Proof led lights work 2x2 tent Skush

No... It's because we keep seeing noobs spend money on panels that we have never seen good results from.. The reason nobody gets results from them is because they don't put out enough light for the electricity used. Simple as that.

Questions like "Do leds really work" are extremely misleading, and cause noobs to waste a ton of money and time.

I'm with sunni. I respect both of those in the argument but when did it turn into Cock fighting? Positivity backed his perspective with reasoning and at that point it should have been, "o, well now I know...thanks" but it turned into your an idiot for thinking that?

No.... you don't (or shouldn't) bash on someone that believes in a different god than you, you come to an understanding from reading their version of the bible and realize o...that God almost did the exact same thing as mine. Okay... (died, buried for so and so days, rose, etc)

Not all religious now but was raised that way. Just thought it was a good comparison.

churchhaze said:

No... It's because we keep seeing noobs spend money on panels that we have never seen good results from.. The reason nobody gets results from them is because they don't put out enough light for the electricity used. Simple as that.

Questions like "Do leds really work" are extremely misleading, and cause noobs to waste a ton of money and time.

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eh i dont think he'll be responding to you anymore i asked him to stop3 times, he didnt wanna listen bye bye

please dont quote them, just report them, so i can clean up quicker

Sorry...i wanted to make sure i save every post before deletion.

also sorry for the drama...

Positivity said:

Sorry...i wanted to make sure i save every post before deletion.

also sorry for the drama...

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not really your fault someone went off the deep end.

Cmon u guys. Every thread i see people arguing. Instead of sharing knowledge.
Led are ideal for small grows that dont require a/c and the fact is the led directs all of it "LIGHT POWER" down towards the plant. so watt for watt the led wins.
BUT is the cost really worth it? It is if ur doing small growtents cause less venting. They are pretty stealth but still make noise like a computer.

Btw LED & Coco go hand in hand due to the fact its hard to over water and wont dry as quik

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Cmon u guys. Every thread i see people arguing. Instead of sharing knowledge.
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No, you see people promote blatantly wrong info and see them getting called out....that isn't arguing per se.....

All leds are not created equal, but if you want to find out, just look for the radiometric data, that's it....That is the best comparison.....light is light.

Led's that are 20% efficient, is not a situation where "watt for watt the led wins"...that is the cause of so many arguments...That statement right there, which is patently false, sorry.....

Glad you are getting results .... but STOP adding fuel to the fire, .....your statements don't reflect that, unfortunately.

Abiqua said:

No, you see people promote blatantly wrong info and see them getting called out....that isn't arguing per se.....

All leds are not created equal, but if you want to find out, just look for the radiometric data, that's it....That is the best comparison.....light is light.

Led's that are 20% efficient, is not a situation where "watt for watt the led wins"...that is the cause of so many arguments...That statement right there, which is patently false, sorry.....

Glad you are getting results.... but STOP adding fuel to the fire, if that is the case.....your statements don't reflect that, unfortunately.

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im talking about volts x amps = watts. Not what they claim to be. Light is light ur right. But why is a mh light not as bright as a hps? When drawing same amount of power?
Id love to see ur LED grow

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im talking about volts x amps = watts. Not what they claim to be. Light is light ur right. But why is a mh light not as bright as a hps? When drawing same amount of power?

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Not as bright looking? or not as bright in actual light [photon] output...Difference in efficiency, difference in efficiency of spectrums, since they are radically different spectrums to achieve nearly identical radiometric output....

and what lamps are we comparing? what wattage, what brand, what ballast, its not quite that easy to make a comparison...

Id love to see ur LED grow

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search for me in the barely 100 watt club

I think led's work, my vote is for efficient white light producing Led's and high efficiency drivers...tough combo to beat whether you have 100 watts or 1000+ watts

today........................last week

Hps kicks out about a 1/3rd more lumen than MH. bulbs and ballast are inrelavent
So maybe the LED does more than hps?

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Hps kicks out about a 1/3rd more lumen than MH. bulbs and ballast are inrelavent
So maybe the LED does more than hps?

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Lumens do not reveal the actual radiometric output....that is the difference....regardles the fixture, bulb ,etc.

Lumens are a photometric measure and what you are seeing measured at least around here is radiometric when dealing with umol/s and PPFD for instance...that is the number you should be concentrating on regardless of the lighting source, that is the meaning behind, light is light.....

So you need to understand the diff between photo/ radio.....

Im just saying everything seems to get hyped up and IMO leds work for ME.
Im sure i didnt buy some alien led light that is twice as bright as yours. I bought mine off amazon where u can buy the same light.
I got the most average led and just sharing my led grow. Im not trying to argue

in fact, if it weren't for us Europeans, they're would be NO you anyway, tst. no respect for your overseas relations. lol.

So far none of my cobs have burned out because they aren't overdriven, have adequate cooling, and a good thermal interface.

absolutely agree mr smiley. good for you bro. LEDs are cheap now and they work just fine. for some reason that fact annoys others. dunno why.

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Im just saying everything seems to get hyped up and IMO leds work for ME.
Im sure i didnt buy some alien led light that is twice as bright as yours. I bought mine off amazon where u can buy the same light.
I got the most average led and just sharing my led grow. Im not trying to argue

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but....thats not proof, thats an anecdote.....

Now proving that your LED, watt for watt is pushing similar HID intensity or greater.....now that is PROOF.....

Glad you liking Led's, but there is at least one of you a week, missing the entire point.....


This is usually what it will boil down to..........and how the scenario's will play out.....

Go google the diff between photometric / radiometric

Ask your LED company about the amount of power radiating from their particular Led's and ask them to provide info

They can't provide info.....well then do you know they are so good....

Because they grow really well, even though I have grown only a few times....but they were kind of expensive...

Ok, found out my LED fixture has the same efficiency as a CFL but cost me 5x the price......

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Hps kicks out about a 1/3rd more lumen than MH. bulbs and ballast are inrelavent
So maybe the LED does more than hps?

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Lumens are not a unit of radiometric output. It's radiometric output weighted against the luminous curve. Radiometric output is measured in watts and umol/s.

When 2 light sources have the same spectral distribution (like 2 HPS lamps), you can compare the output by which puts out the most lumens, but if you're comparing light sources of different spectral distribution, lumens doesn't exactly tell you what you think it does.