Nutrient companies are stealing our / your money. Lets talk about it!

pk_boosted2 said:

To answer ur question easily. Companies like AN developed a lineup so u can create ur nutrient profile specific to the needs of individual strains. They also have nutrients in so many bottles bcuz they understand that in order to have direct control of ur grows u need to be able to use certain amounts of macro and micro nutrients and other elements bcuz every strain grows differently

There isnt just one bottle of anything that can provide all of the needs of ur plants so they provide everything u need to use in each form so u can apply them as needed.

Also AN nutrients r chelated and broken down to the best possible form for plant uptake. U cant provide everything in one bottle bcuz if u tried to the solutions would become suspended and separate and wouldnt work properly. Therefore they put them in different solutions and suspensions so u can deliver them to ur plants for optimal growth and production. AN is a very reputable company and their products are some of the best in class in each specific area they target.

U also dont need to use "15" bottles of anything to get good results. They simply offer and can provide them as u need them.

All u need from AN to get good results is one of their bases which are very inexpensive bcuz they r not only highly concentrated but also chelated for optimal uptake. They last a very long time as u dont need much of them to provide all essential elements for ur plants.

So after u get their bases all u need to grow is 4 things:
Voodoo Juice
B-52
Big Bud
Overdrive

The other products they offer are simply for piece of mind and for optimal results.
Rhino Skin - Mag and Silicates
Piranaha & Tarantula - Bene's & Microbes
Bud Candy - carbohydrates

I use most of their lineup for my grows and I can promise you and anyone else that it is well worth the money. Not only do you get superb quality flowers but they produce massive yields and huge flowers!!

I also like Canna and I think that is the best on the market all around and easiest to use. The whole lineup is only 5 things:
*Bases (a&b)
*Canna-Boost (Best product of its kind and is by far best Bloom Enhancer on the market it is 2nd to none) many companies try to make their own version but nothing comes close.. It is most exp partof the lineup but is by far the best on the market hands down!!
*PK 13:14
*Cannazyme
**** Only thing I recommend adding is the H&G Roots Excellurator which is the best product of its kind on the market for root innoculation and enhancement period.

If u wanna go cheaper route but give up final yield but focus on quality I recommend Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Series
Its easy to use. Comes w one base that works very well as a stand alone nutrient without needing kuch of anything else and it is very inexpensive.

I run the Veg & Bloom
Cal-Mag
Silicate
Hydroplex
H&G Roots Excel.
Atami Bloombastic
Sweet Raw Natural
And I average 1.5-1.75 per 1000w lamp. That being said I do get less overall yield but the quality of the flowers: smell, taste, aroma and potency is right up their with AN & Canna.

As far as GO 3-Part although the bases r very inexpensive the plants in order to get great results u still need to substitute other amendments and supplements to maximize yield and quality. Its a synthetic nutrient and doesnt produce the falvors aromas and consistency I find in AN, Canna or Botanicare; but I do know many big time growers who love the 3-Part bcuz it is cheap and easy to use. The only down side for me as mentioned is quality and yield, without alot of other by products it not in the top tier of nutrient bases available on market I consider it to be bottom tier or mid-tier nutrient as a whole.

I do like the GO General Organic line up though. Its alot of bottles and is priced fairly but it provides some very nice quality flowers without sacrificing alot of yield either. All around its great product if u wanna go organic and price is fairly reasonable.

As ppl mention IMO Dyna-Gro, Jack's, Humboldt County, Dutch Masters, Atami are bottom of the barrel nutrients. They dont produce good yields, the quality is terrible, and aroma and flavor is awful. Since these products are primarily pure synthetics that is a given. If u dont have $$ any of them will work as they are cheap as the dirt u use but I would never use any of them to grow at all.

In this business ur input is as only good as ur output. Meaning you pay for what u get. So go with #1 Canna #2 Adv Nutrients #3 H&G #4 Botanicare #5 Complete Nutrients (new product very good all around nutrients - combination between AN and Canna - but very expensive and not as good as either of those companies as its a "knock-off" brand.

