Opinions on CH9 Female Seeds? Anyone grow any of their strains?

calicat

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About two weeks I'll be chopping a herijuana jack 33 and the finish time would be 51 days. It was a joy to grow. Can't wait to smoke it. Smells hashy but really hard to tell because the agent oranges are masking the aroma of everything I have in flower atm. Structure wise it looks like herijuana. I'll probably try their other strains as single seeds and definately crack the vintage 06 at the end of the year.
 

hazey grapes

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the 2 day soak method where you poke your floaters that will sink IF they sink after 24 hours has always worked for me and i did try gently scuffing my beans with sandpaper once and i can't say whether it helped or not, but it didn't seem to hurt them

sadly, my second jack didn't want to co-operate, so i bought another with an order for chocolope as i still want to test it and knock it up with some sativa trans love x cindy apollo and especially malawi gold if it doesn't turn hermie and to give it a better test.

my purpose in placing the order though was to get a blim burn orka UFO that's supposed to be trippy, and to test it for the peeps here that do appreciate ANY reporting on strains that get you high that aren't being covered much.

i've come to the conclusion that there's a cash crapperconspiracy to discredit any grower testing sativa dominants. i was trying to decide if i wanted to try DNA martian mean green as sweet haze is out of stock, and in another forum some troll was giving the MMG reporter shit and questioning their grow because, like me, they care more about buzzes than logs and pics. in their case, whoever was bitching that without a log, they were just making it up... like a fucking genius... uh... no one could ever fake a grow log! fuckin' A! get over yourselves haters! i'm inclined to give whoever the benefit of the doubt as the only reason i can see to fake a report is if you're a schwag breeder trying to move your shit, and there's 1 or 2 of them up in here... you know who you are bitches, but DNA doesn't have to stoop to that cause their gear's totally righteous! maybe i'll try MMG next time.

to keep things simple, i'm planning on fewer plants at a time and just letting them fill a screen up. harvesting a bunch of interwoven plants would be a real bitch i bet.

as to the untested blim burn, i'll only hype it if it earns my respect in some way. hopefully it'll rise above generic haze status which isn't shabby, but not that impressive either for my HIGH (pun intended) standards.
 
You have already been told once that you are not a grower, so stop trying to pass yourself off as one. Just because seeds sprout and start growing, doesn't make anyone a grower, seeds sprout on their own in nature with no so called grower present.

To be a grower you have to have some understanding of basic horticulture, sadly this is not the case.
 

althor

Well-Known Member
Why these so called "growers" refer to 4 way hybrids as strains shows how little they know about what they are talking about, or even more to the point how stupid they are! I love these so called experts, if it wasn't for them most of the money being made on all the stupid grow equipment being sold to morons would not be possible. I am not going to try and address all the mistakes quoted above, I will just say that if you listen to this guy you should be very successful.

If you do not like CH9 seeds don't buy them, grow something else that you can fail with!
After reading the post above, I cannot help but advocate that there should a law that restricts inbreeding of human beings.

Let me make sure that I get this correct about another post listed here, germinating seeds in water or paper towels is to save on wasting dirt for the same purpose? Here is a clue for those that have to ride the special bus in the morning to get to school.

Have you ever wondered why most of the complaints about bad germination rates always comes from people who use these silly methods, yeah think about it a minute it will come to you eventually.

I have always had incredible germ rates, so I dont think that issue is a problem for me.
 
Sure pre-germination works! My comments are not directed at those who know how to do it without contamination of the embryo.

I think Mandala Mike said it best at his site, so I will let him explain, I am tired of trying to explain why it is not needed for fresh viable seeds and places them at greater risk for failure should they be contaminated with bacteria!

The following was taken from the Mandala Seeds site.............

For an optimal germination result the seeds should be planted DIRECTLY into the substrate. We clearly advise against using pre-germination methods or soaking. Please do not place the seeds into a glass of water or in moist paper tissues.

