People V. Carruthers -CoA Rules Marijuana Extracts Illegal

tomcatjones

Active Member
The CoA has made ALL extracts illegal. do not count as "usable marijuana" -whether you put it in a capsule or a brownie, wont matter.. has to have plant matter around to count..

http://publicdocs.courts.mi.gov:81/OPINIONS/FINAL/COA/20130711_C309987_37_309987.OPN.PDF

"Our interpretation also does not preclude the medical use of marijuana by ingestion of
edibles; to the contrary, such use is authorized by the MMMA, within the statutory limitations,
provided that the edible is a “mixture or preparation” of “the dried leaves and flowers of the
marihuana plant,” rather than of the more potent THC that is extracted from marijuana resin.
Again, we find that judgment of the drafters of the MMMA, in so defining “usable marihuana,”
to be an appropriate exercise of its duty to define the parameters of legal medical marijuana use"

and..

These principles, and our reading of the MMMA, thus convince us that edibles made with
THC extracted from marijuana resin are not “usable marihuana” under the MMMA. Simply put,
the evidence before this Court indicates that the brownies were not a “mixture or preparation” of
“dried leaves and flowers of the marihuana plant.” MCL 333.26423(k). Therefore, the brownies
were not “usable marihuana” under the MMMA, and none of the weight of the brownies should
have been counted towards the determination of whether defendant possessed over 12.5 ounces
of usable marijuana.




gets worse...

"For example, if in an individual circumstance a particular qualifying patient suffers from a serious or debilitating medical condition (or symptoms thereof) such that treatment or alleviation requires the medical use of marijuana, even in a form comprised of a mixture or preparation of THC extracted from the resin of a marijuana plant (and that thus would not qualify a patient or primary caregiver for section 4 immunity), then the patient and/or his or her primary caregiver may be entitled to assert a section 8 affirmative defense, provided that it is demonstrated that the amount of such marijuana possessed was “not more than was reasonably necessary” for the statutorily recognized purposes (and provided that the other conditions of section 8 are met). This is not to say that establishing a section 8 defense under such circumstances would be an easy task; to the contrary, we suspect that the bar to establishing such a defense under those circumstances indeed would be a high one, and one that would become increasingly higher as the amount and/or potency of the marijuana possessed increases"

oh and this GEM is hidden in there.... "It also provides an essential mechanism for implementing the voters’ desire to continue prosecutions for possession and use of marijuana in excess of that which is permitted for “medical use.” "

"mechanism... for prosecution" WOW

we need everybody's help. time for a lawsuit, a grievance, something, -cannabis oil does wonders for a variety of things, i dont need to preach to you guys. but we need to mobilize an effort to fuck this decision up.
 

buckaroo bonzai

Well-Known Member
yeah so you have clubs all over dtroit...flint....A2selling extracts....candy....tinctures-

but this poor guy gets caught with brownies and hes fuked!



we have a >>>>'fake' law in case any of you still havent figured it out....



us 'low hanging fruit' are the easiest ones to pick off by design-




its the way the lawyers here have designed/steered everyone so they can collect on both sides and maintain the maximum amount of profit for their services
all the while keeping any pt groups from oppposing the box they are building with the legs-

there are many here in michigan helping these oily fuks-



problem is the powers that be and po-po have their hands full now with so many trying to ca$h in and make $off the plant-

if your caught up in anything be ready to take a plea for marijuana instead of any defense for medical mmj[sic]--

their just gathering info (imo) by watching clubs and when they have enough evidence then indictments come-
they will gather and data mine info for years before they act-

same thing they have done in every other state with mmj laws and dispensaries

the bigger dispensaries always get busted and owners/vendors get indicted-
just takes time-

ignorant dispensary owners here in michigan that think they can work against pts and come up with their own solutions that will only benefit them and give them total control for distribution will get a wake up call once they get big enough bank accounts and assets

....none of them are 1000' from schools and churches!
NONE-
.....and ALL of them are suceptible to federal raids

they should have worked with pts/cgs instead of dividing 'us' and 'them' to try and make a profit off of us-

but they are working WITH legislature to co-opt our law and they think they will come out on top with distribution rights.....pffffft!!


yes 'legalize' it....(facetious)
......so the state can step up and change everything with a mandate from legalization that will give them the whole thing back the way they want it and intend....

the only thing corporations need to have access to the markets and put everyone under the bus is for us to legalize it for them-
fuck brownies!
do you know or are you aware of the products and delivery systems for cannabanoids they have ready to market....???


its all a 'dialectic' in case most folks still dont understand-

everything is a setup by design for the dispensaries to come online-and severe regulation with only them being able to sell it and distribute all these different options to medicate with to people

it will be easier to watch the set number of dispensaries than it will be to monitor tens of thousand of 'pts' trying to make mmj a business for themselves-
then its just 'marijuana' laws for all of us--no medical mmj defense-

shit they want to control every aspect of access and distribution....why do you think our law has taken the twists and turns it has to our dismay....

