jimmygreenfingers
Well-Known Member
I wouldnt grow anymore beans from CH9, all my jacks grew nanners. Fucking waste of time, big pile of poo........stay clear.
Opinions on CH9 Female Seeds? Anyone grow any of their strains?
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you seems to have a problem with me Bean Davis, you emailed me once, I sent you some infos about using booster and supervit and the risk of hermie due to these product but you continue with your hate and fear, none of our seeds hermie, this is not true at all. Many seedbanks have problems due to abusive posts like yours on forums and i will not let you do it anymore, most people who have been contacting us about problems, and there is not a lot, where unable to proove their purchase, unable to show any image of plant being hermies, not to say, I never beleive one person who can't proove anything, not even a ticket a purchase...
i will not respond to any posts here, when you said i heard ch9 was banned from forums you mnnat fro Icmag, where tom hill and Raco screw my rep. pages and started with their fears also. And Gypsy nirvana keeping the ch9 forum with a lock for years to break our reputation. Ok but let me tell you, teh ch9 seeds seels very well, they have been very stable, potent, and our customers are very happy with many plants yielding over 200 gr.
I will post again the infos on the supervit and any booster so people with legitimate soul will at least learn something, other with their fear, abusing their plants and breeders cause they can't find anything else to do, will continue doing so i have no doubts.
this is from Robert Conell Clarke in the 70'
i will not respond to any posts here, when you said i heard ch9 was banned from forums you mnnat fro Icmag, where tom hill and Raco screw my rep. pages and started with their fears also. And Gypsy nirvana keeping the ch9 forum with a lock for years to break our reputation. Ok but let me tell you, teh ch9 seeds seels very well, they have been very stable, potent, and our customers are very happy with many plants yielding over 200 gr.
I will post again the infos on the supervit and any booster so people with legitimate soul will at least learn something, other with their fear, abusing their plants and breeders cause they can't find anything else to do, will continue doing so i have no doubts.
this is from Robert Conell Clarke in the 70'
"- Avoid overfeeding young plants using boosters or any of the following
ga3, ethylene, cytokinins, auxins, (small bottle supervit additives, or
superthrive contains cytokinines) it can stimulate sex reversal specially with young plants."
But I am worry there is no point trying to explain something to someone claiming seeds for his mistakes, without any prove.
Continue with your fear Bean Davis! but watch what you write down.
ga3, ethylene, cytokinins, auxins, (small bottle supervit additives, or
superthrive contains cytokinines) it can stimulate sex reversal specially with young plants."
But I am worry there is no point trying to explain something to someone claiming seeds for his mistakes, without any prove.
Continue with your fear Bean Davis! but watch what you write down.
Shannon Alexander
Well-Known Member
Forgot to update... I got zero of them to break soil... Could have been just bad luck tho...
CriticalEater
Member
Eight people eh? So, all eight of you decided to grow the same breeders stock at the same time, and all of you had problems with hermies? Do you realize how incredibly stupid that sounds? You would think one of you would have told the others before hand that they were having problems with hermies instead of all of you planting the exact same breed at the exact same time. I have to say I think you're a plant from another seed company. CH9 has never let any of MY friends down, but they know what they're doing, so there you go.
audiophile
Member
Yeah this is my first post, because I almost never get involved with arguments on websites, but this one takes the cake!
This is too funny, one guy claims to get nanners and some of them "PoP", but does not notice all these nanners during his grow.
Then another guy grows the same variety, but his is also covered with nanners, but doesn't notice this until the other guy post his story about hermies.
It almost sounds like a 3 Stooges skit.........Hey Moe, I got nanners too NUK NUK NUK , Just kidding!
You have to admit that the evolution of this story sounds strange to say the least.
Yes, I have grown a number of CH9 varieties POW and Toxic Blue to name a couple, and they are very good STRONG medicine.
I always like to see pictures with such claims about bad genetics, that way we not only see all these claimed nanners, but we can also see the condition the plant is in at the time these things happen.
High or low temperatures, over fertilization, improper lighting, PH imbalance, pesticides, light leaks and general stress are just a few things that can cause hermaphrodites in Cannabis plants, needless to say this is not the breeders fault.
This is too funny, one guy claims to get nanners and some of them "PoP", but does not notice all these nanners during his grow.