This does not mean that pre-soaking should never be used with seeds from other sources, or that we criticize growers who prefer this method. We are aware that some breeders recommend it for their products. But to prevent complications and achieve the consistent level of high germination rates that you should be getting from your Mandala seeds please trust our advice and follow our guidelines.
Please take note that customers who soak their Mandala seeds in water or wet paper tissue do so at their own risk. We are not accountable for any failure in germination or complications caused by this method.
Fresh and healthy seeds prefer a nurturing and airy substrate to germinate in – just as mother nature has meant it to be. Cannabis is a plant species originating from semi-arid and temperate biotopes and the vast majority of modern cannabis hybrids contain a substantial percentage of these genetics. Cannabis seeds are not adapted to swampy wetlands, but they are suited for germinating in well drained soil/substrate. In nature they rot if they fall into a puddle of water...and there are no paper tissues lying around either. Taking into account these botanical facts, it is quite logical that by creating germination conditions that are similar to those of the natural habitat you can expect the best results.
What happens if one uses pre-germination methods?

Soaking seeds in water/wet paper towels is a method which can be used for old seeds (3+ years) that are drying up and losing germination power; and for pure land race equatorial strains such as from Africa. Both factors do not apply to our seeds. Fresh seeds have a healthy embryo whose cells are filled with water. But excess water causes the cells to bloat, depletes oxygen and leads to the tissue rotting away before the seed embryo can germinate. Old seeds have lost water in the cell tissue, the embryo starts to shrivel, which is why germination rates drop the older the seeds are. Therefore, old seeds (ie. 3+ years) can soak up more water before adverse conditions cause them to rot. This is one of the main reasons why various seed stock reacts differently to pre-germination methods. Some growers make the mistake of soaking our seeds in water for up to 1-2 days because it may have worked in the past with other seeds. This does not mean, however, that this method can be used for all seeds. In fact, old stock or equatorial cannabis seeds should only be soaked in water for a few hours at the most. Always consult the web site of a seed bank for specific advice and instructions on how to germinate their seeds.
It is in a growers best interest to choose a germination method with the lowest risk of complications. Because we want customers to have the highest success rate possible we recommend the most convenient and safest method. This does not mean it is the only option. We simply believe it carries the lowest risk for germinating fresh seeds. Planting seeds directly in the substrate is also the most plant friendly method for any type of seed stock. The reasons are explained below in paragraph 2 & 3.
Placing healthy & fresh seeds in water/wet tissue can lead to the development of fungi or bacteria on the seed hull. Lack of oxygen and contaminating substances in the water/wet tissue promote fungal growth which can be transported to the substrate later on. Often the seed simply rots away if left for too long in a glass of water, or wrapped up in wet tissue.

Once the seed sprouts in a glass of water or paper tissue it already has the taproot growing out of the cracked seed hull. While transplanting the germinated seed it is very difficult, indeed impossible, to prevent damage to the delicate taproot. Many sprouted seedlings handled in this way show retarded development, or even simply fail to appear out of the substrate after transplantation. Handling seedlings this way can impair the health & vigour of the plant for the duration of it’s life cycle - especially if other disturbing factors occur during the early stages of growth.
Professional horticulturists rarely use pre-germination methods to actually grow out the seedlings because of the shock suffered from transplanting them. For example, we use the paper tissue method only as a quick test for germination rates of aged seed stock from our genetic repository. This allows us to see beforehand how many seeds we have to put in soil to get the amount of plants we require for breeding projects.
Germinating cannabis seeds is not difficult. All you need is some basic information on what is important and everything should work out fine.
 
Wow this thread is FUCKKKKKIN HOSTILE!!....settle the hell down,are you guys growing crack?
AT any rate back to the original question...as it appears that the last few threads are arguing about ummm how to germinate a seed?
CH9 Seeds...I got two of these for free, months ago from Attitude.The Attitude Seed Bank is great! I have dealt with many seed banks including mark emery preinternet days out of the magazine when they where the only ones around and crazy high prices.And the Attitude is the way to go..original sealed breeders packs!And it arrived!(For a black/gray market imported from overseas purchase that's all I ask outta shipping.)
At any rate I received two Ch9 Samples for free...The first one I completed months ago It was Blue Lemon Thai n WOW what a great strain! Super Vibrant,potent ,tasty...It was one single feminized seed and we filled a sea of green at my buddies with the clones...EVERY SINGLE ONE IS THE SAME..VERY homogeneous plants..and even after a couple generations of cloning,they burst forth from veg till harvest..I know I am going off one seed and one strain,but if it's any indication of CH9 I AM SOLD.I have used kc brains,flying dutchman,serious and dutch passion in the past...this blue lemon was my favorite....just cracked the critical mass fem which was the other sample and after many months of sitting on my shelf it too is growing like a weed.
 

