Occupy Mainstreet, HOLY SHIT!

Winter Woman

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There has to be a way for Michigan kids to get some kind of help with higher education. I just don't know what the answer is. Education is key.

I know Detroit intimately. The kids there have almost no hope. The people in the Detroit School distribution system on Warren Ave (the old Thorn Apple Valley Bldg) steal them blind. Truck after truck, I've seen it with my own two eyes. They steal from their own. It has to stop.

Edit: I really know Detroit. So you won't pull the wool over my eyes.


i really hope you keep up with your christmas donations to the poor tho, they certainly need all the help they can get just to get their kids into college at all
 

tokenbrownguy

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would you have been as successful growing up say, in detroit?, rather than a nice, rural virginia town probably surrounded by all sorts of support? thats the question
I don't mean to jump in here, but I must say that Whee one grows up has a very miniscule effect on the success one can accumulate. This I know from personal experience. I am the child of parents who grew up I the slums of southern India, my farther literally had enough money when he got to the states for a San which and a coke at the airport. I grew up in some of the crappiest areas of Miami during the dadeland massacre days. The cocaine era was my upbringing. I had very little if any support from family or friends. Most everyone I grew up with is in prison or dead...seriously! Its not just a cliche, it is true! One must have a WANT to improve..a want for a better life, a want for more. That drive is what America was founded on. I didn't have the resources others did as a child, but I had a drive...a want to be better, and I worked my ass off for it. It isn't right to assume that people who are successful didn't have to experience their fair share of tribulations along the way...no matter where you grow up. Despite my upbringing, being kicked out of 3 schools, dropping out, getting a GED, I've somehow overcome it all, and am a doctor currently. I'm just saying, you shouldn't assume anything about a person just because they are what one mat deem successful.
 

Winter Woman

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I didn't say lowly, I said uneducated. Well, I guess I would be successful in another country. I would have cleaned in any other country. And my patent is good in USA, Canada, EU, and Japan.

Build a fence? Really? How about I should keep what I earned? If that is building a fence then I will build that fence and put razor wire on tops of it.

Frankly, I'm afraid for everyone's child.

congrats on your success and you sound like a smart, self made woman. however i would like to see you be as successful in any other country. this "build a fence around yourself" mentality the Fixed News crowd has is a deadly pathogen thats spreading, and frankly i'm afraid for my kids. nice assumption on me being some lowely factory worker though, you just crystalized everything i just said
 

Meraxes

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I don't mean to jump in here, but I must say that Whee one grows up has a very miniscule effect on the success one can accumulate. This I know from personal experience. I am the child of parents who grew up I the slums of southern India, my farther literally had enough money when he got to the states for a San which and a coke at the airport. I grew up in some of the crappiest areas of Miami during the dadeland massacre days. The cocaine era was my upbringing. I had very little if any support from family or friends. Most everyone I grew up with is in prison or dead...seriously! Its not just a cliche, it is true! One must have a WANT to improve..a want for a better life, a want for more. That drive is what America was founded on. I didn't have the resources others did as a child, but I had a drive...a want to be better, and I worked my ass off for it. It isn't right to assume that people who are successful didn't have to experience their fair share of tribulations along the way...no matter where you grow up. Despite my upbringing, being kicked out of 3 schools, dropping out, getting a GED, I've somehow overcome it all, and am a doctor currently. I'm just saying, you shouldn't assume anything about a person just because they are what one mat deem successful.
thats impressive, i should take that one back. should of framed that differently.
 

Meraxes

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I didn't say lowly, I said uneducated. Well, I guess I would be successful in another country. I would have cleaned in any other country. And my patent is good in USA, Canada, EU, and Japan.

Build a fence? Really? How about I should keep what I earned? If that is building a fence then I will build that fence and put razor wire on tops of it.

Frankly, I'm afraid for everyone's child.
just when you start to make a little sense, you continue with your assumption that people without a lot of money are all uneducated. this is aristocratic thinking. what of the school teacher who makes next to nothing? or the fireman, and about half the factory workers i know went to college and are some of the smartest people i know. how could you have grown up in detroit and have these views, its like night and day
 

tokenbrownguy

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No worries, man. You're not the only person to judge a book by the cover, lol- fro. Appearances alone, nobody would ever suspect me of having the background I do, or that I enjoy and require medication daily...sorry to put my story in this thread, but I'm stoned, and it had to be said!
 

