Newgrowjournal

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Hey all thanks for reading,!
I have recently came across a grower who transplants 1 week before flower. Apparently roots continue to grow in flower and allow plants to grow even more vigorously. I will be using 4, 2 gallon fabric pots in a 2x2x4 tent. Should i get 3 gallon pots as well to transplant 1 week before flower or just go straight to the 3g pot after they fill out their initial .5 gallon pot. Thanks!
 

JayBio420

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I would say go for the largest pot size tht is practical for you. Half gallon to three gallon is perfectly fine transplant. I do 1L > 2.5 gallon square pot transplants
 

GroDank101

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2g to 3g is not worth it IMO. I’d go from .5g to 2g or 3g.
General rule of thumb I go by is about 1 foot of growth per gallon of medium. Obviously this is strain dependent but that’s just what I’ve read.
 

JayBio420

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I would add that you never want to finish a grow wondering if your pot size was a limiting factor. That’s what I mean by going with the largest pot that’s practical.

As for the transplants, as long as they are done in the range of 1:5 or 1:10, if you go 1:20 the seedling will take forever to network the pot... if you transplant needlessly, you can/will stress the plant to some degree; a risk that may not be worth it.
 

Newgrowjournal

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2g to 3g is not worth it IMO. I’d go from .5g to 2g or 3g.
General rule of thumb I go by is about 1 foot of growth per gallon of medium. Obviously this is strain dependent but that’s just what I’ve read.
thanks very much for the reply, although my question is: does transplanting right before flower cause more growth during flower rather than full pot size in veg
 

Newgrowjournal

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2g to 3g is not worth it IMO. I’d go from .5g to 2g or 3g.
General rule of thumb I go by is about 1 foot of growth per gallon of medium. Obviously this is strain dependent but that’s just what I’ve read.
the point of the questions is transplanting right before flower. Does transplanting before flower have any effects or should i just go for final pot during veg, thanks.
 

JayBio420

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the point of the questions is transplanting right before flower. Does transplanting before flower have any effects or should i just go for final pot during veg, thanks.
Transplanting before flower can be a good thing, because cannabis has a vegetative stretch during preflowering, allowing it to consolidate more root network with its hairs. So yes, more soil will help. You have to balance the potential damage to your roots.

Are you asking if you should reach the maximum size before flowering? I would say you would want to be In your final pot for a few weeks of veg. If you veg a long time, you would want to depot to trim off dead roots and open the root ball up a bit.. in my opinion. It’s not black or white, it depends on your pot size, how long the roots have been in their current pot, how along the life cycle you are, how skilled at growing you are and the texture of your soil. Some people 12/12 from seed in solo cups, others transplant in 5x or 10x increments of scale, up to and sometimes including preflowering.
 

Chip Green

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It is my belief that many, many, many, growers will "outveg" their potsize….
I, myself have had spectacular results, with substantial upsizing, then allowing say 10-14 days to get rolling, train, bend ect…. then flip...
Im talking about, a 3gal going into a 25gal, with a 10weeker....Explosive growth during stretch, massive flower development, as the plant never has a chance to become rootbound....If you have the space, I recommend at least one attempt.
Now, all that being said, its not always(almost never) practical for typical home grow areas, to be banging out a 25 gallon pot indoors....and that potsize has its own set of challenges, in comparison to more manageable rhizospherical dimensions.....
 

GroDank101

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I would transplant no more than seedling to half gallon to 3gal although they’re certainly able to be. I favor 3gal to 2gal in this scenario. If the final pot is bigger so be it. Just want the roots to be dense and hold all the soil during the transplant. If it’s spent enough time in a .5gal it should be ready to go into just about any size pot
It depends on how big plants you’re trying to achieve.
The time frame (transplanting right before flower vs vegging in final pot) isn’t going to really make much of a difference as long as your plant is healthy and the roots have maximized the area
 
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Dr. Who

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if you transplant needlessly, you can/will stress the plant to some degree; a risk that may not be worth it.
Hmm, to be real here. To actually "stress" a plant during a transplant. It would have to be a "too early" transplant.
Once the roots of the plant are beginning to "coil" around the bottom of the pot. You'll get no "transplant stress".