OGEvilgenius

Well-Known Member
Wow this thread is FUCKKKKKIN HOSTILE!!....settle the hell down,are you guys growing crack?
AT any rate back to the original question...as it appears that the last few threads are arguing about ummm how to germinate a seed?
CH9 Seeds...I got two of these for free, months ago from Attitude.The Attitude Seed Bank is great! I have dealt with many seed banks including mark emery preinternet days out of the magazine when they where the only ones around and crazy high prices.And the Attitude is the way to go..original sealed breeders packs!And it arrived!(For a black/gray market imported from overseas purchase that's all I ask outta shipping.)
At any rate I received two Ch9 Samples for free...The first one I completed months ago It was Blue Lemon Thai n WOW what a great strain! Super Vibrant,potent ,tasty...It was one single feminized seed and we filled a sea of green at my buddies with the clones...EVERY SINGLE ONE IS THE SAME..VERY homogeneous plants..and even after a couple generations of cloning,they burst forth from veg till harvest..I know I am going off one seed and one strain,but if it's any indication of CH9 I AM SOLD.I have used kc brains,flying dutchman,serious and dutch passion in the past...this blue lemon was my favorite....just cracked the critical mass fem which was the other sample and after many months of sitting on my shelf it too is growing like a weed.
Clones are always supposed to be the same. Has nothing to do with how homo or heterozygous a plant is.

Glad you liked yours. My CM33 I grew for the hell of it wasn't bad. Pretty dank smelling and decent smoke. Wasn't a keeper for me though. Based on my experience with it, I would grow something out from them again in the future although I'm not jumping at it given they only do feminized seeds.
 

althor

Well-Known Member

My best friend grew out Jack 33. I was less than impressed. If I never smoke it again I would be just fine.
Woodsy smell and taste that was just horrible and the buzz was eh.
 

althor

Well-Known Member
Sure pre-germination works! My comments are not directed at those who know how to do it without contamination of the embryo.

I think Mandala Mike said it best at his site, so I will let him explain, I am tired of trying to explain why it is not needed for fresh viable seeds and places them at greater risk for failure should they be contaminated with bacteria!

The following was taken from the Mandala Seeds site.............

For an optimal germination result the seeds should be planted DIRECTLY into the substrate. We clearly advise against using pre-germination methods or soaking. Please do not place the seeds into a glass of water or in moist paper tissues.

This does not mean that pre-soaking should never be used with seeds from other sources, or that we criticize growers who prefer this method. We are aware that some breeders recommend it for their products. But to prevent complications and achieve the consistent level of high germination rates that you should be getting from your Mandala seeds please trust our advice and follow our guidelines.
Please take note that customers who soak their Mandala seeds in water or wet paper tissue do so at their own risk. We are not accountable for any failure in germination or complications caused by this method.
Fresh and healthy seeds prefer a nurturing and airy substrate to germinate in – just as mother nature has meant it to be. Cannabis is a plant species originating from semi-arid and temperate biotopes and the vast majority of modern cannabis hybrids contain a substantial percentage of these genetics. Cannabis seeds are not adapted to swampy wetlands, but they are suited for germinating in well drained soil/substrate. In nature they rot if they fall into a puddle of water...and there are no paper tissues lying around either. Taking into account these botanical facts, it is quite logical that by creating germination conditions that are similar to those of the natural habitat you can expect the best results.
What happens if one uses pre-germination methods?

