One man and his bush - 1 plant SCROG in Stealth Cab - Chocolate Berry

lilindian

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dam dude if my shit turns out like this ima bust my load!
are these results off scrog?
I have really been wondering and searching to try and figure out how to get those type of fat ass colas
so what? do you need like special expensive enhancers or is this just the result of proper conditions? (environment, feeding, flushing, etc)

bc everyone i seen either has some decent sized buds or some god given busting beauty buds like this pic
so really, what gives?
Cheers, nah it wasnt a scrog, i topped each plant at the 4th node for 8 main branches, then using string tied down each branch to open up the plants, and give each branch room to grow ect.

Its probably more useful to check the journal i had goin for the grow: https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/426636-2nd-grow-1-barneys-farm.html

The blue cheese colas were decent sized, but the sour diesel cola's were incredible, not quiiite as thick as my super lemon cola that got all mouldy due to its size, but definately longer, each one was near enough a foot long! They were both grown in the same enviornment, and fed the same stuff, yet one grew substantially larger, what does tell u?

Obviously a lot is to do with environments and how healthy u keep the plant through-out, but the yield of a plant is more related to genetics, i.e. The strain and pheno. A great example of this is my super lemon haze grow, 2 of the same plants, same feed and same enviro, but one grew a foot taller and yielded much more.

This is one reason why ppl have mother plants, theyve found either a high yielding or super tastey pheno and they clone the fuck out of it so they are gaurenteed super big super tastey plants (if all other variables are optimised).

Once you have found a good strain and pheno, the next thing to achieving beautiful Cola's is the environment, optimise this and the plant will be doing most the work for u throughout the grow! I'd say expensive nutes are least important out of the reasons you stated, they dont need expensive nutes for ur plant to be healthy and happy, just standards nutes! Unless u have defficiencies and problems
 

C.Indica

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I feel like your going to have lots and lots of tiny nugs, no offense.
Now if you had the patience to strip off X generation of branches and shift attention to fatter colas, you might fix this.
I don't know for sure though.

And I don't know what generation of branches you're on.. You could just pick a size or whatever.
I did this to my Lemon Skunk girl to give her 5 colas, about 20-30 nugs total I think.

I just trim out the branch as soon as it appears as a little baby leaf.
I use a sharp razor blade and cut towards the leaf so I remove the leaf if I slip up, instead of removing the branch.

Works wonders after a week, you'll notice so much new vigor in remaining growth.
Just a suggestion. Certainly works better the longer/sooner you perform it.
 

lilindian

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I feel like your going to have lots and lots of tiny nugs, no offense.
Now if you had the patience to strip off X generation of branches and shift attention to fatter colas, you might fix this.
I don't know for sure though.

And I don't know what generation of branches you're on.. You could just pick a size or whatever.
I did this to my Lemon Skunk girl to give her 5 colas, about 20-30 nugs total I think.

I just trim out the branch as soon as it appears as a little baby leaf.
I use a sharp razor blade and cut towards the leaf so I remove the leaf if I slip up, instead of removing the branch.

Works wonders after a week, you'll notice so much new vigor in remaining growth.
Just a suggestion. Certainly works better the longer/sooner you perform it.
u WERE right, i would've had loads of tiny buds, that is before i sorted her out earlier 2nite, took a LONG time, but should have saved her. I cut all the smallest branches/emerging branches off, and then went in further and cut off all branching something like 5th generation onwards, i did it by thickness of branching and then by length, basically i just cut off well over 100 future branches that wouldnt've made it anywhere near the top of the canopy anyway. So now all i have remaining are branches and their very tops, and the fan leaves down the branching. Only decent sized ones left. I'm sure i've still got more than 87 left, but the remaining ones i want to grow out before removing the excess. This was all done with a brand new trusty scalpel, the tiniest of emerging branches were cut, even if it was just the leaves juuuuust emergin from the node (baby leaf), so nothing should grow from there now and all energy should be put into the remaining tops of branches.

Anyway I'm sure i'm not gona get loads of tiny nugs, and i'm sure u'd agree.. if you saw the size of this stalk, its an absolute BEAST, never seen anything like it....
 

C.Indica

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Sounds perfect, trust me it's my new favorite technique.
I'll perfect it soon. What I didn't like about 5 colas was that too much bud on the insides is lime green and immature.
Next bush will be a 20 cola grow. Same method. I'm hoping to get all primo.

When do you flower her?
I'm stoked.
 

lilindian

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Sounds perfect, trust me it's my new favorite technique.
I'll perfect it soon. What I didn't like about 5 colas was that too much bud on the insides is lime green and immature.
Next bush will be a 20 cola grow. Same method. I'm hoping to get all primo.

When do you flower her?
I'm stoked.
Yeh what i did last night ive never done before, never cut so much off that wasnt just fan leaves either, so im interested to see how she copes/recovers. Exposed a lot of branching and it looks pretty damn cool how its twisting and winding its way towards the edges of the screen, looks a hell of a lot nicer after cleaning up the branches.

Ur reasons for not liking 5 cola's is partially to do with why i topped each of mine last time to give 8 cola's on each plant, i'd rather have like 15 medium thickness colas than 5 super fat ones any day for a whole load of reasons.