In fact I use an old greenhouse trick of transplanting.
You simply let the plant set in the pot till roots are coiling the bottom of the pot.
You then take a growers tool knife and cut the bottom of the un-potted root ball in an X, and up-pot.
I have never had a plant show any "stress" from up potting this way. In fact, you get a faster, stronger new root set.


the point of the questions is transplanting right before flower. Does transplanting before flower have any effects or should i just go for final pot during veg, thanks.
First off, you use fabric pots. I tested those for a maker when he was about to release them.
I don't like them! Not for cannabis growing... Does great for indoor pepper plants (These can live and produce well for over 50 years - depending on the strain)

You see they make the roots form a super tight root ball in the center of the "pot". This leaves that "air pruned" space around the plant that when you water, the root ball creates an "umbrella" effect. It simply makes a good part of your feed, flow right past the root ball and it runs out the bottom and sides.
This wastes nutrient and makes you use more to actually get that root ball damp... In fact, in testing them. I took a plant ready for harvest (10 gallon fabric pot) and gave it my normal watering. I cut down the plant, removed the root ball and cut it in half The center of that root ball was dry!

I find conventional pots to be more effective when using a stepped transplant method (The maker didn't like my report and used none of it down the road...Wonder why? lol).

I go from rooted plugs to Solo cups, to 1 gallons, to 2 gallons, and finally to 5 gallon pots sometimes 7's and this is for long running landrace Sativa's... This last up potting is done before blooming. I up pot, using my chosen bloom soil for the strain being run.
I now allow that to sit in veg for 8-10 days and then she goes into the bloom room.
I'm using water only soils and this allows the roots to begin to establish and through out the bloom they grow into the soil and use the nutrients available at a perfect rate to finish.
Yes this is for organic runs.

Now I do the same thing for synthetic runs but, leave the plant in the 5 gallon for 14 - 16 days for better root establishment...As the roots go into the soil deeper, they do so at a time when I want them to use the now changing nutrient needs of the plant more effectively.

This works very well and keeps my feed use lower while still pushing my plants at a safe rate, producing closer to potentials of the strain.

While you can use the late up pot method with fabric pots. I would say your using less of the available space in the soil and not as effectively as the normal nursery pot supplies..

You want more air (O2) to the roots? Bubble your water in a storage tank before use and learn to feed a metered amount every day . This brings more O2 to the roots and you simply water an amount that carries you to the next day at lights on (my watering time).

Now there are "air pots" that are plastic and have kinda cone shaped holes in them all over the pot. If you don't want to water everyday, and want increased O2 to the roots..
These work better then fabric pots in my book! Many agree with me on that...

Go forth and up pot at the right time!
 
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Skoal

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I try to transplant as little as possible. I start seed in a solo cup and then transplant into 5 gallon fabric pot and that’s it.

If it’s a clone, I start clones in a tray transplant to solo cup and then to 5 gallon.

My plants always end in 5 gallon.
 

xtsho

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Pot size also depends on what you're growing in. Three gallon is fine for growing in coco but could be too small for a soil grow. Root growth is also faster in coco. I've transplanted to larger containers the same day I have put plants into flower. I had roots coming out the bottom and sides in a couple of days. But this is growing in 100% coco.

As for transplanting, I would skip the two gallon and go straight to the three.
 

JayBio420

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Hmm, to be real here. To actually "stress" a plant during a transplant. It would have to be a "too early" transplant.
Once the roots of the plant are beginning to "coil" around the bottom of the pot. You'll get no "transplant stress".

In fact I use an old greenhouse trick of transplanting.
You simply let the plant set in the pot till roots are coiling the bottom of the pot.
You then take a growers tool knife and cut the bottom of the un-potted root ball in an X, and up-pot.
I have never had a plant show any "stress" from up potting this way. In fact, you get a faster, stronger new root set.