Then another guy grows the same variety, but his is also covered with nanners, but doesn't notice this until the other guy post his story about hermies.
It almost sounds like a 3 Stooges skit.........Hey Moe, I got nanners too NUK NUK NUK , Just kidding!
You have to admit that the evolution of this story sounds strange to say the least.
Yes, I have grown a number of CH9 varieties POW and Toxic Blue to name a couple, and they are very good STRONG medicine.
I always like to see pictures with such claims about bad genetics, that way we not only see all these claimed nanners, but we can also see the condition the plant is in at the time these things happen.
High or low temperatures, over fertilization, improper lighting, PH imbalance, pesticides, light leaks and general stress are just a few things that can cause hermaphrodites in Cannabis plants, needless to say this is not the breeders fault.
beans davis
Well-Known Member
I dont have problem with anyone and i write what i want i'm no punk kid been growing since mid 80s and my grow room is right.None of my other fems in that grow hermed and i picked nanners off the jack 33 and the smoke wasnt top shelf by far i dont lie for anybody!
The reason we all have the same CH9 srtains is b/c they were freebies and i checked that plant not a week before i found it covered too bad to save.
I emailed you twice and you sent me an email meant for someone else saying the shit he was using was causing his herms.I use Dyna-Gro nutes no boosters at all just DG thats it!
And i dont post pics on forums but i still have the hermie seeds if you would like some?I told you on my e mail i dont use any of that shit you listed...you must have me mixed up... you sent me an e mail meant for someone else.
I dont know anything about you being banned and i dont think i posted that.
@CriticalEater if you read the thread you would Know we got these seeds on tude promo...thats why we all growin the same seeds.And we all decided to form a conspiracy against CH9 seeds just b/c we all that way huh? If you read my 1st posts i was pushing them and was going to buy more seeds from them untill this happened.
You know i dont care what anyone thinks i know what i know and i will never touch another CH9 seed or post about them ever again...I'm done!
Peace
EDIT: I was pissed my plants got seeded i apologize for atacking anyone pesonally...it was meant at the company and i lost my temper and i'm sorry for that...thats not who i am...but i meant every word i said about the seeds.
audiophile
Member
I understand the frustration, but I think the point must be made that in this hobby things happen!
I have had hermies from Sensi Seeds and Greenhouse Seeds, but that doesn't mean that their entire line of seeds should be bashed because something went wrong with one variety, which more than likely was my fault in the first place.
If Honda, Ford or Porsche has a recall on one car model, does that mean that entire automobile line is no good?
When dealing with certain varieties of cannabis some are more sensitive than others, which is the reason why some breeders point out the level of expertise required for growing certain varieties.
If this hobby is so easy, why do we have contest between different breeders, because this is science and botany, which requires education and experience.
Name dropping nutrient companies, and all the other assorted banter means nothing if you cannot achieve your desired results. I started in plain dirt (27 years ago) and worked my way up to soilless mediums and the like. Far too many people want to start in the Majors and by pass the Minors, then wonder why they can't hit the ball.
One thing is for sure with anything that is to be learned, you can do it the easy way or the hard way!
I have had hermies from Sensi Seeds and Greenhouse Seeds, but that doesn't mean that their entire line of seeds should be bashed because something went wrong with one variety, which more than likely was my fault in the first place.
If Honda, Ford or Porsche has a recall on one car model, does that mean that entire automobile line is no good?
When dealing with certain varieties of cannabis some are more sensitive than others, which is the reason why some breeders point out the level of expertise required for growing certain varieties.
If this hobby is so easy, why do we have contest between different breeders, because this is science and botany, which requires education and experience.
Name dropping nutrient companies, and all the other assorted banter means nothing if you cannot achieve your desired results. I started in plain dirt (27 years ago) and worked my way up to soilless mediums and the like. Far too many people want to start in the Majors and by pass the Minors, then wonder why they can't hit the ball.
One thing is for sure with anything that is to be learned, you can do it the easy way or the hard way!
beans davis
Well-Known Member
I understand your position completly.
I tell you this for the last time...i know my grows and i didnt cause that plant to herm DFs didnt herm neither did Firestarter or any of my OGs and theyre hermie prone and were all fems.
