Patient to Patient is illegul!
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jonnynobody
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Gotta say the more I examine the law I have to agree that P2P is legal and I refer you to
333.26428 Defenses.
8. Affirmative Defense and Dismissal for Medical Marihuana. Sec. 8. (a) Except as provided in section 7, a patient and a patient's primary caregiver, if any, may assert the medical purpose for using marihuana as a defense to any prosecution involving marihuana, and this defense shall be presumed valid where the evidence shows that:
(3) The patient and the patient's primary caregiver, if any, were engaged in the acquisition, possession, cultivation, manufacture, use, delivery, transfer, or transportation of marihuana or paraphernalia relating to the use of marihuana to treat or alleviate the patient's serious or debilitating medical condition or symptoms of the patient's serious or debilitating medical condition.
That's pretty plain language there...
BTW, just because somebody is charged with a crime doesn't mean they're guilty. You may want to read up a bit on due process. Charges are dismissed by judges as often as people our found not guilty through jury trials because people are unjustly charged with erroneous crimes.
You have to understand there is a lot of opposition from the far right in this state who hate this law and are resisting change at all cost. It's called bullying plain and simple. They think if they can bully enough people, they can resist the change & will of the people. Our own elected attorney general is against the law that 63% of the voters approved...and he's supposedly a representative of the democratic will of the voters of Michigan.
Every single county in michigan right now is treating the MMMA differently. Places like ann arbor and lansing are flourishing with co-ops and dispensaries yet authorities in oakland county are acting as though the mmma was never passed. It's a political war plain and simple...
333.26428 Defenses.
8. Affirmative Defense and Dismissal for Medical Marihuana. Sec. 8. (a) Except as provided in section 7, a patient and a patient's primary caregiver, if any, may assert the medical purpose for using marihuana as a defense to any prosecution involving marihuana, and this defense shall be presumed valid where the evidence shows that:
(3) The patient and the patient's primary caregiver, if any, were engaged in the acquisition, possession, cultivation, manufacture, use, delivery, transfer, or transportation of marihuana or paraphernalia relating to the use of marihuana to treat or alleviate the patient's serious or debilitating medical condition or symptoms of the patient's serious or debilitating medical condition.
That's pretty plain language there...
BTW, just because somebody is charged with a crime doesn't mean they're guilty. You may want to read up a bit on due process. Charges are dismissed by judges as often as people our found not guilty through jury trials because people are unjustly charged with erroneous crimes.
You have to understand there is a lot of opposition from the far right in this state who hate this law and are resisting change at all cost. It's called bullying plain and simple. They think if they can bully enough people, they can resist the change & will of the people. Our own elected attorney general is against the law that 63% of the voters approved...and he's supposedly a representative of the democratic will of the voters of Michigan.
Every single county in michigan right now is treating the MMMA differently. Places like ann arbor and lansing are flourishing with co-ops and dispensaries yet authorities in oakland county are acting as though the mmma was never passed. It's a political war plain and simple...
give us some links to the news story or BULLSHIT
How do we know you are not a cop trying to scare patients in your area?
It was on the news channel today. I dont know if you can find it but look under alpenanow.com The girl is being held at the alcona jail. I would never try and scare anyone about this, im not surprised the cops do what they want here and get away with it. Everyone around here is well aware of how shady the cops are here its called HUNT- Huron Undercover Narcotics Team.
failed link
Works for me? Try typing it in?
Or try this maybe. www.wbkb11.com, then click protesters in harrisville.
Or try this maybe. www.wbkb11.com, then click protesters in harrisville.
Wouldn't that be considerd "entrapment". I think that would be illigal for a cop to do? Although reality is strange.
ismokealotofpot
New Member
Cops are getting medical mj cards????? I don't have a problem with them getting a card, but to bust people! That does sound like entrapment. As far as i can tell if the seller had a card and the cop had a card then its a legal transaction. perhaps the seller did not check the cops id or drivers license.. There is not a picture on a medical card so it would be up to the seller to verify.
I really doing know honestly? Did you watch that link I posted? The girl is being held in jail for selling patient to patient. I think they need to make laws not gray areas for people to guess whats legal. What I heard the cops are doing is going to these dr.s that let just about anyone get there cards. And when they get them busting patient to patient deals. In Alcona Michigan the prosicuter said it is illegal for people with there cards to do the patient to patient transaction. Watch that link guys if you think im kidding? Scary shit, kinda makes me worried in a way..... If I buy it am I going to get in trouble? Or if they sell it? I just dont know? Just stay out of Alcona County.
as a patient you are allowed to obtain your medicine anyway you know how. It can not be held against you and will not hold up in court, read the law.