there are folks helping them within our communty-

fake 'lobbyist' groups that have no intention or plan to get pts 'real' rights-

saygoodbye to pts helping pts or anything that remotely resembles that-

the powers that be want to tightly regulate who gets to distribute what ....where ....and how-


i guess no one finds it interesting that there are still clubs all over that uave commercial grows going and selling everything and anything cannabis related but a single pt with brownies has no recourse to defend themselves but to take a plea and spend a lot of $$ to stay out of jail....??



peace from montana--(another 'fake' mmj law state):eyesmoke:
 

Cory and trevor

Well-Known Member
DAMN! just damn. so....to these jokers weed is weed til you put it in anything that isn't a jar or bag? good gawd! the opponents of medical pot say medicine isn't smoked and the courts say it HAS to be smoked to be legal. sound about SNAFU to me!
 

Rrog

Well-Known Member
Didn't they say that a brownie made from loose weed is OK? Maybe I mis-read. I thought they were saying essentially you can't separate a trich from the bud, and can't remove oil from the same.

To be clear, I think this sucks and should be fixed
 

Rrog

Well-Known Member
Huel, this must suck considering your stepping up to the plate with high CBD strains. I'm imagining a lot of your product would be delivered via some extraction. And any material destined for a child would not want the THC activated.
 

tomcatjones

Active Member
the court says if you want to have medibles it must still be with plant material in the final product..... a la high school days...
 

Rrog

Well-Known Member
OK, that's what I figured. So you can eat old school, but no extraction. I thought that was relegated to solvents including Iso and ethanol, and even veg. Glycerin.

Now I'm gathering kief is a no-no.
 

tomcatjones

Active Member
OK, that's what I figured. So you can eat old school, but no extraction. I thought that was relegated to solvents including Iso and ethanol, and even veg. Glycerin.

Now I'm gathering kief is a no-no.

kief and hash are still plant material...??? oh man...now you have my mind reeling.... they fucked us hardcore...
 

buckaroo bonzai

Well-Known Member
the court says if you want to have medibles it must still be with plant material in the final product..... a la high school days...
just make sure you have your 'medibles' decorated with a ""clear"" >>usable<< flower sticking out the top showcasing your chef skills--pour popcorn/shake buds all over it to transport.....pour them off when you get where your going...

--if you make it to where your going you can celebrate and smoke it with your patient:-o

just remember too that the MSP has a 'new' directive from our illustrious AG to confiscate anything mmj related in a vehicle....
--no matter how much paperwork or documentation you have for 'legal'[whatever that is] mmj use-


kief and hash are still plant material...??? oh man...now you have my mind reeling.... they fucked us hardcore...

-->"they" have been 'fucking' us from the beginning.....

what you dont think the recognized 'lobby' group here of ""stakeholders"" is helping ""protect"" patients access rights..??.....the way we voted for them....??


im looking at all my edibles and wax and oil and got this pit in my gut now this is not cool
-wax....oil.....bho(meth lab charge)......none of it IS or ever was ....even tho as michigan voters we voted the language into the law....now they are changing the law ....line by line.....until its the way they want and we are all completely illegal....AGAIN-


unless of course you have a "club" in A2 or ypsi....or any other place where these clubs proliferate and sell all this shit with immpunity-

oh yes it helps to have CPU lawyers representing and willing to protect your efforts-
 

cephalopod

Well-Known Member
This is bullshit, how this program ended up in the hands of LARA is beyond me and then they just start changing the rules with no legaslative process ie. no more reduced application fees? And now this? They bitched an moaned about dispensaries and said no no no, even over the voices of protestors. Now that there is a "provisioning center" bill they all the suddenly see the need for them, bullshit again. So where does extract with plant material fall in the scheme of things. This idea of needing to have plant material present in medicine is ludicrous. Clearly the chlorophyll isn't the medicine it's the cannabinoids, the reason we needed the voter initative in the first place.

Is there room for this to move up to the Supreme Court? Sorry if I missed something, just reading this for the first time and trying take it all in. Stay strong people. I'm with the full legalization initative, where do I sign? Further more, I'm willing to bet they find a way to allow for extracts in THEIR "provisioning centers" lipstick on a PIG.
 

Rrog

Well-Known Member
B I L L

S C H U E T T E


What else is there to understand? He's always running for election. He's part of the last of the old guard. Freaks him out that things are changing. So he digs his size 6 shoe heels into the sand and has cops running 17 directions like puppets.
 

GregS

Well-Known Member
Tuesday's meeting in Lansing is planned to bring people together to work on the issues. Please make the time to attend.
 

cephalopod

Well-Known Member
Tuesday's meeting in Lansing is planned to bring people together to work on the issues. Please make the time to attend.
Is there anyone in the thumb area I could car pool with? I call off from work tonight!
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I see the patriots are getting bloodied up...this is, if not the final, a call to arms.

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