I'm not saying all CH9 strains will do this but there is several strains on here hermmin and i dont believe its all growers fault.
I hope CH9 Seeds does well ...i dont have anything against anyone personally...i already said i lost my temper.
2 strains hermed on me in my grows Ch9 Critical mass 33 & GHS Bubba K and the Bubba was good smoke it hermed on me 3 times and every time it was the only herm in the grow out of 11 other plants...so i gotta call breeder on that 1...same w the Critical Mass 33!
EDIT:I never brought up nutes untill you said i was putting that crap on my plants.. and i dont even know what that shit is you listed...wasnt name dropping just tellin ya what i used you seemed to think i was using some shit that i dont use.
I tell you this for the last time...i know my grows and i didnt cause that plant to herm DFs didnt herm neither did Firestarter or any of my OGs and theyre hermie prone and were all fems.
I'm not saying all CH9 strains will do this but there is several strains on here hermmin and i dont believe its all growers fault.
I hope CH9 Seeds does well ...i dont have anything against anyone personally...i already said i lost my temper.
2 strains hermed on me in my grows Ch9 Critical mass 33 & GHS Bubba K and the Bubba was good smoke it hermed on me 3 times and every time it was the only herm in the grow out of 11 other plants...so i gotta call breeder on that 1...same w the Critical Mass 33!
EDIT:I never brought up nutes untill you said i was putting that crap on my plants.. and i dont even know what that shit is you listed...wasnt name dropping just tellin ya what i used you seemed to think i was using some shit that i dont use.
audiophile
Member
1. You are not telling me anything for the first or last time!
2. I never told you anything about putting anything on plants.
3. I was not talking to you in particular anyway!
"But I will bite"
Let me take a stab at the problem you maybe having, I know you stated that you know your grows well.
I have learned over the years that not all varieties eat the same, so if you are using a hydro system with one main reservoir, and you have different varieties in that same system, don't be surprised when some of them react differently!
The same holds true in any other medium that you chose to grow in, if you feed every one the same, you may not like the reaction that some plants have to this blanket approach.
I have grown many of Mr Nice's Hazes, and one mango phenotype I had only liked about 1/8 the food that the rest of the plants in the grow ate. If I forced it to consume more, it would burn and more than likely possibly turn hermaphroditic.
Hermaphrodites occur in both Feminized and Regular male female seeds, but even with a true hermaphrodite, you will get some offspring that will not have that as a dominant trait in its genetic code. This is why I have a hard time with people who start spreading reports about hermie's and seed companies, they usually don't know enough about what they are talking about in the first place.
One of the practices that is almost sure to cause nanners is waiting too long to harvest. I will not get into this long explanation as to why, but I will say that many poly hybrids do not like to wait until 40 or 50% of the trichomes have oxidized. When growing with the sensimillia (sp) technique they will throw nanners.
CH9 seeds like any other company has an image to up hold, and should defend their position like any other company would and should!
Since where I live it is legal to grow, I tell my customers who the breeders are of what they are getting. So like many other growers we don't want to hear people say that "we don't want any of this or that" because I read that they are no good on the internet.
Anyone can see that this thread has said exactly that CH9 seeds are no good, this is the general tone that it has, and it is unfair and wrong!
You stated before that this was your last word on this subject, let's hope you can be true to your word (but some how I doubt it)!
2. I never told you anything about putting anything on plants.
3. I was not talking to you in particular anyway!
"But I will bite"
Let me take a stab at the problem you maybe having, I know you stated that you know your grows well.
I have learned over the years that not all varieties eat the same, so if you are using a hydro system with one main reservoir, and you have different varieties in that same system, don't be surprised when some of them react differently!
The same holds true in any other medium that you chose to grow in, if you feed every one the same, you may not like the reaction that some plants have to this blanket approach.
I have grown many of Mr Nice's Hazes, and one mango phenotype I had only liked about 1/8 the food that the rest of the plants in the grow ate. If I forced it to consume more, it would burn and more than likely possibly turn hermaphroditic.
Hermaphrodites occur in both Feminized and Regular male female seeds, but even with a true hermaphrodite, you will get some offspring that will not have that as a dominant trait in its genetic code. This is why I have a hard time with people who start spreading reports about hermie's and seed companies, they usually don't know enough about what they are talking about in the first place.
