raped her. I'd agree with your sentiment then. Knowing this guy I don't buy the story, but even if true he doesn't deserve to have his life ruined over what looks like him mistaking her words for a green light to hook up.

How do you know that this girl isn't fabricating this for financial gain?

Between one out of four and one out of five women have been sexually assaulted during their life time. Women surely you and I both care for either knowingly or more commonly unknowingly. I know friends and loved ones who've been sexually abused. Some to the extent of what this claim is, others far worse.

There needs to be consequences for such actions and yes at this point it's alleged. A court can sort out the truth. But often times we ignore and place blame or motive on actual victims, which only stiffens other victims (which could be our lovers, sisters, daughters or family) to coming forward when abuse does happen.

TonightYou · Aug 25, 2014

st0wandgrow said:
You hope his life is ruined over an *alleged* 2 second encounter? Wow. I mean, I could understand you feeling that way had he locked her in the room and actually raped her. I'd agree with your sentiment then. Knowing this guy I don't buy the story, but even if true he doesn't deserve to have his life ruined over what looks like him mistaking her words for a green light to hook up.

How do you know that this girl isn't fabricating this for financial gain?

And like I said, in a criminal case, which has a much higher bar for conviction has no financial gain for a victim. If he was found guilty in criminal court, he surly would be found guilty in a civil.

Sorry, sexual assault and abuse are topics that make my blood boil. People I truly love have had this happen to them and it deeply affects their lives and the lives of those they love.

Jussblaz3420 · Aug 25, 2014

Fuck bitches get money

natro.hydro · Aug 25, 2014

Yeah it is still alleged but sounds like someone has been watching to much french maid porno or something. While it is alleged, and innocent until proven guilty I know all to many guys that force themselves a little bit because they got a posutive response from it ONE time. Its weird but some chicks do like it a little rapey.

Sorry stow and mr. Head idk how you guys can dismiss that the guy outside the door heard her say no, or does he have a stake in this as well and the defendants word is the only one worth a damn?

Pass it Around · Aug 25, 2014

TonightYou said:
And like I said, in a criminal case, which has a much higher bar for conviction has no financial gain for a victim. If he was found guilty in criminal court, he surly would be found guilty in a civil.

Sorry, sexual assault and abuse are topics that make my blood boil. People I truly love have had this happen to them and it deeply affects their lives and the lives of those they love.

They may make your blood boil but they also throw innocent men into situations that are uncalled for. I have pushed girls off me because I know I don't want to end up with a crazy bitch next to me and they end up telling their friends some crazy ass stories about random shit that never happened.

All because I wouldn't bone her...

not all guys are actually guilty but the ones who are need to get dragged behind a racecar.

Mr.Head · Aug 25, 2014

natro.hydro said:
Yeah it is still alleged but sounds like someone has been watching to much french maid porno or something. While it is alleged, and innocent until proven guilty I know all to many guys that force themselves a little bit because they got a posutive response from it ONE time. Its weird but some chicks do like it a little rapey.

Sorry stow and mr. Head idk how you guys can dismiss that the guy outside the door heard her say no, or does he have a stake in this as well and the defendants word is the only one worth a damn?

The fact is she said no and he stopped, it says as much in the police report. This was a "few second" incident she said no and it ended. That's how it is supposed to happen is it not?

Or are men rapists before she even says no now? Even when she admits to flirting. It's a misunderstanding. It's getting to the point where a man can't make an advance anymore.

And yes he probably does watch too much porn lol.

Pass it Around · Aug 25, 2014

Mr.Head said:
The fact is she said no and he stopped, it says as much in the police report. This was a "few second" incident she said no and it ended. That's how it is supposed to happen is it not?

Or are men rapists before she even says no now? Even when she admits to flirting. It's a misunderstanding. It's getting to the point where a man can't make an advance anymore.

And yes he probably does watch too much porn lol.

who doesn't watch porn, you gotta keep the shaft lubricated man.

TonightYou · Aug 25, 2014

Pass it Around said:
They may make your blood boil but they also throw innocent men into situations that are uncalled for. I have pushed girls off me because I know I don't want to end up with a crazy bitch next to me and they end up telling their friends some crazy ass stories about random shit that never happened.

All because I wouldn't bone her...

not all guys are actually guilty but the ones who are need to get dragged behind a racecar.

I think we've all known crazy women, hell dudes too (shit on Saturday night some dude exited his car because he thought I cut him off, started filming him and had 911 already typed in the phone, who the fuck acts like that?)

The court can sort it out and come to conclusion what are facts. I just see it often as victim blaming and ignoring the fact this shit happens to women, all the time. I've seen dudes get grabby or ignore a woman who clearly and politely states she isn't interested (then of course she's a stupid bitch, or some other misogynistic term) These dudes are douche bags and far too common.

natro.hydro · Aug 25, 2014

K but the charge isnt rape it is sexual battery... which is a little extreme. But I am not 100% on the sex crime laws and what he should be charged with.

TonightYou · Aug 25, 2014

Mr.Head said:
The fact is she said no and he stopped, it says as much in the police report. This was a "few second" incident she said no and it ended. That's how it is supposed to happen is it not?

Or are men rapists before she even says no now? Even when she admits to flirting. It's a misunderstanding. It's getting to the point where a man can't make an advance anymore.

And yes he probably does watch too much porn lol.

Not trying to be flippant with you, but I doubt "making an advance" is grabbing a handful of breast to a woman you don't know is in your repertoire.

