my perpetual attempt

hey hey again. been awhile since ive posted, i get forgetful and distracted.
starting my next project. going to run a 3 mother perpetual harvest. attempting to take 30 clones every 2 weeks from 3 mothers on 2 week intervals. they will then go into 1 gal grow bags in the tent.
genetics:
In House Genetics Slurricane #7 S1 fem ( please no nanners)
ghost genetics bluu waffle
my own Iranian Indica cross

the Iranian as well as the bluu waffle are both currently in flower I'm going to be revegging them both to provide lots of clones, I have about 60 days before I will be cutting any from either of them so I hope that's enough time for a reveg, if not ill run 2 back to back runs of the slurry. ideally, tho id like to run the slurry then the waffle, then the Iranian then the slurry so on and so on.
slurry mom is currently just a bebe, a little seedling, but I have a month before this project really starts.

running 3 tents because I have 3 tents. in the little one will be the clones, in the medium will be 3 mommas and the flower tent is a Gorilla Grow Tent 5x9.
i will be able to tightly fit 180 (lol omylanta my back already) 1-gallon bags into the gorilla. marching 6 rows of 30 down the conveyor belt.
currently, the flower room is running both a hps, and led lights. going to be getting a light mover to just get rid of the led's. i have tried for 3 years to rock led lights. i just cannot get the samne results that i get from hps. i currently have 3 clones going under each spectrum of lighting to see a side-by-side comparison before i made my final decision. the waffle under the hps is huge, and the waffle in between the leds and hps has a lopsided lean to it, the branches on the hps side dwarfing the led side, then one completely under the led only, it's beautiful, until you compare her to EITHER of her sisters. they will 2 maybe 3x her production, the only difference being the lighting they are receiving.
now i know lots of people will argue, the thing is this is MY grow. ik just can't get the height adjusted right with the leds, wasted thousands of dollars on meters and other lights to hit the spectrums and such.. fuck that noise im hps bound again.
i know this is a lot and if anyone has actually made it this far wow thanks, you're the real mvp!
im growing in fox farms soil feeding @megacrop 1 part nutrients.
id like to do hydro but i simply cannot.
im going to probably face some ph issues at some point since im only using 1 g bags, going to amend soil with some lime beforehand to try to correct that.
the soil will then be rinsed flushed thrown back into the soil bins and reused. been doing this for years so again don't try to come at me with your opinion on how I'm doing wrong on this. its what im doing.



the white shit on the medium tent are bleach stains, when we took it out of storage it had some mold starting to form so we sprayed the worst spots with a bleach water spray, the stains are like 3 years old, don't let the outside scare you from what's inside.
have a portable ac unit to keep the tempos maintained in the tent. lights on highs are 80 off temps 63.


then i threw in a fes shots of previous harvests and grows, is not my first time. i make soooo many mistakes and love CONSTRUCTIVE critisism
the pink strain is ffrom ghost genetics was his gojita strain. hoping for another gem with his waffle.

back for week 2, she survived, and got transplanted into a 1 gal pot. got a little droopy from the heavier watering i give em at transplant. i threw in a handful of Azos and Mykos to help her grab hold. it is expired tho so not hoping for much tbh.
Shes working on her 4th node now.

am vegging under an HLG 100 V2
soil is reused fox farms ocean forest. i flushed it a lot till it read 0 ppm on my truncheon
ballin on a super tight budget atm while i wait on a few other plants to finish up. they will help me get new fresh soil to add to the mix.
gonna add the spectrum chart from hlg for the light. keeping it 18ish inches above her canopy.
shes going to need food pretty soon ( soil is nekkid) will be fllowing the mega crop feeding chart basically.
i have a little mixer i throw the dry mix into which blends it nicely.