Meraxes

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No worries, man. You're not the only person to judge a book by the cover, lol- fro. Appearances alone, nobody would ever suspect me of having the background I do, or that I enjoy and require medication daily...sorry to put my story in this thread, but I'm stoned, and it had to be said!
sure, i'd just like see all kids have as much of a chance as possible, is what i meant to say. not just white suburbia
 

Winter Woman

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I didn't say that all factory workers were uneducated. If you reread it I said something about that you 'sounded like a uneducated factory worker'.

I, honestly, didn't think about you having or not having money, that never crossed my mind. College? I was wrong, sorry. My next door neighbor is a teacher and she makes more money than I do. My gf son is a firefighter and he makes great money working for Shelby. My brother is a diemaker and he isn't stupid either. Once again you didn't really read what I said.

And quite frankly, I've learned along time ago not to look down on someone for what they do or what they make. Didn't you read what I did for a living, before? Cleaning funeral homes and crematoriums. Please, aristocratic? How about realistic.

just when you start to make a little sense, you continue with your assumption that people without a lot of money are all uneducated. this is aristocratic thinking. what of the school teacher who makes next to nothing? or the fireman, and about half the factory workers i know went to college and are some of the smartest people i know. how could you have grown up in detroit and have these views, its like night and day
 

Meraxes

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allright winterwoman, i'm not going to saber rattle here. ballgames on, wish you good things :peace:
 

Winter Woman

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Go Tigers!

I am so glad that we spoke. It really got me thinking and I realized why it bothers me to have people think that I don't deserve what I have and that I don't deserve to keep it.

I think there are some people here who will understand this. It's because of all those years of going to work and sometimes not in places that I liked or were safe. It would have been more fun to go out with the girls and flirt with the boys. Joined a bowling league. Take that trip to Florida or England. Gone out and cruised Woodward or Gratiot. Instead I was working nights for two decades and saving, I made a decision to apply myself-for the future. Well, the future is here. And I feel that all that time would be for not. Those kind of feelings will stifle any chance that budding entrepreneurs will apply themselves to do better.

Why? To give it to someone else? Look, we both know the city. Tell me you don't see how they (and 'they' is anyone on the system for a while) know how to work the system. Just north of St. Aubin they won't even send out a social workers to make sure the children on AID even exist, so they just put whatever number they want on the forms.

When I think that I might have thrown away my younger years and worked hard to give it away, well, it makes me sick. For what? A thank you. In the ghetto the way it works is. They steal from you until you have what they have-nothing. Will you take care of me? Will anyone here take care of me? I don't have a pension plan. I have what I saved to go me into my old age. That patent is my pension. Okay, okay, I'm not old enough to retire and I'll never retire, now that I like what I do.

So that's the real reason I feel that way. I do know that northern Michigan has lots of people on assistance, but I don't live there, I live here. And this is what I see.

I want you to know that I wasn't a bad employer. In 1999, when I sold my business I had 26 employees; 24 full-time, 2 part-time. The full-timers had blue cross after 90 days, 2 weeks paid vacation the first year, 3 weeks the second year and I paid Professional cleaners $12 to $15/hour to start, my top cleaner made $22/hour and I skill tested them before they started. But, because they were Pros we covered a million sq. ft. a night. And nothing was ever missing. What I'm saying is I understand how hard it is for the working guy. Employers should know that you get what you pay for. Those Pros made me and I know it.

I mean no malice to anyone. I think with my mindset I need to live in Alaska or Montana.

Peace to you.

Edit: That amount per hour is very good for housekeepers with benefits.
 

Meraxes

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what was your take on the getto there? you seem to have deleted it. watching Cal v Oregon. red sox fan, i cant watch baseball right now
 

Winter Woman

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Can't watch baseball? My husband lives for baseball, football, golf, hockey...

I didn't leave out the ghetto. I was trying not to be too negative. You aren't from the D, are you? You want my take on the Detroit ghetto? Actually, what I see is pretty sad, I guess there are some bright spots.