First off, you use fabric pots. I tested those for a maker when he was about to release them.
I don't like them! Not for cannabis growing... Does great for indoor pepper plants (These can live and produce well for over 50 years - depending on the strain)

You see they make the roots form a super tight root ball in the center of the "pot". This leaves that "air pruned" space around the plant that when you water, the root ball creates an "umbrella" effect. It simply makes a good part of your feed, flow right past the root ball and it runs out the bottom and sides.
This wastes nutrient and makes you use more to actually get that root ball damp... In fact, in testing them. I took a plant ready for harvest (10 gallon fabric pot) and gave it my normal watering. I cut down the plant, removed the root ball and cut it in half The center of that root ball was dry!

I find conventional pots to be more effective when using a stepped transplant method (The maker didn't like my report and used none of it down the road...Wonder why? lol).

I go from rooted plugs to Solo cups, to 1 gallons, to 2 gallons, and finally to 5 gallon pots sometimes 7's and this is for long running landrace Sativa's... This last up potting is done before blooming. I up pot, using my chosen bloom soil for the strain being run.
I now allow that to sit in veg for 8-10 days and then she goes into the bloom room.
I'm using water only soils and this allows the roots to begin to establish and through out the bloom they grow into the soil and use the nutrients available at a perfect rate to finish.
Yes this is for organic runs.

Now I do the same thing for synthetic runs but, leave the plant in the 5 gallon for 14 - 16 days for better root establishment...As the roots go into the soil deeper, they do so at a time when I want them to use the now changing nutrient needs of the plant more effectively.

This works very well and keeps my feed use lower while still pushing my plants at a safe rate, producing closer to potentials of the strain.

While you can use the late up pot method with fabric pots. I would say your using less of the available space in the soil and not as effectively as the normal nursery pot supplies..

You want more air (O2) to the roots? Bubble your water in a storage tank before use and learn to feed a metered amount every day . This brings more O2 to the roots and you simply water an amount that carries you to the next day at lights on (my watering time).

Now there are "air pots" that are plastic and have kinda cone shaped holes in them all over the pot. If you don't want to water everyday, and want increased O2 to the roots..
These work better then fabric pots in my book! Many agree with me on that...

Go forth and up pot at the right time!
To be “real” here, any transplant stresses roots. They aren’t meant to be dug up, breaking mycorrhizae connections, breaking root hairs, thermal shock and dehydration. Whether you like it or not, there is a degree of stress there. Can it be mitigated to a degree, “sure”. But it exists and that’s pretty obvious to understand, whether or not your plant has a blatant visible reaction to that stress depends. To say it doesn’t exist is ridiculous.

Will someone who isn’t very experienced stress their roots during transplant, “quite probably”.

See, I can be condescending too! (Perhaps notice my first paragraph that you quoted uses words like “can” “May” and “to a degree”, because life isn’t black and white)

I don’t disturb soil without a good need because it’s a living thing with an incredibly complex soil web, which is absolutely disturbed when you remove the plant.
 
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xtsho

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To be “real” here, any transplant stresses roots. They aren’t meant to be dug up, breaking mycorrhizae connections, breaking root hairs, thermal shock and dehydration. Whether you like it or not, there is a degree of stress there. Can it be mitigated to a degree, “sure”. But it exists and that’s pretty obvious to understand, whether or not your plant has a blatant visible reaction to that stress depends.

Will someone who isn’t very experienced stress their roots during transplant, “quite probably”.

See, I can be condescending too!

I don’t disturb soil without a good need because it’s a living thing with an incredibly complex soil web, which is absolutely disturbed when you remove the plant.

I've actually transplanted cannabis with a very tight rootball. I've done the same thing I do when transplanting flowers and broke the roots up on purpose. Even tearing some away and opening up the middle to drape it over a mound of soil. They grew just fine. I've been growing things for decades. I basically treat cannabis like any other plant and they do fine. But I'm also talking about transplanting from smaller nursery pots like 3" x 3" into either the ground or the final pot. One transplant. I don't go through a range of sizes. Others do and seem to grow fine plants. Much of any possible transplant shock is going to be mitigated by having good healthy plants. A healthy plant can go through a lot without slowing down. If a plant is already stressed those issues will be exacerbated by any additional stress.
 