One of the practices that is almost sure to cause nanners is waiting too long to harvest. I will not get into this long explanation as to why, but I will say that many poly hybrids do not like to wait until 40 or 50% of the trichomes have oxidized. When growing with the sensimillia (sp) technique they will throw nanners.
CH9 seeds like any other company has an image to up hold, and should defend their position like any other company would and should!
Since where I live it is legal to grow, I tell my customers who the breeders are of what they are getting. So like many other growers we don't want to hear people say that "we don't want any of this or that" because I read that they are no good on the internet.
Anyone can see that this thread has said exactly that CH9 seeds are no good, this is the general tone that it has, and it is unfair and wrong!
You stated before that this was your last word on this subject, let's hope you can be true to your word (but some how I doubt it)!
The Lobster Mobster
Active Member
I work on the Ocean dude, I have had issues with CH9 seeds, I have grown different types of there seeds, Jack last season outdoors and it was good, I grew Hashgirl this year which are really late but that's a Sativa for yeah and I grew NL5XJACk33 and it was really good, it didn't like to much water and towards harvest, I had crazy mold issues, which in part could've been my fault for having to many in one spot, others that where on there own did stellar, and I wasn't impressed with the Hashplant at all, I think that Peter has a few really good strains and if you are growing it outdoor, then some things you cannot control, inside I am not sure but out of the 50 or so seeds I have bought from CH9 all have been females.
I do not write on these things alot because I think it is sketchy.
Thanks though, I like getting to respond but the Paranoia seems a little amped up, I will check after ThanksGiving to see if any1 replies.
one thing I pride myself on is honesty, so hopefully this is helpful for some1.
At the moment I am growing two freebies I got from Attitude, the CH9 Critical Mass 33+ which has a very sharp pine/lemon smell, I picked a few early buds I am at around day 45 and the high was kind of racy. I am interested in how the high is going to be because the plant is around 2 -3 oz., not a bad yield. I am also growing out the Blue Lemon Thai, which I unfortunately trimmed down to a near bonsai and I have about a 10g plant of it, but the blue lemon thai has some interesting smells, very sweet. Also the bud structure isn't like I've seen before, and it doesn't have much crystal at the moment, but I have a feeling the blue lemon thai if I let it go to day 75 or 80 it will be really nice. Also what is funny is that I actually had a few ocassions with light leaks on my grow and none of my plants got balls, Eva Jamaica Dream, CH9 Blue Lemon Thai, Critical Mass 33+, Mandala Seeds Hashberry and Point of no Return. So I would have to say either a bad batch from the other growers, which doesn't make sense because I grew out the same promotional seeds, or they had some grower errors, which is more likely.
As a side note all of these plants have been cloned, and I will be running the Critical Mass and Blue Lemon Thai again at higher numbers and less veg time to see if I can discern more about the plants, I don't feel the two large mothers I flowered will be a good enough representation.
As a side note all of these plants have been cloned, and I will be running the Critical Mass and Blue Lemon Thai again at higher numbers and less veg time to see if I can discern more about the plants, I don't feel the two large mothers I flowered will be a good enough representation.
trouble27
Active Member
im growing the critical mass 33 also no nanners yet bud looks suprisingly good smells kinda peppery with hint of lemon also growing the super haze fast growing thought it was gonna be a good 1 but nope trich production if i could even call it that is shitty im gonna be week 7 here in a couple days and the bud looks like it did on week 2 of flower this plant is a piece of shit hopefully what little bud i get off it will be decent. never again will i grow this plant the critical mass is getting reveged if it smokes good i will try to get a pic in a titty bit
trouble27
Active Member
critical mass 33 just cut a little bud to sample yesterday 
super shitty haze i mean super haze the first pic is a clone off the plant in pic2 the bigger plants buds look bigger in the pic than they are its mostly leaf and pistols with an occasional trichome the clone just keeps stretching gonna chuckit outside they dont deserve a spot in my garden
trouble27
Active Member
Alright well both freebies were crap critical mass turned out pretty fluffy and if u don't have a high tolerance it will get u kinda high the the smell is less than pleasant and it will prob get smoked if I get in a real pinch but nothing I would ever grow again . Super haze well this plant just sucks Super Strechy horrible looking bud super leafy the high is just in the head and not very strong at all and deffinately not very tasty not going to grow this ever again . I'm sure someone will say it's my fault that they sucked but they were not the only strains I grew this go . Out of my Tahoe og , kalishnapple kush , heavy duty fruity the void,agent orange ,grandaddy ,plush berry , blue dream,purple gorilla,jamaican dream ,cheese quake ,mazar kush they were by far the worst plants in the garden . Now I did only grow 1 seed of each so I can't say that they would all be crap prob some better phenotypes to pick from but I grew what I had and that is what my opinion is based on I will post a few pics later .anyone else have any info on ch9 seeds ?