week 4 dunno how i missed a week but i dunno. o shit today is actually day 1 of week 4 so i think im just messing up my post times, meh ill dial that in too.
not much goin on at this point. she got topped last night 10/15 at the 5th node, szeeing good lateral growth already so looking forward to her throwing off lots of clones.
popped a mango from 710 seeds, going to just bush her out and throw some clones to my friends for the outdoor season this year, she sprouted. might throwq pics of them in here too.
heres a few shots of the slurry

then just cause here are a few of the ladies in flower getting close to their chop
3 ghost genetics bluu waffle, and an Iranian plant from a bro overseas

latest week. nothing new really she went int her 5 gal pot. thats all

Looking forward to seeing what you can pull off! I ran a perpetual SOG for 10+ years, its my favorite way to grow. I don't like growing anymore stem then the plant really needs.

Thundercat said:

Looking forward to seeing what you can pull off! I ran a perpetual SOG for 10+ years, its my favorite way to grow. I don't like growing anymore stem then the plant really needs.

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ive trien a lot of other methods failed till i suceeded, i like changin it up, im honestly getting a little nervous about it tbh. i plan on running one galbags of soil. ive been reading a lot about ph issues in such small containers and the high fertigation rates. has me a wee bit nervous. ANY advice would be hella welcomed bro

Prince Vegeta said:

ive trien a lot of other methods failed till i suceeded, i like changin it up, im honestly getting a little nervous about it tbh. i plan on running one galbags of soil. ive been reading a lot about ph issues in such small containers and the high fertigation rates. has me a wee bit nervous. ANY advice would be hella welcomed bro

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i have no doubts thundercat will give you some solid advice but i also like to give you my 2 shillings. if you are worried about ph issues especially i think you are better off with buying fresh medium everytime instead of washing and reusing your medium. i reuse my medium too because i grow no-till organic in 74l pots and some small beds in small tents and i am mostly coco based in my mix but with peat it will get acidic over time because you are washing away the lime and if you dont have an accurate way to measure you medium ph you’d never know how much to add to compensate. so its just better to start with fresh medium everytime. something cheap in bulk but reliable would work wonders for you.

Prince Vegeta said:

ive trien a lot of other methods failed till i suceeded, i like changin it up, im honestly getting a little nervous about it tbh. i plan on running one galbags of soil. ive been reading a lot about ph issues in such small containers and the high fertigation rates. has me a wee bit nervous. ANY advice would be hella welcomed bro

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I've never done the small pots of soil, but from everything I've read its doable. One of the main things will be keeping it watered every day or maybe multiple times a day in flower. Setting up irrigation might be a good plan. Then either regularly scratching top dressing into the pots, or feeding with a nutrient line to keep the plants healthy. I would probably treat it kinda like coco, and use low ec feedings to prevent build up, and regular runoff to offer nutrients at the right ph as needed.

Personally, I did flood and drain. Single cola clones, every 2-3 weeks in 6 inch pots of hydroton.

crimsonecho said:

i have no doubts thundercat will give you some solid advice but i also like to give you my 2 shillings. if you are worried about ph issues especially i think you are better off with buying fresh medium everytime instead of washing and reusing your medium. i reuse my medium too because i grow no-till organic in 74l pots and some small beds in small tents and i am mostly coco based in my mix but with peat it will get acidic over time because you are washing away the lime and if you dont have an accurate way to measure you medium ph you’d never know how much to add to compensate. so its just better to start with fresh medium everytime. something cheap in bulk but reliable would work wonders for you.

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i was thinking the same thing, but then that eventual price tag gets scary so was going to hella flush some to help fill it out? like for instance 30 gallons of water over a few days time thru 5 gallons of old soil shouild be pretty inert? right? i dunno. isnt a risk im willing to take this run
ive always loved fox farms. but man 40 a bag for me plus a 4 min drive oof. i do like it tho so will be running it again. im planning on filling the 1 gal bags with the fresh FFOF, ( add some lime? read a lot of suggestions about adding some lime for ph?)
i transplant and clone with Azoz and add Mykos into each transplant hole.
damn i ramble..... so clone into solo FFOF cup with dash of azoz, then 2 weeks later into 1 gal grow bag of fresh FFOF soil. then flower for 12 weeks. cause thats what my schedule is based on, a 2 week cycle.

any idea on equally as good soil brands to use that may be cheaper but as effective?