Soaking seeds in water/wet paper towels is a method which can be used for old seeds (3+ years) that are drying up and losing germination power; and for pure land race equatorial strains such as from Africa. Both factors do not apply to our seeds. Fresh seeds have a healthy embryo whose cells are filled with water. But excess water causes the cells to bloat, depletes oxygen and leads to the tissue rotting away before the seed embryo can germinate. Old seeds have lost water in the cell tissue, the embryo starts to shrivel, which is why germination rates drop the older the seeds are. Therefore, old seeds (ie. 3+ years) can soak up more water before adverse conditions cause them to rot. This is one of the main reasons why various seed stock reacts differently to pre-germination methods. Some growers make the mistake of soaking our seeds in water for up to 1-2 days because it may have worked in the past with other seeds. This does not mean, however, that this method can be used for all seeds. In fact, old stock or equatorial cannabis seeds should only be soaked in water for a few hours at the most. Always consult the web site of a seed bank for specific advice and instructions on how to germinate their seeds.
It is in a growers best interest to choose a germination method with the lowest risk of complications. Because we want customers to have the highest success rate possible we recommend the most convenient and safest method. This does not mean it is the only option. We simply believe it carries the lowest risk for germinating fresh seeds. Planting seeds directly in the substrate is also the most plant friendly method for any type of seed stock. The reasons are explained below in paragraph 2 & 3.
Placing healthy & fresh seeds in water/wet tissue can lead to the development of fungi or bacteria on the seed hull. Lack of oxygen and contaminating substances in the water/wet tissue promote fungal growth which can be transported to the substrate later on. Often the seed simply rots away if left for too long in a glass of water, or wrapped up in wet tissue.

Once the seed sprouts in a glass of water or paper tissue it already has the taproot growing out of the cracked seed hull. While transplanting the germinated seed it is very difficult, indeed impossible, to prevent damage to the delicate taproot. Many sprouted seedlings handled in this way show retarded development, or even simply fail to appear out of the substrate after transplantation. Handling seedlings this way can impair the health & vigour of the plant for the duration of it’s life cycle - especially if other disturbing factors occur during the early stages of growth.
Professional horticulturists rarely use pre-germination methods to actually grow out the seedlings because of the shock suffered from transplanting them. For example, we use the paper tissue method only as a quick test for germination rates of aged seed stock from our genetic repository. This allows us to see beforehand how many seeds we have to put in soil to get the amount of plants we require for breeding projects.
Germinating cannabis seeds is not difficult. All you need is some basic information on what is important and everything should work out fine.

Seems you are sold on it. Do it your way. Most of us will continue doing it OUR way. At 10 bucks a seed, I will continue to germ and see the tails pop out. Plain and simple. I am sure it is no big deal to Mandala considering the 10's of thousands of seeds they have on hand. Hell they can drop 10000000 seeds and those that dont germ are no big deal.
 

kindnug

Well-Known Member
You CAN'T guarantee every seed the exact same> Just like you CAN'T guarantee every seed will sprout(even in perfect conditions)

I can say I've had CH9 Greenbud outdoors full sun 30gal pot 8 ft. tall showed female end July and mid sept. threw balls Top to Bottom...

It doesn't take a "grower" to plant and harvest good product outdoors...I know the other 15 plants turned out full females and produced Top Shelf quality (mainly due to finding the balls before blown wad)

The 15 were also fem. ceeds from G13Labs+Dinafem(5packs) that were pure girls.
The CH9 was a free one> G13Labs previous free seed encouraged me to order full packs from them.

Ceeds are supposed to grow themselves last time I checked!All they need is a good medium+water/food+sunlight
Anything else outdoors is genetic especially when they all get the same treatment (like queens)
 
It would seem that as usual people see what they want to see, and hear what they want to hear when it comes to their own thought process. I have no problem how people germinate seeds as long as they know why they are doing it, they could germinate them between "hot dog buns" for all I care! It is a major shock to the embryo to use this method, and I challenge anyone to prove differently!

Many growers germinate seeds out of the main grow medium regardless of what they cost, $1.00 or $10.00 what is the point about cost?


This paper towel method and soaking in water germination practices are talked about so much, it is as if it is some how superior to what has been going on for "Millions" of years in nature, I don't buy it and neither does science.