I'm flipping her as as i see some good new growth on her so a couple days, most likely wednesday.

Yesterday i fed her full strength bio canna veg + rhizo, silicon + (to help repair cuts i made, strengthen cell walls in branches/fan leaves), supervit (stresses), powerzyme and foilar fed her using groigen. Gave her a whole load of stuff to help her cope with the stresses so hoping for a fast recovery so i can flower already. Tomorrow i'll give her a foilar feeding of organic B to push her along a little more
 

lilindian

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125W blue CFL

I need to move the Cialis fan to the front left corner of my cab instead of my back left, this will allow me to have more room for the CFL reflector, and will allow me to raise it a lot more than it is at the moment. At the moment, the CFL is too close to the plant to be left on due to heat, and i cant raise it until i move the fan over, so its not currently in use, just all set up.

The cab last night dropped down to 19.3C lights on! Need to stick this 600W in there ASAP.

 

maariic

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What does this tube do which comes from the right side to the pot? Do you have Hydro setup or soil? Or is it just watering tube? I am wondering if it is possible to do SCROG by growing in soil and not having 400W MH? Yours is crazy. There will be bud forest :) as soon as you will let her up!
 

lilindian

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What does this tube do which comes from the right side to the pot? Do you have Hydro setup or soil? Or is it just watering tube? I am wondering if it is possible to do SCROG by growing in soil and not having 400W MH? Yours is crazy. There will be bud forest :) as soon as you will let her up!
The black tube was from my last grow, it carried nutes from my reservoir outside my cab into the cupboard. At the end of that black tube was an 8 way splitter, 4 drippers per pot, check it out:



This was in the beginning of my last grow, a lot has changed in the cab since then. Worked like a charm though, i'd leave these 2 growing for a week at a time without checking up on them, watering was all on a 7 day timer.

It's definately possible to do a mini scrog using CFL's, in fact, check out this journal, this guy did a mini scrog inside a speaker! So if he can achieve this then i'm sure you can with a bit of research.

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/456475-stealth-speaker-grow-short-stuff.html
 

lilindian

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Decided to build some supports for the screen today, made 2, still need to make another 2 for the other side. These legs will support the first screen, as the second screen sitting on top is quite heavy.

Between the 2 screens will be further supports like these but ones that are easier to adjust. The reason I don't want to hang the screen is because if i do, i wont be able to pull the plant out on the rollers like i currently can. Therefore i'm trying to build everything to sit on that frame that slides.









Couple shots of the branching i cleaned up










She's actually looking really good today, very nice and healthy, showing no signs of stress, maybe some slightly slower growth if anything. Either way i've decided to flip her tomorrow! For the time being i'm not going to use the CFL, but when she starts flowering properly i'll reconsider.





 

AWnox

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Sweeeeeeeeet!! Tomorrow she begins to flower into a beautiful lady. Ahhh they grow up so fast. :)

P.S. Man I don't know about you but I keep thinking hope those k'nex hold when those buds are over a foot tall and heavy. Good luck brother.
 

lilindian

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Sweeeeeeeeet!! Tomorrow she begins to flower into a beautiful lady. Ahhh they grow up so fast. :)
About time eh?! I might even do a daily update during her stretch as i'm sure i'm gona have to rearrange branching daily, her growth has been so-so so far, but she's about to go into serious overdrive!
 

AWnox

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About time eh?! I might even do a daily update during her stretch as i'm sure i'm gona have to rearrange branching daily, her growth has been so-so so far, but she's about to go into serious overdrive!
Oh there's NO doubt about that. Once that HPS starts her job she's gonna really start shooting up. Seems strange to me that the HPS makes them stretch when flowering more than the MH does when vegging. At least from what I've seen. Maybe that's why some use the HPS all throughout?
 

maariic

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About time eh?! I might even do a daily update during her stretch as i'm sure i'm gona have to rearrange branching daily, her growth has been so-so so far, but she's about to go into serious overdrive!
You definitely have to do daily update with pics - this is like watching everyday news to me ;)
 

lilindian

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Oh there's NO doubt about that. Once that HPS starts her job she's gonna really start shooting up. Seems strange to me that the HPS makes them stretch when flowering more than the MH does when vegging. At least from what I've seen. Maybe that's why some use the HPS all throughout?
Using MH bulbs minimises stretch big time all grow round from the best of my knowledge, using a HPS during veg will just mean greater node spacing, which will then stretch further during flowering meaning you'll have some long branches. Really depends on your set up as to whether thats advantageous or not, and what you're trying to achieve.

ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ;6478356 said:
wow great setup! wish i could give you more rep!
Thanks! Got a treat in store for you in a minute...

You definitely have to do daily update with pics - this is like watching everyday news to me ;)
News with a difference... haha, i'll try man
 

lilindian

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So this is the plan, have it like below, will probably try and get all branches to stretch up to the current height of the screen, i.e. the 2nd screen now will be at its lowest, and from here on will be raised accordingly.

I've figured out an easy way to raise/lower the screen, will show you my plan when i eventually put it on properly and permanently. I just thought i might as well get some pics of everything whilst ive got a MH bulb in there, not a fan of HPS pics. Obviously i've already removed the screen, will stick it back on in a couple weeks if not sooner.











 
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