I see hard working people that have worked their whole lives and paid off their houses and did what they were supposed to do. They are surrounded by gangs, thugs, abandoned homes, hookers, and they are scared to death. They lock themselves into their homes starting about 3 in the afternoon ( the time that school lets out). Not everyone is that way, but far too many are.

The kids get to play in crappy parks that the city nor the surrounding neighbors care to maintain. They aren't safe with glass everywhere. It's the kids that pay the price. The school system in Detroit sucks. The teachers and administration need to be held accountable. Teachers selling off equipment and admin stealing money. In the supply chain they need to arrest and convict the thieves down in central receiving. Is the DPS insane? Giving all kids a laptop, this is Detroit! How long will the child have those before they are sold off. I, do, realize that not everyone is like that. Two of the best doctors I know of are both neurosurgeons came out of the DPS. One they made a movie about.

I noticed a real change in Detroit when the first round of crack babies came of age. It used to be if you were robbed they just tied you up, put you in a locked room or told you to start walking and don't look back. Now they would rather shoot you than look at you. Scary, very scary. My husband owned a business in Detroit for many years, right in the heart of the D. The retirees in the area would come over and have a beer with us during the day. They said that the crack babies are different, they have no conscience, like something was missing that would stop a normal person but they just don't have it.

There's a Habitat for Humanity neighborhood on the westside. The city needed the occupancy numbers to be higher so they could get more funding. A few of the homes had been taken back by Habitat and stood empty. Because finding and placing new owners in those homes would take too long, they tore them down. They weren't even 5 years old.

The fire department had too many old, non-working, fire trucks and other vehicles laying around and the newspapers got wind of it. So at 4 am one morning while going to work I witnessed tow truck after tow truck taking the fire trucks to the scrap yard where they were crushed. They were repairable. Why crush them? Because most of the mechanics for the city do not know how to repair trucks, cars yes, trucks no. Why crush them? So the statistic would like good and shut up the papers.

I decided that I was done with the D. When a friendly competitor was robbed just down the street and they shot the secretary in the back. She was trying to be a pro bowler. She now has to use a cane to walk.

Years ago, my hubby was going to work at 3:30 am, driving an old pick up truck without power locks (told you it was old). He stopped at a red light at Dexter and Davison. A shadow appeared between 2 parked cars and he opened the side door on the truck and got in. He put a gun to his side and told him to pull into the next alley. He then put the gun to my husband's head and told him to lay down on the front seat. He did as told. The gunman took everything he had and then took the truck keys out of the ignition and threw them down the alley and said, 'count to a 100 if I see your cracker head come up, I'll come back and cap you.' My husband said he counted to 1,000.

He found a pay phone and called the police. Get this they asked my husband was anyone hurt? No. Well, then when you find your car keys you can drive yourself to a police station and make a report. No police ever came. Period. Robbed at gun point and the police didn't come!

We supplied juice drinks and milk to the DPS for the big 'Get your kids their shots' days on Belle Isle. We supplied drinks for over 3,000 people and were never paid by the city. They always came up with an excuse needing this or that. Then they called the next year for us to deliver drinks again!?! I'd like to know who got our money?

Me? I think that the hogs have been feeding at the trough for so long they don't know how to stop. They don't realize that the patient is almost dead. I have way too many stories to tell about the D.

Edit: The suburbanites can't fix it for them. They need to vote the bastards out of office. The changes need to come from the inside, because it can't be fixed without them taking a firm stand.
 

Winter Woman

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Just found out that the Occupy is going to be at the Fed Reserve. When you're on Warren Ave. facing the Fed turn around and that was where we had a shop for a few years. It's 7 stories you can't miss it, it has huge holes in the side of the building from being stripped. The building behind it is where the police park their drug and tactical units, so be careful.

Gangsters used to shoot through our yard and hit the police building behind it for fun. It used to freaked my ass out.
 