hazey grapes
Well-Known Member
oh man do i love their jack! i didn't want to like it because it was so squat and fat leaved that i thought it was going to be an afghani, but it was low odor, potent, VERY euphoric and had a light stone that was more of a heavy body thump than relaxing to tiring. i didn't give it a lot of attention as i was all hard for trippier jack's cleaner 2 & sweet haze, but for a mellower buzz, it kicks much ass. skunk #1 & blueberry suck in comparison. i'm giving it another go as a potential breeder for shrinking stretchy strains without adding as much stone as skunk, G13, NL#5, C13, critical +, & blueberry etc. and will also test their jack 33 to see just how much more euphoric that one can be as jack isn't shabby in the happy department. part of the reason it was so potent might be that it has huge seeds too.
i like what i've seen from CH9 so far. sorry to hear about the hermies with that other grower. mine was a true lady. it's the best "cash cropper" strain i've tried so far probably, but sativa trans love is compact, fruity and more motivational like a generic haze. i really want to compare all of my favorites under identical conditions and with better note taking. jack is at the very least worthy of a re-run with a buzz i think most would really like in the mids range.
bummed to hear all of the reports of hermies for these just like the cali connection blue dream i was so enthused to try. i'll still give them a go regardless. that's why i always used to avoid feminized seeds, but so far, have only seen hermies out of highland thai regs, but that's a natural trait for the strain.
oh well... i think my 1st CH9 beans were freebies and the jack & jack 33 i have now weren't much more than $20. i'll just have to make a mental note to keep my eye on my cali con and CH9 gear. it could be too that the beans were old stock if you got them as freebies. that might make a difference, but a plant that straight up goes mardi gras isn't what anyone wants.
i like what i've seen from CH9 so far. sorry to hear about the hermies with that other grower. mine was a true lady. it's the best "cash cropper" strain i've tried so far probably, but sativa trans love is compact, fruity and more motivational like a generic haze. i really want to compare all of my favorites under identical conditions and with better note taking. jack is at the very least worthy of a re-run with a buzz i think most would really like in the mids range.
bummed to hear all of the reports of hermies for these just like the cali connection blue dream i was so enthused to try. i'll still give them a go regardless. that's why i always used to avoid feminized seeds, but so far, have only seen hermies out of highland thai regs, but that's a natural trait for the strain.
oh well... i think my 1st CH9 beans were freebies and the jack & jack 33 i have now weren't much more than $20. i'll just have to make a mental note to keep my eye on my cali con and CH9 gear. it could be too that the beans were old stock if you got them as freebies. that might make a difference, but a plant that straight up goes mardi gras isn't what anyone wants.
audiophile
Member
It is hard to take any growers opinion seriously about a breeder that grows out 10 different varieties at once (ten different seeds at a time), and tries to tell other people what is good and what is not from growing one seed from one variety. Most of these "flavor of the moment" growers have no idea what they are looking for in a plant, or how to bring out the characteristics of the genetics they use.
It is always entertaining to see remarks about seed producers products being inferior when you notice what the growers choices are from a breeders catalog. We all read the wonderful and creative descriptions about the variety we choose, but many of us ignore the dominant genetic characteristics of the seeds that we buy.
Anything (with some exceptions) with Haze/Sativa as a dominant characteristic is not for the newbie! Sativa's originate at equatorial locations where the temperature hovers in the 80's degree range most of the year, and this area gets plenty of sun with high humidity.
Most growers who do not have a lot of space, money or time and cannot duplicate these conditions consistently.