Thundercat said:

I've never done the small pots of soil, but from everything I've read its doable. One of the main things will be keeping it watered every day or maybe multiple times a day in flower. Setting up irrigation might be a good plan. Then either regularly scratching top dressing into the pots, or feeding with a nutrient line to keep the plants healthy. I would probably treat it kinda like coco, and use low ec feedings to prevent build up, and regular runoff to offer nutrients at the right ph as needed.

Personally, I did flood and drain. Single cola clones, every 2-3 weeks in 6 inch pots of hydroton.

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i would llove to do a flood and drain but im nervous about anything with a resevoir.
how would i do that in a tent? i havent bought the soil and am still trying to figure out my drainage. a flood/drain would solve a few issues i see im going to have...
im about to spend some time on your threads bro. may have just made me switch gears lol

Thundercat said:

I've never done the small pots of soil, but from everything I've read its doable. One of the main things will be keeping it watered every day or maybe multiple times a day in flower. Setting up irrigation might be a good plan. Then either regularly scratching top dressing into the pots, or feeding with a nutrient line to keep the plants healthy. I would probably treat it kinda like coco, and use low ec feedings to prevent build up, and regular runoff to offer nutrients at the right ph as needed.

Personally, I did flood and drain. Single cola clones, every 2-3 weeks in 6 inch pots of hydroton.

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actually my feeling from the start was coco would be way better for this setup so if you are gonna treat it like coco what not just go with coco

Prince Vegeta said:

i was thinking the same thing, but then that eventual price tag gets scary so was going to hella flush some to help fill it out? like for instance 30 gallons of water over a few days time thru 5 gallons of old soil shouild be pretty inert? right? i dunno. isnt a risk im willing to take this run
ive always loved fox farms. but man 40 a bag for me plus a 4 min drive oof. i do like it tho so will be running it again. im planning on filling the 1 gal bags with the fresh FFOF, ( add some lime? read a lot of suggestions about adding some lime for ph?)
i transplant and clone with Azoz and add Mykos into each transplant hole.
damn i ramble..... so clone into solo FFOF cup with dash of azoz, then 2 weeks later into 1 gal grow bag of fresh FFOF soil. then flower for 12 weeks. cause thats what my schedule is based on, a 2 week cycle.

any idea on equally as good soil brands to use that may be cheaper but as effective?

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i have never done 1g bags so i cant 100% say something is gonna be the best but why not use coco instead of soil your results will be better than 1g peat or soil. plus you can get coco in bricks, dry. easier to carry and cheaper than bagged soil in most places. worth a look imo.

there is nothing wrong with reusing soil but when you wash it lime washes away too and peat is really acidic so you need to add lime to bring it back up again but how much? without an accurate ph test of your medium its impossible to know and you may just over or underdo and your grow will suffer.

coco with chemical ferts would give you the best results imo in 1g pots.

crimsonecho said:

actually my feeling from the start was coco would be way better for this setup so if you are gonna treat it like coco what not just go with coco


i have never done 1g bags so i cant 100% say something is gonna be the best but why not use coco instead of soil your results will be better than 1g peat or soil. plus you can get coco in bricks, dry. easier to carry and cheaper than bagged soil in most places. worth a look imo.

there is nothing wrong with reusing soil but when you wash it lime washes away too and peat is really acidic so you need to add lime to bring it back up again but how much? without an accurate ph test of your medium its impossible to know and you may just over or underdo and your grow will suffer.

coco with chemical ferts would give you the best results imo in 1g pots.