Ppl can argue all they want there is a reason that Canna - AN and Botanicare are the leading MJ nutrients in the world. You pay for what you get. When u compare your input (cost up front) for your output "ROI" (return on investment) using any of the mentioned products I use with out perform and of those cheaper products on the market hands down.

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phil k said:

i am in no way at all joking with you .. in ann arbor, MI at "the grow show" theres a guy there that has braids and glasses he runs hydro ... we have talked for years about his insane chemical amounts and his last flower in winter was running 3800-3900ppm and I SHIT YOU NOT he thought for some reason he was this god for running PPM levels that high..

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ttystikk said:

AN = Anal Pedophiles. One of the owners was indicted in Europe on charges of sodomizing a fifteen year old girl in Eastern Europe. That sounds real reputable to me.

All that blather about different strains needing different formulations is complete bullshit! A minor tweak at the very most, that's all any need. Hello? They're all just different strains of the same thing!

I have my nutrients broken down into four packages of dry salts and they work just fine... no fancy labels, no ridiculous costs, no library of half used bottles:

1. Base mix, 5-11-26 with micros
2. Yara Liva brand calcium nitrate
3. Haifa brand MKP
4. Epsom salt

That's all you need, folks!

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pk_boosted2 said:

People can argue all they want but i guarantee half the ppl on here arguing about Canna - AN etcc.. Have never even used the products but seem to have the most shit to say about them.

Like i said these ppl r either to cheap, dont have the money or just hate on products they cant afford or think arent worth the money but have never even used the shit to know better.

Ive used almost all of them so I can say for 100% all nutrients are not created equal. Dont give fck what anyone wanna say about it. Dyna gro is garbage. And so is Jacks classic. Theres a reason noone commercially or in big grows uses this shit. Its all synthetic its cheap as dirt and thats for a reason! Period.

If that shit was so good than none of these other companies would be in business. If dynagro and jacks was so fckin good than how come noone uses it to grow commercially or on large scale grows for any of the grows if the cost analysis was so low? At end of the day ppl in MJ business are out to make money yet more than half of all major distributors and large growers for dispensaries and green houses throughout the country use one of the major MJ specific growing nutrients whether it be AN - Canna / GH or Botanicare.
So please explain that to me and than ill stop.

How come noone uses it just explain that to me? Show me proof because I know it doesnt exist its that simple. That shit is used for nurseries and gardening not for MJ. These big growing warehouses and green houses that grow for profit and purpose dontuse the shit and if it so good and so cheap please explain to me why they wouldnt wanna use it to save so much money because the price and costs analysis would ultimately save them hundreds of thousands of dollars on nutrient each year? But they still spend money on expensive bottled nutrients from such companies. Once u explain that than I will stop. Proof is in the pudding the shit is garbage and any real grower knows that.

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pk_boosted2 said:

First of all I dont work for AN or for anyone for a matter of fact. Im simply stating what I know to be true from my perspective in growing for past decade. Anything I say is my experiences and my knowledge on the facts that I have established during many trial and errors.

Like I've mentioned millions of times before. Anyone can use anything to grow thse plants and produce flowers. BUT* when I look at my input to output.. Using high end ferts like Canna.. AN. And other "watered down bottle MJ specific nutrients" my results speak for themselves. Yield. Quality. Aroma. Smell and overall plant health always come out better when I use one of these products opposed to the cheaper ones I mention all the time.

Jacks Classic, Dyna-Gro.. GH gen organics they dont even hold a flame to what I get off my "expensive bottled nutrients".

Until someone proves me otherwise I am stickin to that 110%. and like i said all of them work. But u do not get the results u can get if u use better nutrients. Im tired of hearing about raw salts and making ur own shit to save money. Why do that when u got companies who spend millions per year on research and development who r plant scientists that developed the recipes and give u the products that work the best with money back guarantee.

