Pro Grow Induction Grow Coming

Atarijedi

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Induction lighting is the almost the same as your standard Fluorescent or CFL, the only difference is that instead of exciting the gases with an electrode inside the bulb, as with Fluoro/CFL, you are inducing eddy currents from outside the bulb by winding a coil around it, or part of it.

This technology is still exciting the gases, which emit an electron, that electron hits the phosphorous coating on the inside of the bulb, the composition of the coating determines colour/temperature, the excited phosphor then emits a photon. Voila, a light bulb!

Similar technology to a Cathode Ray Tube (CRT) television, or Night-vision goggles, etc...

I can see it being more efficient than a CFL/Fluoro, but I can't see it competing with HIDs like they state. But I could be wrong, and I hope I am.
 

sandtrx

Member
Glad to see you're back! Are you running the HID and HFIND lamps completely separate so we can tell which source does what? It looks like in some of these pictures there is a MH next to your new hood.
in the flower tent, there is a partition between the 1000 hps (ultra sun lamp) and the hfind, so yes, it is completely separate. in the 4x4 veg tent, the 400 watt mh and the 300 watt induction lights are side by side with no barrier, I wanted to do a little experiment. more to come on that later, (i'm trying to see if the plants have a preference, and we are liking what we are seeing so far, but i'll keep quiet about that for now until i can prove with pics.
 

sandtrx

Member
I think I speak for most of us here in saying that we were expecting (and would rather see) a full grow done solely with the induction lamp. Good luck either way, hope you get good results.
tonight is the first night of a full flower cycle between the hps and the pro grow. doing a sole induction grow isn't really possible right now because of lack of space. when i pull the mh out of the veg tent, then a full cycle grow is possible, but until then, you'll have to deal with full flower cycle grows (which is the important one anyway)
 

sandtrx

Member
I'd really much appreciate it if you could give a detailed account on heat generated by induction lights. How does it compare to HPS and anything you are experiencing. Thanks for sharing, good luck
I tried using a temp gun and am not getting a decent read on the induction light, I can hold my hand on the light for about 3-5 seconds. The top of the hood is cool. I'm not having any heating problems at and the hoods are not cooled. I designed the hoods to accept duct flanges just in case, but i'm not needing to cool them at all. I'll try to tape a thermometer to the bulb and get a read that way. The hoods are considerably cooler than either the 400 mh or the 1000 mh (both are cooled).
 

sandtrx

Member
allright everyone,

tonight is the start of the first full flower cycle between the 2 lights. The plants are blue dream, one is about 16 inches and the other is about 15 inches. we are using botanicare and humboldt crystal burst along with snow storm and molasses. all plants get equal feedings.

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Kaptain Kron

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Seriously you think a thermometer taped to that bulb is gonna give u a more accurate read than an IR temp gun? Lol that's hilarious i give up on this thread lol. I wish you the best of luck with your plants but this is no longer a solid enough comparo for me to go off of.

Keep it green man. Hope those plants come out nice
I tried using a temp gun and am not getting a decent read on the induction light, I can hold my hand on the light for about 3-5 seconds. The top of the hood is cool. I'm not having any heating problems at and the hoods are not cooled. I designed the hoods to accept duct flanges just in case, but i'm not needing to cool them at all. I'll try to tape a thermometer to the bulb and get a read that way. The hoods are considerably cooler than either the 400 mh or the 1000 mh (both are cooled).
 

puffenuff

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tonight is the first night of a full flower cycle between the hps and the pro grow. doing a sole induction grow isn't really possible right now because of lack of space. when i pull the mh out of the veg tent, then a full cycle grow is possible, but until then, you'll have to deal with full flower cycle grows (which is the important one anyway)
Ok, I'll still be watching but with considerably less interest now. I am really only interested in seeing how your induction light flowers by itself, with no other lights in the grow space.
 

sandtrx

Member
Ok, I'll still be watching but with considerably less interest now. I am really only interested in seeing how your induction light flowers by itself, with no other lights in the grow space.
The flower induction light is flowering by itself, look at the pictures, there is a partition between the hps and the induction light. The induction plants are not receiving any light from the hps, and the hps plants are not receiving any light from the induction light other than whats bouncing off of the walls.

In the veg tent, like i said before, the lights are intermingling with each other for a good reason, I'll post results of that when i know 100%.
 

sandtrx

Member
Seriously you think a thermometer taped to that bulb is gonna give u a more accurate read than an IR temp gun? Lol that's hilarious i give up on this thread lol. I wish you the best of luck with your plants but this is no longer a solid enough comparo for me to go off of.

Keep it green man. Hope those plants come out nice
Fairly sure that i wrote that i couldn't get a good read with the gun, it was reading 106 and i know its hotter than that. I have a contact temp probe that i use for charging lithium batteries that will provide an accurate reading, and yes, i'll tape it on there.