So, what happens when Sativa's are grown with high temperatures, not enough light and too much fertilizer....they do not grow very well. The reason they are hybridized is to try and offset some of these geographical origin requirements.
If a seedling has a bad start to begin with, many never recover by maturity to express the full potential of the genetic composition within the plant, and that is assuming that everything else within the grow is perfect.
As long as we keep using "paper towels" and other methods that are not needed to germinate good viable seeds, we will have more problems than usually will occur. What is wrong with placing seeds in the medium we are going to grow the plants to get seeds to sprout? Seeds only need to be germinated in this fashion when they are old and have a low germination rate. Use starter cubes that are designed for this, not cups of water or paper towels.
There are only two kinds of seeds on this planet Orthodox and Recalcitrant, I am not going to explain the difference, because those that want to know will do the home work, and the rest will continue to complain about germination rates, high male to female ratios and the usual banter, because they refuse to learn anything and like to blame other people for their lack of knowledge, like the breeders.
As long as we keep using silly additives marketed by fertilizer companies, we will continue to waste money and be disappointed. Sure some additives work, but the ones that do contain growth hormones/regulators that have been banned for human consumption for the past 30-50 years. Do a search (marijuana growth regulators) to find out that some of our favorite companies have been selling these regulators to us and not listing it as an ingredient. Some say it is not harmful, but why take a chance on having a kid with birth defects, or making yourself sick?
Pay attention to breeders skill level recommendations when listed, and when not listed do your homework before you buy. Most breeders that do not list skill level recommendations assume you know what you are doing, or are they wrong?
Start researching products before you use them, and stop using additives because someone told you they work, or worse before you find out whats in them in the first place.
Spend your money wisely on required equipment like PH meters, PPM meters, proper ventilation, safe wiring and proper lighting. Do this before you waste your money on "Bud Builders" or "Bud Sweeteners" etc.
Stop wasting money on grossly over priced nutrients, you can contest grow anyone with a $10.00 bag of Maxibloom.
Buy carbon filters, stop trying to make your own and leave it to the professionals they know what they are doing, and the price is worth it. Even if it is legal to grow in your state use one. You do not want people to know what you are doing, unless you want someone to help themselves to your grow when you are not home, or worse you walk in your front door one day followed by a 357 pistol to the back of your head!
These are just a few of the the thoughts that come to mind when viewing a thread like this. I do not want to get into any arguments about my comments, so if you disagree, keep doing what you are doing your results will speak for itself.
This is what gives this hobby such a black eye when it comes to inaccurate information. When new or ignorant growers gain more experience, and stop trying to play expert, they will see it is not so much what they did, as it is more of what they didn't do that screws up a grow!
How do I know all this, I used to be a know it all Newbie, and trust me I was one of the best because I paid hundreds of wasted dollar$ to be the best idiot/moron grower I could.
Heed my advice as you do not want to be the new champion!
It is always entertaining to see remarks about seed producers products being inferior when you notice what the growers choices are from a breeders catalog. We all read the wonderful and creative descriptions about the variety we choose, but many of us ignore the dominant genetic characteristics of the seeds that we buy.
Anything (with some exceptions) with Haze/Sativa as a dominant characteristic is not for the newbie! Sativa's originate at equatorial locations where the temperature hovers in the 80's degree range most of the year, and this area gets plenty of sun with high humidity.
Most growers who do not have a lot of space, money or time and cannot duplicate these conditions consistently.
So, what happens when Sativa's are grown with high temperatures, not enough light and too much fertilizer....they do not grow very well. The reason they are hybridized is to try and offset some of these geographical origin requirements.
If a seedling has a bad start to begin with, many never recover by maturity to express the full potential of the genetic composition within the plant, and that is assuming that everything else within the grow is perfect.
As long as we keep using "paper towels" and other methods that are not needed to germinate good viable seeds, we will have more problems than usually will occur. What is wrong with placing seeds in the medium we are going to grow the plants to get seeds to sprout? Seeds only need to be germinated in this fashion when they are old and have a low germination rate. Use starter cubes that are designed for this, not cups of water or paper towels.
There are only two kinds of seeds on this planet Orthodox and Recalcitrant, I am not going to explain the difference, because those that want to know will do the home work, and the rest will continue to complain about germination rates, high male to female ratios and the usual banter, because they refuse to learn anything and like to blame other people for their lack of knowledge, like the breeders.