What other company gives u 100% mone back guarantees? Noone. Ive returned shit i didnt like no questions asked. Anyways this is one of them arguments that eill go on forever so im done but whatever

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unspecified said:

In a June 2013 ruling, the US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Washington, DC said it was inevitable, as the farmers’ argued, that contamination from Monsanto’s products would occur. Yet the appeals panel also said the plaintiffs do not have standing to prohibit Monsanto from suing them should the company’s genetic traits end up on their holdings "because Monsanto has made binding assurances that it will not 'take legal action against growers whose crops might inadvertently contain traces of Monsanto biotech genes (because, for example, some transgenic seed or pollen blew onto the grower's land).'"

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phil k said:

have you ever stuck a PPM meter on bottled water?? evian.. runs 300+ppm my tap is 176ppm.... no filter.. HELLO wake up we are all being screwed more than we know.

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pk_boosted2 said:

People can argue all they want but i guarantee half the ppl on here arguing about Canna - AN etcc.. Have never even used the products but seem to have the most shit to say about them.

Like i said these ppl r either to cheap, dont have the money or just hate on products they cant afford or think arent worth the money but have never even used the shit to know better.

Ive used almost all of them so I can say for 100% all nutrients are not created equal. Dont give fck what anyone wanna say about it. Dyna gro is garbage. And so is Jacks classic. Theres a reason noone commercially or in big grows uses this shit. Its all synthetic its cheap as dirt and thats for a reason! Period.

If that shit was so good than none of these other companies would be in business. If dynagro and jacks was so fckin good than how come noone uses it to grow commercially or on large scale grows for any of the grows if the cost analysis was so low? At end of the day ppl in MJ business are out to make money yet more than half of all major distributors and large growers for dispensaries and green houses throughout the country use one of the major MJ specific growing nutrients whether it be AN - Canna / GH or Botanicare.
So please explain that to me and than ill stop.

How come noone uses it just explain that to me? Show me proof because I know it doesnt exist its that simple. That shit is used for nurseries and gardening not for MJ. These big growing warehouses and green houses that grow for profit and purpose dontuse the shit and if it so good and so cheap please explain to me why they wouldnt wanna use it to save so much money because the price and costs analysis would ultimately save them hundreds of thousands of dollars on nutrient each year? But they still spend money on expensive bottled nutrients from such companies. Once u explain that than I will stop. Proof is in the pudding the shit is garbage and any real grower knows that.

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Dr. Who said:

I farm..Monsatan LIES!!!

If you farm soy in your rotation (not Monsatan's) and it gets cross pollinated by your neighbor's Monsatan soy.....and you try and clean a portion of your harvest for replant the next year following the corn of last year. If Monsatan finds out......They WILL sue you!
They have paid spy's that watch out for this. NO SHIT!



Evian water. From France. First bottled water sold in the US........What is Evian backwards?

NAIVE

adjective na·ive \nä-ˈēv, nī-\
: having or showing a lack of experience or knowledge : innocent or simple


Doc

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pk_boosted2 said:

Im not here to be God and judge people morality at all. Im just explaining reasoning why they have so many bottles in their lineup. They just offer them for anyone who wants to dial in specific nutrient profiles etcc...

They will even tel u if u ask them what the basic shit u need to use for good results and they will tell u right at customer support or any of the division managers that all u need is 5 things from their lineup to grow good flowers.

Bases
Voodoo Juice
Big Bud
Overdrive
B-52

Thats all u need from Advanced and u can get great results. But if u want the push and dial in a strain if u use the rest of the lineup give or take it will yield better and quality increases. I honor this bcuz I use AN and have been for a long time. It truly is one of the best MJ specific nutrients on the market. Im a firm believe of u paying for what u get. Which is why I also love Canna lineup and their products easy to use and well made and they are 2nd to noone.

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pk_boosted2 said:

First of all I dont work for AN or for anyone for a matter of fact. Im simply stating what I know to be true from my perspective in growing for past decade. Anything I say is my experiences and my knowledge on the facts that I have established during many trial and errors.