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the main reason i didnt do the perpetual in coco was honestly because all of my available coco was assigned to a seperate grow, and i just really like the ease and results i got from soil.
i woul dhave to get a lot more cocoa, then strain it, buffer it, rebuffer it. i just dont want to when i can open a few bags of soil,mix up a few galons of feed ph it to 6.5 and walk a way for awhile. with coco i need to fertigate so much more often. it would be time consuming and i am not skilled enough to design the irrigation system i would need to feed them. i know with certainty that my coco would dry out and cause me greater issues than the soil.
otherwise yes i would use coco. i loved it. easy to use not really any issues out of it after a 2x buffer at begining.
i didnt think about washing out the lime. i think ill just avoid the whole flushing and reusing idea and get a compost pile going in the backyard for next year by the vegetable garden.

just a random link to last years grow.

Prince Vegeta said:

the main reason i didnt do the perpetual in coco was honestly because all of my available coco was assigned to a seperate grow, and i just really like the ease and results i got from soil.
i woul dhave to get a lot more cocoa, then strain it, buffer it, rebuffer it. i just dont want to when i can open a few bags of soil,mix up a few galons of feed ph it to 6.5 and walk a way for awhile. with coco i need to fertigate so much more often. it would be time consuming and i am not skilled enough to design the irrigation system i would need to feed them. i know with certainty that my coco would dry out and cause me greater issues than the soil.
otherwise yes i would use coco. i loved it. easy to use not really any issues out of it after a 2x buffer at begining.
i didnt think about washing out the lime. i think ill just avoid the whole flushing and reusing idea and get a compost pile going in the backyard for next year by the vegetable garden.

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i mean 1 gal pots you will need to use ferts no matter what medium you are in but if thats your case have you looked into osmocote i saw some people using those to grow weed somewhere you can google that stuff because that would be a true only water grow probably.

also there was this thing called biotabs i used for a trial run a couple of years back. these are just organic tablets you bury at the pot and go just water on them and i think you just need reamend with those every month or so. they were not cheap but worked fine in small 2g plastic pots for me.

do you wanna do organic? because 1g is just so extremely small for organic.

crimsonecho said:

i mean 1 gal pots you will need to use ferts no matter what medium you are in but if thats your case have you looked into osmocote i saw some people using those to grow weed somewhere you can google that stuff because that would be a true only water grow probably.

also there was this thing called biotabs i used for a trial run a couple of years back. these are just organic tablets you bury at the pot and go just water on them and i think you just need reamend with those every month or so. they were not cheap but worked fine in small 2g plastic pots for me.

do you wanna do organic? because 1g is just so extremely small for organic.

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no i misspoke im feeding them mega crop 1 part. ive used it for a few years with grteat resullts and super ease of use. i just meant that the soil will feed the clones for im guessing 2-maybe 3 weeks before they eat all of the available food. then i start feeding them on a regular schedule. i typically feed nute mix 3 times then water to flush out any built up salts ( i guess with megacrop i dont have to do this? but is what im used to doing and it works to help keep salt buildup) im thinking i will be possibly feeding/watering 2 times per 12 hour light cycle once i get into later flower. but im not sure how quickly the bags will dry out. with them being just 1 gal and not being filled to the top, i know their going to dry quicker than the 3 and 5 gal pots im used to.

biotabs seems interesting ima check it out.

i tried making super soil once, but i messed up the recipe ( im good at that) organics seems a beautiful way to grow
i didnt mean toimply i was trying an organic water only just meaning wouldnt need anything but water for first few weeks. my bad

Prince Vegeta said:

no i misspoke im feeding them mega crop 1 part. ive used it for a few years with grteat resullts and super ease of use. i just meant that the soil will feed the clones for im guessing 2-maybe 3 weeks before they eat all of the available food. then i start feeding them on a regular schedule. i typically feed nute mix 3 times then water to flush out any built up salts ( i guess with megacrop i dont have to do this? but is what im used to doing and it works to help keep salt buildup) im thinking i will be possibly feeding/watering 2 times per 12 hour light cycle once i get into later flower. but im not sure how quickly the bags will dry out. with them being just 1 gal and not being filled to the top, i know their going to dry quicker than the 3 and 5 gal pots im used to.

