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Pros/Cons of legalization of marijuana hitting ballots in 2018?

Discussion in 'Michigan Patients' started by HydroRed, Nov 16, 2017.

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Legalization of Marijuana in MI

  1. I'm all for it!

  2. No way!

  3. Sounds good on paper but....

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    MichiganMedGrower

    MichiganMedGrower Well-Known Member


    No immediate money in rape trials.
     
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    Tyleb173rd

    Tyleb173rd Well-Known Member

    Word
     
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    HydroRed

    HydroRed Well-Known Member

    Exactly. Its all just a money grab. They aint trying to help with statistics and casualties, they just want your money -thats it. Its like the seatbelt law used to be a secondary offence. Now you can be pulled over just for the seatbelt alone. It was promised that the new seatbelt law would reduce insurance premiums and greatly reduce fatalities in automotive accidents.
    A: my insurance NEVER went down but quite the opposite.
    B: I no longer have the choice or right to endanger my own personal safety and only my personal safety.
    C: there has been no discernible reduction of casualties in motor vehicle accidents related to the law change.
    D: a guy on a motorcycle isnt required by law to wear a helmet, but its the law that I gotta strap into the cab of my enclosed vehicle? :dunce:

    What next....condom laws?
     
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    ANC

    ANC Well-Known Member

    Shit sucks, I smoke at least 3 ounces a month.
     
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    deno

    deno Well-Known Member

    I find it funny people are worried what legal growers are gonna put on their plants. You think black market bud is any better? We all grow our own, so won't be buying it anyhow. Legalization is always good. Nothing is perfect, so stop acting like its got to be or you won't accept it.
     
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    pergamum362

    pergamum362 Well-Known Member

    Explain how legalization is always good? I have a differing opinion and think legalization of ANY thing previously prohibited is only truly good if it is left to the people and free market-which we never see anymore. Government ran programs never do well, check insurance health and auto and just about any other industry. Small businesses are almost extinct but there is a walgreens or cvs on every corner..and people wonder what happened to the middle class.
     
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    pergamum362

    pergamum362 Well-Known Member

    Then ..there is the case of fines,fees and infractions on a "legal" substance. Up until what is it..the 3rd one? Yay legal!!!
     
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    Stiickygreen

    Stiickygreen Well-Known Member

    Legal to >grow< and >legal to sell< are 2 completely different and often intertwined topics when it comes to "legalization". Anyone who thinks that the Gov't is gonna OK (legalize) your grow and your tax- free sales and untracked income without ANY regulation whatsoever is living a fantasy.

    Pros....less worry overall if you are just a personal grower. Here in CO there are such HUGE grows that us little guys don't even register on the scale...unless, that is, someone forgets that sales aren't allowed...uhhhummm. Again...the problem arises when the people who have been selling think that legalization is merely an OK for them to come here and do what they did back home. (grow and sell) If you grow for personal use...no one is coming and no one truly cares. You can keep all you grow here under your count. That's a HUGE improvement over the past.

    Cons.... Falling prices/profits for those who are still confused as to what "legal" weed truly means. (sell for far less with all of the same RISK)

    You can still be fired from your job for having THC in your system.

    And DON'T believe their lies that it will be "just like alcohol". You still have to sit by that drunk guy at the sporting event/your kids school play...but as long as YOU aren't smoking in public or high at work...their drunkenness is OK and that joint you have in your pocket still can't be lit up.. Yup...same shit.

    People are gonna move to your state and fuck it up for those who have true roots there. CO laws HAVE CHANGED MANY TIMES....all because of the influx of folks rushing here to cash in who think that "legal" means >blow it up< and sell all you can. We are about to see more changes.... and eventually...if people don't calm down and get happy with personal grows without personal sales...we're gonna be in jeopardy of losing our INDIVIDUAL GROW RIGHTS.

    If you don't blaze while driving...you run very little risk of having ANY negative experiences with the po-po here. They sure aren't swabbing/making folks pee simply for being on the road. You have to be a loser/chucklehead/idiot pushing the limits to have any problems here. They can't even call the dogs in anymore or search for smells.....unless that is...it's the smell of BURNING product. Everyone i know smokes. No one I know has ever had a problem with "DUID"...mainly...because there's no reason to blaze in the car anymore (unless you are in HS/young and stupid)

    Grow for yourself and act like an adult and nobody is gonna give you a second look here.
     
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    Tyleb173rd

    Tyleb173rd Well-Known Member

    Well said , good brother.
     
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    Bigtacofarmer

    Bigtacofarmer Well-Known Member

    Well said. Yes.

    There need to be a legal way for home growers to sell and be taxed. Its the same plant.

    If your electric is safe. If your product is safe. If you are willing to hop thru minimal hoops to pay taxes. There should be no crime commited.

    Beekeepers are not required to put a nutrition label on honey until after they sell $50000 in one year. No logical reason every person selling needs to have seed to sale security. Its just crap.

    Maybe have everyone take plant to a testing facility and have it registered safe and pay taxed. Then carry on without the bullshit regulations.
     
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    Bigtacofarmer

    Bigtacofarmer Well-Known Member

    The effort to keep anyone small out of the business is in my opinion an effort on the part of large coorperation to rob the people of michigan of actually gaining any financial benefit.
     