Giving up on this is fine by me, I'm not here to prove anything, only to post results.
 

Endur0xX

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keep up the good work... the flowering is what matters. I am curious though as to how this light can give even result having a red side and a blue side... it seems to me like one side of the room will veg better while the other flower better, but what do I know!! Is it possible to have this light all red^? thanks
 

albsure

Active Member
Ok everyone, I've been gone for work for awhile, and its kind of disapointing to see bickering bullshit here. I'm going to resume this and I will not engage in dramatic crap with any of you. I will post pictures and details of how things are going and you can judge for yourself. but please, be all growed up here and act accordingly.

Yes the light hoods were fabricated by me, but my gf and i are partners at a fabrication shop (waterjet, fab and powdercoating), so i am more than capable of building a hood. We may start building hoods for Mike for the commercial grow side of his business and also for any retail customers that he needs a hood for.

The plants under the hps have been flowering for 4 weeks. They are a Blue Dream and a Jerry Berry (thats what i was told and unless one of you can identify it as something else, I'll go with it). The plants under the hfind light have been under it for 5 days, (they were started flowering under the hps for another 7 days while I was getting the hoods built and power boxes built, I ran 220 into the room so i could quit pulling juice through the house)they are also a blue dream and a Jerry Berry. We are staging the plants every 2 weeks. Tonight will be the first side by side start of 2 identical plants under the hps and the hfind.

One thing that i have noticed about the hfinds is that the plants are looking bushier, time and pictures will tell. So far i am happy with the lights and what they are doing.

In the veg tent, there is a 400 watt mh next to the hfind. Unless i am imagining things, the plants under the hfind are also looking bushier.

Here come the pics.
The BS just keeps getting piled higher and higher. First a guy with no experience is going to use brand new tech. and a new business owner is going to let him introduce his product to the world. Then he can't use the light for the whole grow and flower cycle, even though it is supposedly designed to do just that and is one of it's main selling features;supposedly. Then he, supposedly, disappears for awhile. Then he is going to go into business with the owner of the light company to build hoods for him; there would be no conflict of interest in reporting on these lights after knowing that now would there? There are so many holes in this story it's amazing. Anyone who believes any of this scam story is unbelievably naive and gullible. This is possibly the clumsiest presentation of a story and a product I've ever seen. The real shame of it is that there could possibly be some merit to this technology but I would never give any credence to the claims made from this story.
It is fun to follow along though because it's like watching a fiction mystery movie; you never know where or when the next boogie
man is going to pop up. Great fun, keep it up.
 

nugluvr1

Member
Hey Albsure I used to have a suit just like that! Cmon man. Give the guy a break. Don't you think it's possible that the technology can work it's just a clumsy presentation? I mean the owner of this company must be selling these to other growers who just don't wish to share their experiences with the world. Here he has someone who promises to build the hood and post his results. Think about this. If it's a proprietary blend then there must be dozens of existing grows that took place to value their merit wouldn't you think?

All the engineering of the phosphors with custom reflectors and hood design that provided the grower with precise umole counts within certain PAR spectrums. That all had to be done. Maybe the mfg thought it's better to sell the lamp to experienced growers and newbies alike and simply let them redesign these lamps with whatever hoods and reflectors they deemed appropriate and not rely on any of the previous work that the mfg had contributed to the overall success of this particular lamp for the market. Afterall why be bothered with providing us a complete fixture when it's really just the lamp that matters?

Steve Jobs had a characteristic that his engineers used to say was Jobs 'reality distortion field'. When engineers experienced in what they were talking about could not get Jobs to see that what was right in front of him or he ignored basic design principals and guidelines then they said it was Job's way of 'bending reality'. Maybe that's what we're seeing here from this mfg who has obviously spent the time and money to develop this custom grow lamp PAR blend but only time will tell. Other then being dead, look how well Jobs did.

I can't get over that suit!
 

sandtrx

Member
The BS just keeps getting piled higher and higher. First a guy with no experience is going to use brand new tech. and a new business owner is going to let him introduce his product to the world. Then he can't use the light for the whole grow and flower cycle, even though it is supposedly designed to do just that and is one of it's main selling features;supposedly. Then he, supposedly, disappears for awhile. Then he is going to go into business with the owner of the light company to build hoods for him; there would be no conflict of interest in reporting on these lights after knowing that now would there? There are so many holes in this story it's amazing. Anyone who believes any of this scam story is unbelievably naive and gullible. This is possibly the clumsiest presentation of a story and a product I've ever seen. The real shame of it is that there could possibly be some merit to this technology but I would never give any credence to the claims made from this story.
It is fun to follow along though because it's like watching a fiction mystery movie; you never know where or when the next boogie
man is going to pop up. Great fun, keep it up.

you really should take the time to read and comprehend what i have written and then read it again. Let me clarify a few things for you (I shouldn't have to waste my time to do this, but i'm getting a little sick of people not reading every word, and coming up with hairbrained crap to spout about just for the sake to bitch about something).