I worked at a hotel for two years. Shit, a sex worker shot a John for nonpayment and this was in a lily white neighborhood. You were always told above all else to be respectful and polite to all guests, even when they were assholes. I had a guest try to get me to stay in his room and drink (mind you I was underage and serving alcohol underage at the time but I didn't care as I liked working) and do blow with him. Hell to the no, but I knew better than report him as he was a business guest who was frequently in town.

TonightYou · Aug 25, 2014

natro.hydro said:
K but the charge isnt rape it is sexual battery... which is a little extreme. But I am not 100% on the sex crime laws and what he should be charged with.

Assault is the threat of violence, battery is the action.

That's the simple definition so sexual battery sounds appropriate. I am not familiar with what degree.

Mr.Head · Aug 25, 2014

http://www.cagepotato.com/christy-mack-releases-gruesome-photosdetails-about-war-machine-assault/

http://www.cagepotato.com/wecufc-veteran-josh-grispi-charged-for-horrific-assault-against-wife/

http://www.cagepotato.com/every-marriage-has-its-problems-despite-horrific-assault-kaitlyn-grispi-is-standing-by-her-man/

I post these stories to ask what the fuck the hotel was thinking sending a woman into an MMA fighters room when these are the headlines the last 2 weeks. These are truly horrific, and both these fucking cock suckers need to die.

Tonight it goes both ways. I've been called gay cause I wouldn't fuck a fat chick. You're acting like men don't suffer the same shit. Maybe not as common, but I'd argue it gets reported even less.

This stuff needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis, all to often to evil man is always wrong though, and if the tables are reversed he wanted it.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2014/08/19-men-share-stories-of-being-raped-by-a-woman-nsfw/

st0wandgrow · Aug 25, 2014

Mr.Head said:
The fact is she said no and he stopped, it says as much in the police report. This was a "few second" incident she said no and it ended. That's how it is supposed to happen is it not?

Or are men rapists before she even says no now? Even when she admits to flirting. It's a misunderstanding. It's getting to the point where a man can't make an advance anymore.

And yes he probably does watch too much porn lol.

THIS^

I'm not trying to justify scum bags. Any man that rapes a woman, or sexually forces himself on her when she says no deserves to have the book thrown at them. But this?? It sounds like he mistook her "you're cute too" comment for an advance, and then IMMEDIATELY stopped when she said no. Will she be scared for life now due to this? Give me a break.

I have two daughters. I hope that this type of encounter is the worst thing that ever happens to them. There are actual sexual predators out there that attack women every day. This was not that. Apples and oranges.

TonightYou · Aug 25, 2014

Mr.Head said:
http://www.cagepotato.com/christy-mack-releases-gruesome-photosdetails-about-war-machine-assault/

http://www.cagepotato.com/wecufc-veteran-josh-grispi-charged-for-horrific-assault-against-wife/

http://www.cagepotato.com/every-marriage-has-its-problems-despite-horrific-assault-kaitlyn-grispi-is-standing-by-her-man/

I post these stories to ask what the fuck the hotel was thinking sending a woman into an MMA fighters room when these are the headlines the last 2 weeks. These are truly horrific, and both these fucking cock suckers need to die.

Tonight it goes both ways. I've been called gay cause I wouldn't fuck a fat chick. You're acting like men don't suffer the same shit. Maybe not as common, but I'd argue it gets reported even less.

This stuff needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis, all to often to evil man is always wrong though, and if the tables are reversed he wanted it.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/lorenzo-jensen-iii/2014/08/19-men-share-stories-of-being-raped-by-a-woman-nsfw/

Shit I had a girl say the same thing about me when we broke up. That I was gay for not being providing dick on demand. Sorry, but I got better things to do than lie around all day while you get stoned and have sex with your dirty hippy ass. No skin off my chin, being called gay isn't an insult to me, as I know I'm not. I've always had friends and family members who are gay and lesbian, so I've never thought of it as a bad thing. I'm not insecure about who I am.

Mr.Head · Aug 25, 2014

TonightYou said:
Shit I had a girl say the same thing about me when we broke up. That I was gay for not being providing dick on demand. Sorry, but I got better things to do than lie around all day while you get stoned and have sex with your dirty hippy ass. No skin off my chin, being called gay isn't an insult to me, as I know I'm not. I've always had friends and family members who are gay and lesbian, so I've never thought of it as a bad thing. I'm not insecure about who I am.

I think I was 18 at the time young and stupid it made me mad, questioning someones sexual orientation was quite the insult where I grew up. I was called gay the entire night because I wouldn't fuck a fat 16 year old, it was a house party there were like 20 people who would call me fag all night until I left. Who wants to fuck in a house full of people? I mean if she was hot I woulda been down, but the ugly ones are supposed to be a secret lol.

I'm not nearly as ignorant anymore thankfully. I'm more open to ugly chicks

Pass it Around · Aug 25, 2014

TonightYou said:
Shit I had a girl say the same thing about me when we broke up. That I was gay for not being providing dick on demand. Sorry, but I got better things to do than lie around all day while you get stoned and have sex with your dirty hippy ass. No skin off my chin, being called gay isn't an insult to me, as I know I'm not. I've always had friends and family members who are gay and lesbian, so I've never thought of it as a bad thing. I'm not insecure about who I am.

Being called gay is the smallest problem that can happen, I have had a group of dudes come to jump me and then end up partying with me instead because they realized I had done nothing wrong.

Violence is not my thing and neither is trash talking (women only, i love to joke with the boys) or choking any of that shit. Girls can be just as bad as guys but it is worse when people believe what is not true

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