I fully agree that Pre-germination works, but I would take a conservative guess that 80% of those that use this method, do not have the sanitary conditions to pull it off indefinitely. It is like not practicing safe sex, and bragging about I have never caught anything, the odds are against you and sooner or later you will catch something!

The problem I have is if the tap root sustains damage and the embryo does not develop properly, and the final result is the plant never reaches it's genetic potential or has problems while growing, STOP BLAMING THE BREEDERS!
 

kindnug

Well-Known Member
Who said anything about cost...I'm germinating all my seeds the same in root plugs(no I don't pre-germinate)

I see you keep coming to defend saying its the medium when all our plants get the same medium + only certain ceeds are failing.

It was a freebie for me>I'd hate to be the person spending $ on the one I received

I invested months growing it just to chop it down because of male balls growing next to female calyx+lucky I see it before they burst.

15 plants in the EXACT same conditions finished out top quality(they were all in full sun open fields)
I never have germination or growth problems...always healthy #1 priority

I don't blame breeders>I blame the bad genetics
 

hazey grapes

Well-Known Member
i've always been happy with the 2 day soak method wherever i learned that from... soak your seeds 24 hours, try to tap them to the bottom if they'll sink, soak another 24 hours, and plant them. a big reason besides it working reliably that i like is that it's easy to label multiple strains in side order ketchup cups or yoghurt cups etc. never liked the paper towel soak. i've gotten mold with that before. some people like to scuff their seeds with fine grit sandpaper for better water uptake too. i didn't notice any significant increase in viability doing that.

the biggest improvement in viability i've seen is using a humidity dome, especially in cold rooms in winter, but even in summer it speeds sprouting up a lot. it doesn't work well with peat pellets though as there's a very fine line between drying out and mold that's harder to balance than using something rgat's at least mostly watertight like planter cups or small containers
 
If you read better than you spell, you would see that someone has mentioned cost many times in this thread. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing when it comes to this hobby. How in the hell do you judge a variety of marijuana on ONE seed???? I could write the same silly comments about hermies with Mr. Nice, Sensi, Mandala and other real breeders because ONE of their seeds did not perform as expected, but why do something as narrow minded as that?

All marijuana is not the same and when you grow many different varieties often they all have different needs, so when one does not respond as the others in the grow some how something is wrong with it. What about the other CH9 customers that have grown the same variety with no problems, are they lying about the results, of course not.

In a forum like this you get many clowns that just like to argue.

It is like when someone says everybody that has Red shoes stand up, you invariably get some clown that stands up and says I have Blue shoes, then you have to tell him sit your ass down no one is talking to you!
 

hazey grapes

Well-Known Member
How in the hell do you judge a variety of marijuana on ONE seed?
well first off, take a 180 at the fork in the road that says hell, and then if you get a really great single, you know the strain is very easily capable of greatness. as much as control freaks bitch and whine about stabilization at the expense of better hybrid vigor, then a stable seed should be uniform in results, right?

of course it's a little more complicated than that. one bad result doesn't make a strain suck, but a lot of them put together do. if trolls did as much adding to knowledge instead of trying to to rule it out, oh forgot where i was going with that. oh yeah... shutthefuckupis is knowledge interruptus.

i'll give CH9's jack another try as well as their jack 33. it was interesting as a mid for a few reasons and i don't recall any hermies, but i didn't check either as i've only seen that in highland thai regs which is what that strain does naturally.

one seed is one vote. that's what the fuck value any report on a single seed is worth! more votes tells the whole story eventually. dismissing voices is the tool of liars and tyrants (hell can be a freudian slip). that's how the GOP scum get away with the pure evil they espouse... go negative, go early.

if everybody tells it like it is, there shouldn't be any problems in a democracy.
i wish i had a recording of that one lying SOB slipping up and blurting something along the lines of "facts are disputable"

three out of three excellent single fems from DNA sure as heck means 3x a lot of something to me with my one vote of liking my CH9 jack freebie that will hopefully turn into 2 more votes re-running it and trying 33. i really liked the compact dense structure of jack without a lot of odor or stone to it's happy buzz.one good seed can lead to further testing of a strain too. if you get something great, you'll want to see it again. that's another value of 1 see. a lot of great can come from 1 seed like the strain known as dumpster in which an abandoned orphan, literally sprouting in a garbage dumpster turns into some awesome strain everyone loves, and oh they should make a rags to riches movie of the story...

one is the check against the balance of insanity when people turn into self destructive lemmings.
 