As long as we keep using silly additives marketed by fertilizer companies, we will continue to waste money and be disappointed. Sure some additives work, but the ones that do contain growth hormones/regulators that have been banned for human consumption for the past 30-50 years. Do a search (marijuana growth regulators) to find out that some of our favorite companies have been selling these regulators to us and not listing it as an ingredient. Some say it is not harmful, but why take a chance on having a kid with birth defects, or making yourself sick?
Pay attention to breeders skill level recommendations when listed, and when not listed do your homework before you buy. Most breeders that do not list skill level recommendations assume you know what you are doing, or are they wrong?
Start researching products before you use them, and stop using additives because someone told you they work, or worse before you find out whats in them in the first place.
Spend your money wisely on required equipment like PH meters, PPM meters, proper ventilation, safe wiring and proper lighting. Do this before you waste your money on "Bud Builders" or "Bud Sweeteners" etc.
Stop wasting money on grossly over priced nutrients, you can contest grow anyone with a $10.00 bag of Maxibloom.
Buy carbon filters, stop trying to make your own and leave it to the professionals they know what they are doing, and the price is worth it. Even if it is legal to grow in your state use one. You do not want people to know what you are doing, unless you want someone to help themselves to your grow when you are not home, or worse you walk in your front door one day followed by a 357 pistol to the back of your head!
These are just a few of the the thoughts that come to mind when viewing a thread like this. I do not want to get into any arguments about my comments, so if you disagree, keep doing what you are doing your results will speak for itself.
This is what gives this hobby such a black eye when it comes to inaccurate information. When new or ignorant growers gain more experience, and stop trying to play expert, they will see it is not so much what they did, as it is more of what they didn't do that screws up a grow!
How do I know all this, I used to be a know it all Newbie, and trust me I was one of the best because I paid hundreds of wasted dollar$ to be the best idiot/moron grower I could.
Heed my advice as you do not want to be the new champion!
Jakebake420
Member
Anyone have a P.O.W. 33 Smoke / Grow Report ?
Tude had CH9- POW 33 and maybe Crit 33 or Jack 33 as UFOs the last couple of months. It would be nice to hear of people's experience with CH-9 freebies as they start finishing up in a couple months.
Anyone have experience with P.O.W. 33, please post. The breeder says it is one of the most powerful "Medical" strains on the market. It also finishes really fast in like 56 days. Please post or include link of another grow.
Thanks
Tude had CH9- POW 33 and maybe Crit 33 or Jack 33 as UFOs the last couple of months. It would be nice to hear of people's experience with CH-9 freebies as they start finishing up in a couple months.
Anyone have experience with P.O.W. 33, please post. The breeder says it is one of the most powerful "Medical" strains on the market. It also finishes really fast in like 56 days. Please post or include link of another grow.
Thanks
hazey grapes
Well-Known Member
another attack directed at me...
first off... the only "flavor of the minute" strain i've grown so far is TGA subcool's jack's cleaner 2 because they have such a solid reputation and delivered the goods in the 3 consistent plants i sampled.
second, i KNOW what i'm after! gear that gets you high and avoid gear that's stony or bears my mortal enemy afghani's stink factor regardless of buzz. flavors are just a novelty to me, but a good flavor with a great buzz is a win win.
third, i've gone "off the map" testing gear others don't like jack's cleaner 2 when their offensively named jack the ripper is THE true flavor of the minute, but haven't seen too many people growing high quality seeds' haze x skunk yet which is crazy potent with no burnout stone EVER, holy smokes' malawi gold, world of seeds NL5 columbian, rokerij fake amnesia (generic) haze, mandala's 8 miles high, and i was buying joey weed's C99 when that shit was off the radar too. fuck that popularity contest shit! i flat out despise the taste of diesels even if onyx has a superior buzz and take flack all the fucking time for GOING AGAINST THE FLOW and showing open contempt for cash crapping robot fucking clones.
there was a LEGIT reason, for example, the first light i bought was lower yielding halide... i've KNOWN since the mid 80s that full spectrum light is better for quality where sodium is just a 1 trick pony all about yield with inferior flavor and maybe THC profiles too, though i haven't re-read jorge cervantes' indoor marijuana horticulture a 13th time since the late 80s when i almost had it memorized.
