please pass on the miracle gro

vh13

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View attachment 1648889not afraid to admit when im an ass or wrong im here to learn, id like advice with out people making me feel like an ass. in that pic its my royal hash. i belive with the m.g. time release and sticking to my normal feed schedule it got a lethal dose of N. i hope it dont die
If you think it was a combination of the pre-nutes and feed you added, then I would think your girl will recover just fine if you hold on adding any nutes for a while. The pre-nutes last about 2-3 months, so once you see a bit of N deficiency (maybe in a month) it should be safe to start manually feeding again.

If you still have problems after you cut off new food, then you might need to re-plant, next time with about 30% perlite mixed in for better drainage.

The key to humus rich, nutrient release soils is to be very careful not to over water.

EDIT: Also, I find MG to be a bit alkaloid for cannabis. Test the runoff when you water, and if necessary use a bit of pH down (I recommend phosphoric acid) mixed with water to get a good pH buffer.
 

boneheadbob

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i dont understand why people gotta be assholes on here, its for learning i never said im pro im learning. some guys on here make me feel like f rui. instead of being cool and tring to help they cut u down. if there such good growers they should be in a good mood all day with all the good weed they have

I went back and reread the thread. Nobody was rude to you. You were the first one to call others names. We just gave our opinions. That is what we do here is share info. You were given good opinions & advice after badmouthing the only product that many can find. We dont all live in the big city.

Smoke a doobie and dont be so uptight and insecure.
 

panhead

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There is lotsa misinformation floating around here,first off Anybody who sells product is a pro grower,regardless of who the customers are.

With that said im a pro grower that fits the definition of a grower who supplies med clubs,i do not flush my plants,i tested flushes vs non flushed with customers not knowing which was which & not a single person could reliably tell a difference so i gave up flushing,if your feeding the plants properly & not excessively there is no benefit from flushing.

Any bud that needs to flush out a bad taste was grown poorly & or overfertilized,plants do not need to look burned to be overfertilized ,only severly over fertilized plants show a burn the rest taste like crap,learn about fertilizers as well as what micro & macro nutes plants need & how to apply each nute at the appropriate time,once you learn exactly how to feed plants you can use the time wasted on flushing to build more bud weight.

Here's another head spinning confession,i do not slow dry nor do i (cure) my product,i use bud dryers that put my product on the shelves 4 days after trimming.

Once again overfertilization by growers who follow manufacturers feed charts has created another time wasting step to the process,dont anybody find it odd that out of everything grown & consumed in the world only mj growers flush & cure their harvest ?

As luck would have it our friends in the mj fertilizer industry just so happen to sell flushing chemicals designed to get rid of the other chemicals they told us to feed our plants at obscene levels as high as 1,500 ppm's.

The main objective of curing pot is to remove chlorophyll beacuse chlorophyll is where the harshness comes from,if grown properly there should be very little chlorophyll left,fertilizers & the compounds that make them up do not dissipate.

Before anybody claims to be a connaseur & that their pallett is sensitive enough to detect minor differences do some googling,read up on how the California wine industry made the worlds best french wine connaseurs look like morons,when all visual stimuli was taken away along with any info allowing any taster to know anything about what they were drinking not one professional wine taster could tell a single difference,same goes for smoke.

Once i was taught that less is more my grows increased in quality,i'd take the pepsi challenge any day with my unflushed & uncured product vs anybodys flushed & slow dried/cured smoke,infact the customers at the co-op i supply take the test for my product daily with zero complaints .

Dont even get me started on soil & the bullshit lies they purport with seudo science as a back up,anybody can ammend standard off the shelf home depot potting soil to be just as effective as anything in the fox farm line up for about $3 for a 40lb bag instead of the $30 fox farm charges.
 

easterbunny

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some ones angree cause he killed his plants which is a shame but i havn't had a problem just a lil bugs here or there which i have spiders so its not a problem
 

TrichomeTrent

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Alot of foods are cured actually, like meat and olives. Curing does remove residual chlorophyll yes but its also the time period that allows cannabinoids to fully mature and actually fully synthesize. For example if you use uncured buds for a tincture and you dont decarboxylize at all you have a tincture that works for medicinal applications but lacks any strong psychoactive effects. Good for some but not for others :) As for the whole wine ordeal : France's grape population was almost wiped out a while back and as much as it pains them to admit it most of their grapes are currently california strains that were donated when disease almost ruined their entire wine industry. At this point if the process used was the same the outcome would be almost identicle. Anyways would like to see your mixture for turning home depot soil into fox farm for 3$/40lbs :) Because this would save me hella money :)
 

panhead

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For the guy asking about a soil recipe,im on a smarf phone that is apparently smarter than me cause im having a bitch of a time learning it,the computer guy who set up our inventory system at the club transfered my files to this blackberry thingy i use now & i still havent figured out how to access files or even pictures,i am gonna get it figured out even if it kills my old ass (insert big smiley face here).