One of the main reasons breeders grow out 100's if not 1000's of plants is to find the pheno-typical traits they are looking for to breed with in the first place. If you use poly hybrids to produce any kind of seed (feminized or regular), you will see differences in the off spring, which translates into desirable and undesirable traits. F1 generations between two heirloom varieties will still have differences, but they will still be more uniform than anything being offered today by most breeders.

Mango Haze, do all the off spring smell like mango's of course not, does this mean you should have found it in one seed..... you could, but in 15 or 20 will be more accurate! Serious growers grow out varieties more than once to at least get to know its traits, but that is probably a waste of time.

Depending on how feminized seeds are produced they also have some distinct pheno-typical traits that vary in the gene pool. Who said you can't find something good from one seed, I didn't, I said you cannot judge a variety from one seed, but maybe you can.
If you find something great you keep it, that is why most people take cuttings or clones if you will, if you expect to reproduce the same thing with every seed you will be disappointed.

The term searching for the Holy Grail in this hobby is quoted for a reason
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I want to see different phenos, that way I have a better chance of finding something great at home, instead of in a dumpster.
 

kindnug

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I'm the only person with a problem with these ceed...

Nope...I have never had a hermie from Mr.Nice/G13Labs/Dinafem
It's obvious that more than one of your seeds has hermi traits. Just because I had ONE bad seeds doesn't change the FACT that others are buying full packs and getting multiple hermaphrodite plants next to HEALTHY plants from other breeders.

All plants need the same general things and my plants had 0 deficiency>all green

You want to argue>but I've grown SINGLE FREE CEEDS from many breeders and never a hermi until I tried greenbud.
I'm not passing judgement on the whole catalogue because of that one ceed. Just giving my experience with it.


I don't start arguments> I state FACTS

I was going to buy a pack or 2 just to check for myself but if you are affiliated with CH9 then I will be spending my $$ on more reliable genetics + breeders with better customer service
 

kindnug

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I don't care if it takes 10 or 1000 ceeds to find a good pheno...Every1 finds different pheno. and no1 is claiming all ceeds should be the same!

What they are saying is that the ceeds shouldn't have Genetic hermi. I've yet to see a good representation from a CH9 ceed.

Where's the pictures of finished buds? I want to see some...
 
I don't care if it takes 10 or 1000 ceeds to find a good pheno...Every1 finds different pheno. and no1 is claiming all ceeds should be the same!
Who said they were?

What they are saying is that the ceeds shouldn't have Genetic hermi. I've yet to see a good representation from a CH9 ceed.
Define genetic hermi!
How do we know you can be a judge of good representation?
Where's the pictures of finished buds? I want to see some.

You can find pictures of CH9 gear all over the net as well as in the "Big Book of Buds".


Kindnug, what are you talking about? How do you know it is a genetic hermi, you don't! You are full of more shit than a "Christmas Goose" when it comes to bashing CH9. You can find pictures of CH9 gear all over the net as well as in the "Big Book of Buds", so show me all the pictures of CH9 plants that hermied? Most will not show such pics, because they do not exist or you would see immediately why they hermied, the sorry grow skills.

This is the same "bullshit" you hear from other forums, Sensi is better than Mr. Nice, the guys from Mr. Nice say that Sensi is no good etc. Instead of playing this when it comes to seed companies "who is stronger Batman or Super Man" crap, just grow what you like, if others would look at the beginning of this thread you would see that most of this B.S. has been exposed for what it is!

If you do not like CH9 do not use it, the Marx Brothers could figure this one out! I have never had any problems with their varieties, so I do not agree that everything they sell is no good!

You can put me down as a troll, agent, cash cropper and all the other dumb ass statements made about people who will not gang up on companies based on stories that change every time they are told.
 
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