Meraxes

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i'm in new england but detroit is all over tthe news all the time. you remember that basketball game a couple years back? i was watching that live and couldnt believe my eyes. i thought it was the beginning of the collapse of society. the NRA can kinda kiss my ass on this one but they need heavy gun control in that state, at least in the city. somehow i think they let the crack happen, because if all the black folks who predominately vote dem are all messed up on crack, they wont vote. so repub attitude is defund and let these poor folks rot. it happened to a lot of our cities under Reagan, actually. you should research reagan and the drug wars, contras, and how he publicly states drug war this and that, yet crack flowed incredibly easy into our cities. ever read about his latin american exploits, his top advisors making deals with drug lords. think thats nonsense just google drug wars 1980's. all i'm saying is there may be a genesis to these problems, and i'm pretty sure it was to divide, conquer, and achive power any way possible. i'm sorry, you can probably tell i detest republicans. dont mind liberatarians tho. you sound like a good one, just try not to let fear govern your ideals and morality is all.
 

Winter Woman

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I'm a non-party kinda gal. There is such a disconnect between the ruling class in DC, the state capitols and the people it's sicking. I wish there was someone who was socially lib, but fiscally conservative, they just don't seem to exist.

Sorry, but unless you've been in the D you don't realize that guns in the hands of the honest homeowners is a requirement to exist. They powerbrokers look the other way, because they are paid to look the other way. I know of one cop that was murdered by his fellow cops for talking out of turn. At least that's what the street said.

Oh Nancy Reagan made me sick and still does with her just say no to drugs. That's okay, d and r's make me ill. They both are losers, just the D's more than the R's that's all.

i'm in new england but detroit is all over tthe news all the time. you remember that basketball game a couple years back? i was watching that live and couldnt believe my eyes. i thought it was the beginning of the collapse of society. the NRA can kinda kiss my ass on this one but they need heavy gun control in that state, at least in the city. somehow i think they let the crack happen, because if all the black folks who predominately vote dem are all messed up on crack, they wont vote. so repub attitude is defund and let these poor folks rot. it happened to a lot of our cities under Reagan, actually. you should research reagan and the drug wars, contras, and how he publicly states drug war this and that, yet crack flowed incredibly easy into our cities. ever read about his latin american exploits, his top advisors making deals with drug lords. think thats nonsense just google drug wars 1980's. all i'm saying is there may be a genesis to these problems, and i'm pretty sure it was to divide, conquer, and achive power any way possible. i'm sorry, you can probably tell i detest republicans. dont mind liberatarians tho. you sound like a good one, just try not to let fear govern your ideals and morality is all.
 

Winter Woman

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About letting drugs in the city as a R idea, I think you give them too much credit. I think they need to defund so the D will die and be resurrected. When there is no money the fiscal vampires will leave or be hounded out and rightfully so. They need to bulldoze entire neighborhoods. There are great places in the D, but you have to know where they are and you have to travel through what I call the combat zone to get there.

Gun ownership by the good people of the D is almost a requirement.

i'm in new england but detroit is all over tthe news all the time. you remember that basketball game a couple years back? i was watching that live and couldnt believe my eyes. i thought it was the beginning of the collapse of society. the NRA can kinda kiss my ass on this one but they need heavy gun control in that state, at least in the city. somehow i think they let the crack happen, because if all the black folks who predominately vote dem are all messed up on crack, they wont vote. so repub attitude is defund and let these poor folks rot. it happened to a lot of our cities under Reagan, actually. you should research reagan and the drug wars, contras, and how he publicly states drug war this and that, yet crack flowed incredibly easy into our cities. ever read about his latin american exploits, his top advisors making deals with drug lords. think thats nonsense just google drug wars 1980's. all i'm saying is there may be a genesis to these problems, and i'm pretty sure it was to divide, conquer, and achive power any way possible. i'm sorry, you can probably tell i detest republicans. dont mind liberatarians tho. you sound like a good one, just try not to let fear govern your ideals and morality is all.
 

Winter Woman

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No, you're not a loser. I think you care, it's just hard when a great city dies, kinda like Pittsburgh and St Louis.
 

Meraxes

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maybe a heavy infusion of technology would work. high speed rail, building things, mending bridges. i mean if a place has been ugly for a long time, why not invest and give it a huge makeover. if the people see progress, it might change perceptions in the city and in the streets. kinda like a fish tank where if you clean the algae and gunk out of the filter, the fish are happier. you guys need a plecostomus!
 
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