When i figure out how to use this device for more than texting i will dig out the recipe & post it up,its been over 3 years since i gave up soil alltogether in favor of hydroponics so ive forgotten the formula.

We are going to be starting a organic soil grow soon,we have a hippy couple that keeps comming in asking for organics so i need the recipe for myself as well,i'll dig it up & post pretty soon.
 

Vindicated

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Kellogg soil at Home Depot is pretty close in ingredients to FoxFarm and runs about $6 a bag. FoxFarm at my local Hydrostore runs $20 a bag. I grew tomatoes, broccoli, snap peas, straw berries, cannabis, etc. I can't tell the difference between soils anymore, so I always hit the sales and buy whatever is cheaper.

I'll go ahead and give you my soil recipe. It's nothing fancy, but works for me. :)

I use Miracle Grow Seed Starting Potting Mix with 10% Worm Castings for the first month. The MG costs $5, the worm castings cost $10. Once the plants get some size on them I'll transplant them into a bigger container using regular potting soil (MG, Kellogg, Supersoil, or whatever else happens to be on hand). During veg cycle I supply nitrogen to my plants by feeding them Alaska Organic Fish Emulsions (5-1-1). During bloom I'll use whatever is on hand. Last year it was Kellogg Organic Tomato Fertilizer but this year I plan on trying out Alaska Organic MorBloom fertilizer (0-10-10). I seen it for sale at Lowes for $6

Attached is a photo of my White Rhino.

Here's an interesting post from another member on RIU. https://www.rollitup.org/255597-post3.html
 

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Stomata

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When I grew bagseed back in the day before you could get all these fancy schmancy seeds, I used Miracle Gro and never had a problem. It doesn't take someone with a degree in Horticultre to realize that "hey, this dirt has food in it, MAYBE I shouldn't give it anything else...". It did usually burn the living hell out of the seedlings, but they always recovered. I was just too cheap and lazy back then to do it right. But at the end of it all, I was always higher than a muthafucka.

At least with Miracle Gro, the plants did eventually look great. I'm a bit older now and try to stay away from chemicals in my food and smoke so I use my own soil mix. Personally, I had more problems with Ocean Forest than I ever did with anything else. Magnesium deficiency everytime. If this Fox Farm shit is so good, then why do I have to add even more shit to it? Ocean Forest is so expensive because it's foolproof right? Plant (very expensive) seed in Ocean Forest, add water, and get organic weed. Simple right? Isn't that what I'm paying for? A huge rip off if you ask me. Sure the plants will need some extra phosphorus in flower, but I shouldn't be getting magnesium deficiencies 2 weeks in. Maybe it was just the batch I was buying from locally. Who knows. All I know is that I won't get ripped off with that shit anymore.
 

welldiced

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Miracle Gro organic soil and blackstrap molasses, nothing else.............perfect. BM week 3-6 of flowering, awesome combo.
 

panhead

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Mmm... I love that slippery mess. :mrgreen:

EDIT: Oh, woops... I thought we were talking about molasses, not somebody's Granny. :mrgreen:
When i grew in soil molasses was my secret weapon,the plants loved it too.

If you wanna see something pretty cool get a florescent black light ( the tube type )& compare buds that were fed molasses vs budz that were not given any molasses.

You can see a difference.
 

cary schellie

Active Member
fuck miracle grow. You want to add your own nutes. the only way i'd use that garbage is if i flushed the shit out of it Before i even planted with it. You will not beable to properly flush with it. throw it away
thank god it fell like it was me against every single grower
 

cary schellie

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and my plants didnt die they just got the "claw" its my first decent size grow and i tried different types of soils different trimming and topping methods,and nutes to see for myself what works. these m.g. plants will we done in a few weeks ill post results and taste tests
 

kevin

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just got my bean order in and i'm off to the home depot for a few bags of miracle grow potting soil mix. i'll post some pics in about 4 months of what can be done with mg.
 
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