Timmahh
Well-Known Member
its only entrapment if their is a crime. As long as the Pt was in Compliance with their limits, they are legal, thus no crime is present.
so its a double edge for the cops and law enformcement really. shame on them.
if they are falsifying information, to illegallly obtain MMJ cards, they are breaking the law! plain and simple.
if they are Making their own fake MMJ cards, the are breaking the law plain and simple.
if they are then using these fake, or illegally gotten card to make a pt to pt transfer they are breaking the law.
now, heres where it may get sticky. if when making a pt to pt, they find the donator of the meds, is out of compliance with the law, ie, has 5 oz on hand, when 2.5 is the limit as this perticular pt is his own cg, and has NO assigned Pts. thus being over the limit, the dontator of meds is ILLEGAL, thus the cop can do his, and i use this term EXTREMELY LOOSELY, "Duty".
but even then, it would be illegal in 2 ways if said officer was "On Duty". one, he would be perfroming and entrapment scenario, or waisting public tax dollars if he just happened to stop by, to get some med for his personal off duty use.
2ndly, Local Municipalities in the STATE of Michigan, need to remember, they are IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN, So STATE LAWS APPLY TO THEM as well, as EVERY OTHER COUNTY in the State.
State Employed Judges, PAs and other governmental authoratative posistions, such as the AT, need to remember, THEY WORK FOR THE STATE OF MICHIGAN, NOT THE United Stated Federal Government. Michigan is a WILLING Part of the US Fed Government, So State Laws Trump Federal Laws, which is how our founding fathers fully intended FEDERAL Government to be.
so its a double edge for the cops and law enformcement really. shame on them.
if they are falsifying information, to illegallly obtain MMJ cards, they are breaking the law! plain and simple.
if they are Making their own fake MMJ cards, the are breaking the law plain and simple.
if they are then using these fake, or illegally gotten card to make a pt to pt transfer they are breaking the law.
now, heres where it may get sticky. if when making a pt to pt, they find the donator of the meds, is out of compliance with the law, ie, has 5 oz on hand, when 2.5 is the limit as this perticular pt is his own cg, and has NO assigned Pts. thus being over the limit, the dontator of meds is ILLEGAL, thus the cop can do his, and i use this term EXTREMELY LOOSELY, "Duty".
but even then, it would be illegal in 2 ways if said officer was "On Duty". one, he would be perfroming and entrapment scenario, or waisting public tax dollars if he just happened to stop by, to get some med for his personal off duty use.
2ndly, Local Municipalities in the STATE of Michigan, need to remember, they are IN THE STATE OF MICHIGAN, So STATE LAWS APPLY TO THEM as well, as EVERY OTHER COUNTY in the State.
State Employed Judges, PAs and other governmental authoratative posistions, such as the AT, need to remember, THEY WORK FOR THE STATE OF MICHIGAN, NOT THE United Stated Federal Government. Michigan is a WILLING Part of the US Fed Government, So State Laws Trump Federal Laws, which is how our founding fathers fully intended FEDERAL Government to be.
tomcatjones
Active Member
well Timmah, not really...
we aren't really a willing part of the fed gov anymore.. (only a few areas of the country could secede willingly and legally) we were willing to join the union, but by doing so we allow the u.s. fed to have supremacy over our state laws.
you are right though about the intention of the fed paying attention to the will of the states. an experiment of nations.
we aren't really a willing part of the fed gov anymore.. (only a few areas of the country could secede willingly and legally) we were willing to join the union, but by doing so we allow the u.s. fed to have supremacy over our state laws.
you are right though about the intention of the fed paying attention to the will of the states. an experiment of nations.
Little Tommy
Well-Known Member
This type of shady business is why it is such a problem. Most real patients do not have the capacity to grow their own without help from others. It seems like all the other ways to obtain the medicine falls into gray areas unless you have a caregiver that isn't trying to rake you over the coals. There will come a time when my disease will no longer allow me to cultivate my own personal medicine and I will be truly screwed if these gray areas are not more clear. Meanwhile, I shall try to live within the parts of the law that are clear.
ismokealotofpot
New Member
You wont be screwed some one on here will help.
cephalopod
Well-Known Member
I think my friend Eric says it pretty well here......
http://www.freep.com/article/20110609/OPINION05/106090421/Opposing-points-view-Medical-pot-law-would-workable-people-weren-t-harassed
http://www.freep.com/article/20110609/OPINION05/106090421/Opposing-points-view-Medical-pot-law-would-workable-people-weren-t-harassed
a dog named chico
Well-Known Member
This is why i only deal with people i knew BEFORE i got my card
ismokealotofpot
New Member
Circle of ten brother, circle of ten.
You are a fucking moron, why dont you just stfu.