1. (does the numbering help?) We are not the first users of these lights by a long shot, there are several commercial growers using them (veggies along with cannabis). I was bold enough to offer to provide a real time grow journal. If the owner of the lights was not confident in his products, do you think he would want anything to do with this?

2. It was explained (a couple of times) that the first grow would be lopsided (since a grow was in progress under hid lights).

3. It was also explained that last week was the first full flower cycle pitting the hps against the induction lights with 2 blue dreams that are within an inch of each other. Since you did not read, we put the shorter plant under the induction light.

4. (hope the numbers are helping you to keep this straight). I am not going into business with anyone to build hoods. If you had read what i had written (a couple of times), then you would have educated yourself to the fact that my gf and I are partners in an existing cnc waterjet, powdercoating and fabrication facility. I have presented the owner of the lights with a quote to build hoods (since we are a fabrication facility, I saw an opportunity and i presented our talents. It has nothing to do with this grow, or the upcoming results.

5. There are pictures along with written words.

6. I'll post results and pictures when i am damn well good and ready to, If i have other crap to worry about like work, I'll deal with that first, and then when i have time, I'll come on here and take time out of my day to try to post honest reports, along with pictures. I promised a complete grow log, and i will deliver, but it is on my schedule when i decide to post. I have made a committment to the owner of the light company to provide complete grow results (delivered directly to him). I do not owe any of you anything and like i said, when i come on here to post, its at my convenience.

7. What part of "we invested $850 to be a guinea pig for new tech" do you not get? we have more at stake here with these 2 lights than any of you, so keep the bullshit to yourself.

8. There are new clones under the induction light in the veg room, these will be the first clone to harvest plants. This is the first time that i have typed this and please make a mental note of it (please read this again, so i don't have to give myself early arthritis by having to type it again).

9. If you had read what the owner of the lights had written, you would realize that they have been in business for a few years building industrial led and induction lights, and that the grow lights are an offshoot of an existing company.

10. (last one, I don't want you to have to take off your socks and use your toes). We more than welcome constructive criticism, If you have useful things to say, then by all means say it. But if you are just going to ramble on about things that you really do not know (such as not reading what i have written), then keep your mouth shut and sit back down until something usefull try's to come out of your mouth. Then hold your hand up and maybe someone will invite you to speak.

You people can take what you want from the pictures and reports. Most people here that i have encountered seem to be decent people that want to know more, for better or worse about how these lights perform , but its inevitable when you get a crowd this size, that there are going to be a couple of disadvantaged folks that keep jumping up out of the crowd trying to get attention just for looking like an idiot, and there are a couple of you that are doing a pretty amazing job at it.

And above all, take the time to read every last word (maybe a few times so you comprehend everything) until you bother to hit reply and decide to ramble about nothing important.

This only applies to a couple of you (its pretty obvious who)
To the rest of you, thank you for taking the time to read and thank you for being patient enough to go along for the ride.
 

chazbolin

Well-Known Member
maybe the hood and reflectors aren't important enough to the design and how the light makes the canopy would be my guess ? But I'd like to see how these colors mix it up to get to an even canopy coverage without some direction from the manufacturer.
 

chazbolin

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I did find this information on their site: 'We worked with consultants and engineers on this issue, and since HFIND is a gas based technology, we soon learned that we could actually manipulate the color spectrum to some degree, especially the red and blue colors which are so vital to plant growth during the vegetative and flowering stages. We put this new technology in grow tests, and I don't think any of us were surprised when very positive and favorable reports began to come back . Even comments about reduced grow cycle times and improved yields. Additionally, we noted other advantages. The operating life of these HFIND lamps was 100,000 hours, or twice as long as LED and up to 20 times longer than a standard filament based bulb. Fast forward to today, and hundreds of our HFIND grow lamps are in use worldwide. We're even starting to add additional items such as hoods, tents, carbon filters, and hanging kits.'
 

chazbolin

Well-Known Member
So I guess all of their efforts have been with the lamps 'gas based technology' and their stated work with 'consultants and engineers' led to a highly specialized wide spectrum plant lamps that from what I understand of their statement are unique to the their lamp in terms life and spectrums. It would appear they only focused on lamp development and not the mundane and unnecessary aspects of housing and reflector design to accompany the lamps extraordinary performance.
 

chazbolin

Well-Known Member
I do feel that we're going to get positive results though. With 'hundreds of HFIND grow lamps being used worldwide' we'll now have a chance to see the results for the first time thanks to this thread. SUBBED
 

supchaka

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Switching to these lights after vegging and flowering under other lights all the way to 4 weeks is pointless, why not quit wasting time and just finish that other grow under hid like it started because its all irrelevant. Get a fresh start with new plants under these lights from the beginning, with a new journal. This ones already beyond fucked with negativity and other useless shit.
 
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