instead of being a dickhead and attacking me and changing the subject, how about attacking those "schwag strains" you're implying i try and hype up instead, which you won't because you know you'll put your foot in your fucking mouth as the few growers i've compared notes with on some of the strains i've grown like CH9 jack have gotten similar buzzes or other qualities as me.
besides, you'll get way more variation at the strain level than you will at the pheno level, so either i'm striking gold 3 out of fucking 3 times with DNA strains that are above average in every way and getting "rare generic fodder" out of other breeder's gear, hazes in particular, or maybe something in the middle. regardless, i fucking tell it like it is for whatever i grow with no fucking axe to grind or agendas other than hating all that stony shit most useless tools grow because they're greedy scum who don't have as much love for the gift as i do.
i grow the best i can find, not easy either as few are fucking growing gear that gets you high and even fewer are giving acceptable smoke reports on it, and o my best to share this HARD TO FUCKING FIND info as practically no one ever gives me recommendations for better at the practical level other than one member always trying to steer me towards ace panama.
i wasted a fucking YEAR back when overgrow was still around asking over and over and fucking over again for just one fucking person to tell me just "how bad" the stone was from the super silver haze and apollo 11 everyone kept trying to push me into and never DID get an acceptable answer and wound up going with decent, but not spectacular C99 instead only to be disappointed that it was racy and clearheaded and not as neutral or especially trippy as columbian gold.. all for the lack of the EXACT fucking kind of information i try to share because no one else is...
your fucking point now?!
oh... you're just another useless cash crapper defending the lie of bag appeal? i'll fight that shit to the fucking death! another jealous hater that'll say ANYTHING to stop others from growing gear they KNOW is better than their tired old OG kush everyone under the fucking artificial sun is growing when i give that shit away as it's beneath my standards of excellence in highs only and shit that doesn't literally stink for no reason other than to perpetuate the lies of schwag appeal.
i have CLEAR fucking goals... fun upbeat strains that are motivational with the sensory effect you don't see in 99% or so of the common shit on every fucking street corner, and i measure EVERYTHING i try against both columbian gold, and 25 fucking years of the shit punk ass loser growers to get rich off that doesn't get you high.
i know a fucking lot more about fucking getting high than billions of poor souls that never have because no one is offering that service!
so, by your own admission then... my reports show, at the very least, what is POSSIBLE out of good gear grown by an apparent total fuck up? you can't have it both fucking ways like you wish. if a total fuckup can get better highs out of almost everything he rolls the dice on than shit from dozens of schwag growers over 2 1/2 decades, um, that says a lot about my shopping skills as even a generic haze like rokerij amnesia takes a steaming dump on ANYTHING i've ever wasted money on in 25 years, and that's the "low end" of what i've sampled!
whut? whut? whut?!
audiophile
Member
Why these so called "growers" refer to 4 way hybrids as strains shows how little they know about what they are talking about, or even more to the point how stupid they are! I love these so called experts, if it wasn't for them most of the money being made on all the stupid grow equipment being sold to morons would not be possible. I am not going to try and address all the mistakes quoted above, I will just say that if you listen to this guy you should be very successful.
If you do not like CH9 seeds don't buy them, grow something else that you can fail with!
After reading the post above, I cannot help but advocate that there should a law that restricts inbreeding of human beings.
Let me make sure that I get this correct about another post listed here, germinating seeds in water or paper towels is to save on wasting dirt for the same purpose? Here is a clue for those that have to ride the special bus in the morning to get to school.
Have you ever wondered why most of the complaints about bad germination rates always comes from people who use these silly methods, yeah think about it a minute it will come to you eventually.
If you do not like CH9 seeds don't buy them, grow something else that you can fail with!
After reading the post above, I cannot help but advocate that there should a law that restricts inbreeding of human beings.
Let me make sure that I get this correct about another post listed here, germinating seeds in water or paper towels is to save on wasting dirt for the same purpose? Here is a clue for those that have to ride the special bus in the morning to get to school.
Have you ever wondered why most of the complaints about bad germination rates always comes from people who use these silly methods, yeah think about it a minute it will come to you eventually.