Like I've mentioned millions of times before. Anyone can use anything to grow thse plants and produce flowers. BUT* when I look at my input to output.. Using high end ferts like Canna.. AN. And other "watered down bottle MJ specific nutrients" my results speak for themselves. Yield. Quality. Aroma. Smell and overall plant health always come out better when I use one of these products opposed to the cheaper ones I mention all the time.

Jacks Classic, Dyna-Gro.. GH gen organics they dont even hold a flame to what I get off my "expensive bottled nutrients".

Until someone proves me otherwise I am stickin to that 110%. and like i said all of them work. But u do not get the results u can get if u use better nutrients. Im tired of hearing about raw salts and making ur own shit to save money. Why do that when u got companies who spend millions per year on research and development who r plant scientists that developed the recipes and give u the products that work the best with money back guarantee.

What other company gives u 100% mone back guarantees? Noone. Ive returned shit i didnt like no questions asked. Anyways this is one of them arguments that eill go on forever so im done but whatever

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anzohaze said:

Get Off Your High Horse. Them bottlers don't spend million you have people here that spend 40 dollars and have many years supply of mutes salts As they make there own. I am organic no bottles no nothing it cost me roughly a 100 dollars for 2 years of run time except electricity. Bottles are for suckers. you spend a 1000 with me and you want to return sure I'll let you return it I just made 995 dollars on you

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Dr. Who said:

You SURE as fuck SOUND like you work for them!!!

READ THIS !
I know, I know. The mag is AN's propaganda rag. BUT, this is a good article !!
https://bigbudsmag.com/scotts-miracle-gro-buys-general-hydroponics-marijuana-growers/


How about you get real and skip damn synthetics all together,, (and YES ,, AN is mainly a synthetic line!) and grow a water only organic soil grow and see what it CAN do......It took me a awhile to dial my soil in. But, I can get just the same, if not better results then you with your AN crap!

GROW with nature! NOT synthetic chemicals!

Yes, I still give synthetic advise. I've done it all. I always return to organic water only soil.....

Btw....the synthetic's I point people to.

Hesi (skip the Roots and SuperVit and use a good Kelp extract like Age Old)
Dyna - Gro
Canna (costly)



FUCKING EXACTLY !!!

Not to mention that in the next 30 years or so,,,,,the natural mined P will be about used up.....They are already comming up with synthetic P.......Hmm

Everything we see growing has been doing so for eons by nature, in soil, organically......We always try and make things better.....ever notice how often that comes back to bite us in the ass!!

My soil formula is "hot"....It runs at the edge.....I can do what synthetics can and only water when it needs it......Once in a while I do a simple bio tea - water/EWC/molasses 32 - 36 hrs and water with that......You can make fert teas and do that if you want for nutrition organically. You don't have to do water only soil......It's just easier that way!

Doc

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pk_boosted2 said:

U get for what u pay for. U want cheap results than use cheap nutrients so do what u want. Ill stick to paying for my watered down bottled nutrients and pullin down premium grade A and getting my 2 lbs a light and im fine w that.

I know plenty of ppl who tried that dyna gro and jacks and they never went back cuz its doo doo.

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pk_boosted2 said:

You def dont know about AN if u think its all synthetics they have complete organic line ups and its a blend of synthetic and organics.

But that besides the point. I dont even use their lineup right now as i mainly just do organic grows bcuz thats what my dispensaries and customers want.

U can argue all u want im just tired of hearing ppl slam nutrient companies they have never used and r just repeating shit someone else said. I cud give a fck what u use. Im just tellin u that Canna and AN r the two best nutrients u can use to grow w optimal results both yield and quality.

Anyone who tells me they r a top grower and use jacks or dyna gro is laughable. I wont even listen to any of that non sense. Cuz i know what that crap does and its garbage.

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pk_boosted2 said:

U get for what u pay for. U want cheap results than use cheap nutrients so do what u want. Ill stick to paying for my watered down bottled nutrients and pullin down premium grade A and getting my 2 lbs a light and im fine w that.

I know plenty of ppl who tried that dyna gro and jacks and they never went back cuz its doo doo.

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