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    ProdigalSun

    ProdigalSun Well-Known Member

    Yep I agree, these people are going to try to regulate something they know nothing about. Just exactly like gun control they don't know what the hell they're doing. they see something they're scared of it they just ban or regulate it. Oh no it's black, it's scary. sounds likeoh no it's green, 12 plants, 10 rounds, it just goes on and on.
     
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    ProdigalSun

    ProdigalSun Well-Known Member

    Without reasonable suspicion or probable cause they cannot administer the test. If they do, and that's without your permission,the officer involved is liable for a deprivation of rights under color of law suit. This results in a felony charge against a police officer the loss of a job, prison time, the loss of his firearms rights for life, which is a bad problem for a cop. They have use the law to make us afraid every day that we just might go to prison for something stupid. Let's make them afraid every day that they are going to prison for something stupid like the constitution. Fight fire with fire. Put cops in prison any chance you get. it's a goal of mine
     
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    ProdigalSun

    ProdigalSun Well-Known Member

    They en ... force seatbelt laws and speed limits in the name of safety, yet the helmet law was repealed. Can't have it both ways
     
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    HydroRed

    HydroRed Well-Known Member

    Im pretty sure just like the breathalyzer test, refusal is admission of guilt and punishable. I dont think it would be too far off for someone to have smoked a J 3 hours prior to driving, but still have an odor of burnt weed to a non smoking officer. That driver gets pulled over for not using his signal and now has to deliver a saliva swab to an officer because he "suspects" you are high because you forgot to use your signal, and you still have an odor of weed from when you smoked 3 hours ago at home. Marijuana doesnt leave the system as rapidly as alcohol so even with their saliva swab tests, how does the test prove accurately that you are "currently" under the influence of marijuana?
     
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    ProdigalSun

    ProdigalSun Well-Known Member

    No. Asserting your fourth amendment rights is not an admission of anything. Deprivation of those rights is a federal level felony. Putting police officers in prison for violating those rights is the only legal recourse we have.link is in the next post. use it. bookmark it. give it to your lawyer. Give it to your friends
     
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    ProdigalSun

    ProdigalSun Well-Known Member

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    Stiickygreen

    Stiickygreen Well-Known Member

    Ah...but they CAN ...and DO...have it both ways with "weed". There are no rules....for them.....in this game. If there are, they will likely just change them arbitrarily.

    "In the name of safety" is a key phrase in all of this that each and every one of you in a legal or up and coming legal state should take note of. Here in CO they are using "Public Safety" as an in to change the plant count limits in many towns/jurisDICKtions. If the Public is "in danger" from the bad pot growers....they just decide to change the law...no vote....and because it IS WEED....they get away with it and hear no public backlash...like they would...say...if they told folks they could only own one gun. We are seeing change again come Jan 1. What WAS....and what was VOTED on as plant counts....basically...an INDIVIDUAL right (6 per adult)...has now become a "per residence" right with a limit of 12...no matter how many adults live there.

    Due to extreme Federal pressure...CO law doesn't permit individual sales....and the plant limits are being scaled back (again) because so much product is (still) hitting the streets and the FEDS know it. California has an allowance for individual sales to the dispos...but I give it less than 6 months before they see the same pressures and change the laws AFTER THE VOTE.

    In a nutshell....what you see.... ISN'T what you'll get in this game. Get ready for constant change.....wherever you are.....and get ready to watch your STATE become the greediest little pot dealer you've ever known. Again...anyone who thinks the powers-that-be will sit back and watch YOU sell from your basement...no regs....no checks or balances/etc/etc/etc/....and get rich just hasn't been paying attention. The same goes for the guys who spout "My TOP SHELF will always command a price...like Craft Beer/etc". who have yet to experience their STATE selling pot on the corner...openly. Like Wal Mart....most folks want "easy" at all costs. They KNOW shopping there is putting all the little guys (aka ...the Top Shelf dude) out of business but all they truly care about is getting something NOW for a >perceived< cheaper price. That same thing is happening here with weed. Too many shops...too much pot....no room for you/me. Start wrapping your head around it all now.....cus it IS gonna change. If you have a market...you'd better enjoy it while you can 'cus those easy days of weighing it up and slinging it out......and not working another job... are coming to an end. (just the drop in price is gonna take most folks out)

    As far as refusing roadsides.... like alcohol...you can do it...but it's an automatic loss of your license for a year here in CO to exercise such a right. If you do this...all you are doing is making sure you will have many, many extra hoops (and costs) to jump through to reinstate your license when they finally decide to allow you to have a license again. It's kinda like telling them "Go away" when they are pounding at your door with a warrant. Sorry...going against the law doesn't work for you....it works against you. Always has. Always will. Been there, done that.
     
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    ProdigalSun

    ProdigalSun Well-Known Member

    Oh I absolutely agree with everything that you said! I'm just trying to show people how to stop it. Let an officer do prison time and they will realize that this isn't a game and we aren't playing.
     
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    Bigtacofarmer

    Bigtacofarmer Well-Known Member


    Officers do not do prison time for murdering unarmed citizens. They rarely even lose their job. In fact it happens so often people have seen enough police murders on you tube they are numb to it until it happens to a loved one.

    So even though I have not read your link yet I highly doubt it contains instructions for locking up cops.

    Honestly the only time I remember hearing about cops doing prison time its is for killing another cop or some fucked up pedi shit.
     
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