biotabs seems interesting ima check it out.

i tried making super soil once, but i messed up the recipe ( im good at that) organics seems a beautiful way to grow
i didnt mean toimply i was trying an organic water only just meaning wouldnt need anything but water for first few weeks. my bad

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ok i understand then ofc start a compost bin it would be very beneficial for your grow. an ewc bin is so easy to start and keep indoors and keeping it indoors eliminates all pest problems, just freeze the plant material before tossing it into the bin. and homemade ewc is unbeatable in microbial activity and soil conditioning ability.

now with reusing soil in such manner (washing and adding lime) you at least need an accurate way to measure ph. i’d at least start with a slurry test a week after you add lime to your soil. i am not sure whats available to you where you live and what are the price points for those products but i’ve used plagron biobizz and canna organic soil mixes in the past and had good results with them. so if any of those can be bought cheaper then ff soil, you can also give that a try.

also why not go with plastic pots, i have used fabrics exclusively in the past but after switching to plastics, never looked back. fabrics are just super messy and they dry out way too fast and tbh i haven really noticed and significant advantage of using fabric against plastic. also plastic is reusable for years while fabrics are not so much.

crimsonecho said:

ok i understand then ofc start a compost bin it would be very beneficial for your grow. an ewc bin is so easy to start and keep indoors and keeping it indoors eliminates all pest problems, just freeze the plant material before tossing it into the bin. and homemade ewc is unbeatable in microbial activity and soil conditioning ability.

now with reusing soil in such manner (washing and adding lime) you at least need an accurate way to measure ph. i’d at least start with a slurry test a week after you add lime to your soil. i am not sure whats available to you where you live and what are the price points for those products but i’ve used plagron biobizz and canna organic soil mixes in the past and had good results with them. so if any of those can be bought cheaper then ff soil, you can also give that a try.

also why not go with plastic pots, i have used fabrics exclusively in the past but after switching to plastics, never looked back. fabrics are just super messy and they dry out way too fast and tbh i haven really noticed and significant advantage of using fabric against plastic. also plastic is reusable for years while fabrics are not so much.

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i tried fabric pots a few years ago, was just kinda messy. im using smh i kjnow plasyic grow bags. is what i used my first ever grow like 20 (oman) years ago. only really going with them as space saving. i can fit a lot more 1 gal bags in the area than i can 1 gal plastic pots, unless i got square pots, but that price tag starts to get a little up there, when in complete full blown mode i would be needing about 180 pots. that many bags is under 20 bucks.

rebuild incoming.... thundercat and you others have me rethinking my entire existence ... im taking my tent downafter i harvest the last 3 clones... putting the amare solar bar 8 back up on the tracks and going back to a larger grow space, im going to try to build and put together a table asap to start then build the others as i am able..
going to have the tables here and hopefully churn out some nugs. i keep forgetting im not growing tall monsters and im growing under 2 foot tall plants, ceiling restrictions that i put on myself were preventing me from going much higher, but the amares will go onto the ceiling on tracks i installed.... when i say ive grown a lot of different ways im not joking lol. i love all the different things that can be done its like Pokemon man i gotta try em all....

Prince Vegeta said:

i tried fabric pots a few years ago, was just kinda messy. im using smh i kjnow plasyic grow bags. is what i used my first ever grow like 20 (oman) years ago. only really going with them as space saving. i can fit a lot more 1 gal bags in the area than i can 1 gal plastic pots, unless i got square pots, but that price tag starts to get a little up there, when in complete full blown mode i would be needing about 180 pots. that many bags is under 20 bucks.

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sure but, i definitely mean square pots btw, you buy plastic pots once and use them for years. in the long run imo it makes economical sense and they provide other benefits over fabric pots.