JayBio420

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I've actually transplanted cannabis with a very tight rootball. I've done the same thing I do when transplanting flowers and broke the roots up on purpose. Even tearing some away and opening up the middle to drape it over a mound of soil. They grew just fine. I've been growing things for decades. I basically treat cannabis like any other plant and they do fine. But I'm also talking about transplanting from smaller nursery pots like 3" x 3" into either the ground or the final pot. One transplant. I don't go through a range of sizes. Others do and seem to grow fine plants. Much of any possible transplant shock is going to be mitigated by having good healthy plants. A healthy plant can go through a lot without slowing down. If a plant is already stressed those issues will be exacerbated by any additional stress.
I’m probably miscommunicating, been a tough day for me. I have no issues with transplanting, I don’t avoid it. I enthusiastically rouse the root ball to loosen it, cut off dead roots and that also. I personally prefer transplanting 2-3 times from rooted cube, to first soil to final flower pot generally.
 

Newgrowjournal

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Thanks everyone for the comments! ALTHOUGH the initial question still stands. Does transplanting before flower have any adverse effects/? The grow boss on youtube says for flowering increased light and pot size is necessary and he knows his shit. Iver never tried or heard of transplant before flower before. My next grow to test this out this is what I will be doing:
Growing 4 plants. 2 will be transplanted from 2g to 3g pots right before flower and the other 2 plants will be directly transplanted directly into the 3g in their early vegetative stage. I'm trying to see if transplanting before flower causes plants to grow more vigorously. I am not a new grower by any means, just a mad scientist. Thanks again!
 

Dr. Who

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Thanks everyone for the comments! ALTHOUGH the initial question still stands. Does transplanting before flower have any adverse effects/? The grow boss on youtube says for flowering increased light and pot size is necessary and he knows his shit. Iver never tried or heard of transplant before flower before. My next grow to test this out this is what I will be doing:
Growing 4 plants. 2 will be transplanted from 2g to 3g pots right before flower and the other 2 plants will be directly transplanted directly into the 3g in their early vegetative stage. I'm trying to see if transplanting before flower causes plants to grow more vigorously. I am not a new grower by any means, just a mad scientist. Thanks again!
No
 

Dr. Who

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To be “real” here, any transplant stresses roots. They aren’t meant to be dug up, breaking mycorrhizae connections, breaking root hairs, thermal shock and dehydration. Whether you like it or not, there is a degree of stress there. Can it be mitigated to a degree, “sure”. But it exists and that’s pretty obvious to understand, whether or not your plant has a blatant visible reaction to that stress depends. To say it doesn’t exist is ridiculous.

Will someone who isn’t very experienced stress their roots during transplant, “quite probably”.

See, I can be condescending too! (Perhaps notice my first paragraph that you quoted uses words like “can” “May” and “to a degree”, because life isn’t black and white)

I don’t disturb soil without a good need because it’s a living thing with an incredibly complex soil web, which is absolutely disturbed when you remove the plant.
Picking fly shit out of pepper?

For the most part, done properly and watering when done. You shouldn't "see" any "transplant shock".....Dependent on the root's being established through the whole pot..The 1st watering after transplant, is done with 5ml of Kelp extract per gallon of water......

I don't see any "shock".
I don't get any "lag" in plant growth.
I don't get any droop or loss of turgor pressure......

I have had a plant that was not fully rooted in a solo. Droop after transplanting. This was fully my fault as it was not ready but, being in a hurry and not exactly giving a shit. I did it anyway. It took that plant 5 days to recover.

Moral?

Don't up pot until the root ball has at least started coiling the bottom of the pot.

Peace Jay,,,slow down a bit buddy. Sounds like you had a tough day....
Been there too. :hug:
 
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