kinddiesel
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is there a flue going around where your stomach hurts like a mother fucker or is it just me ?
not mj or plant related. any body else having severy stomach pains ?
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SpaaaceCowboy
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Weird you said that....upstate ny here and my gf has been complaining about stomach pains for the last week.....I thought it might be stress though as we may be on the cusp of a breakup after 9 yrs together
Ace Yonder
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Are you thinking you may have gotten this flu from the message boards? If so, please don't respond to this directly as you may still be contagious
Blazin Purps
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I remember reading a thread about marijuana causing chronic stomach pain in some people sometimes appearing out of nowhere after years of use. I will look for the thread but here is the topic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_hyperemesis_syndrome
Personally when I have a stomach ache/ the flu/ sick at all smoking makes me feel better in every aspect.
Personally when I have a stomach ache/ the flu/ sick at all smoking makes me feel better in every aspect.
greasemonkeymann
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I sympathize, I had a 13 yr relationship end about 4 yrs ago.
Not easy....
I wish you two the most luck
SpaaaceCowboy
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thanks, we are now back together ! It's now 10 years together...When you are with someone that long, it's hard to live without the other person I've found.
BDOGKush
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Please don't perpetuate that load of bs.
Blazin Purps
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How do you know it is BS? I do not have first hand experience with this I have just read information published online about the subject so I brought it up for discussion. Not being argumentative here just having a civil discussion.
FresnoFarmer
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Stomach pain=gas. Let it blow
Ace Yonder
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The biggest piece of evidence that it is BS is the fact that the first study cited in that article involved ONE patient, and the LARGER study consisted of merely 98 patients. Not really what I would call meaningful sample sizes. Also when you actually go on to read some of the sources cited at the bottom of the page you find things like this; "The first published cases of cannabinoid hyperemesis were reported by Allen and colleagues in 2004. This article spurred some interest in clinicians and several other case reports were published (see Table 1). However, the article also spurred some debate. Byrne and colleagues (2006) posited that “alternative explanations (of symptoms) need to be sought” and that the syndrome “should not be accepted as being caused by cannabis without additional reports and other evidence”. Although several case reports have been published, there remains to be any accepted explanation of symptoms." Which is basically them saying that the studies may have found whatever, but the validity of the studies isn't there, and thus the conclusions are pretty much worthless. Also, as a side note, "Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome" is a pretty ominous name for tummy aches which "... have been reported to be alleviated temporarily by taking a hot shower or bath...". It's just bunk science with a very obvious agenda extrapolating from far too small a sample size and jumping to conclusions that fit their needs. Just because someone wrote an article about it doesn't make it a real thing, at all. Like, at all at all. I'm putting my chips on the "Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome Doesn't Exist" side of the table.
P.S. This is the list under "Table 1" of "Harmful Effects of Cannabinoids on Body Systems". I suggest everyone look it over, see if everything here seems legit. Maybe pick out your favorites. I have a couple, I highlighted them in bold for you. These all TOTALLY seem like legit, actual things that pot causes (Sarcasm. This list is garbage, and indicative of the agenda of the studies)
Table 1
Harmful effects of cannabinoids on body systems[1,6,7]
Cognitive and mental health
Impaired memory
Impaired attention, organization and integration of complex information
Association with schizophrenia
Increased risk for depression
Pulmonary
Carcinogenic effect
Obstructive lung disease
Increased propensity toward infections
Acute and chronic bronchitis
Behavioural
Weapon possession and physical fighting
Unwanted and unprotected sexual encounters
Unwanted pregnancies
School dropout
Amotivational syndrome
Impairment of driving skill and coordination
Endocrine
Decreased testosterone, sperm motility and production, disruption of ovulatory cycle
Pregnancy
Low birth weight
Problems with attention, memory and higher cognitive function
Cardiovascular
Stroke
Dose-dependent increase in HR
Orthostasis
Decreased exercise tolerance
Precipitation of angina or myocardial infarction
Just so we are all clear. There has never, ever, in all of history, been a death caused by cannabis use. If Cannabis caused Strokes and Myocardial Infarctions (Heart Attacks) as this list claims, there would DEFINITELY have been deaths from cannabis. Like, a LOT of deaths. This is the kind of baseless garbage that allows them to keep pot illegal as a schedule 1 drug with "No accepted medical uses". Also, I like how not only does cannabis cause (According to them) Unwanted Pregnancies, it also causes plain old Pregnancy, which leads me to believe they think that smoking pot can actually make you pregnant, with no sex involved.
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treemansbuds
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My sister had suffered from cyclic vomiting syndrome for 15+ years. She's sought medical advise for her condition, had her gull bladder removed, spent thousands of dollars seeking relief from her condition.....nothing, all for not! She's been to seminars looking for answers, hours and hours of research on the subject....nothing. Then she discovered an article about the relation between marijuana use and cyclic vomiting syndrome. She was an every day user before, wake n bake to putting down the pipe just before she retired for the night.
She stopped smoking/using about 8 months ago and not 1 episode since. She's been vomit/sick free the whole time. She's never gone more than a few weeks without an episode in the past.
So Ace/BDOG it's not bullshit, it exists!
TMB-
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Ace Yonder
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I'm glad to hear that that worked for your sister, but that is hardly proof. There are many other possible explanations, and no one has even offered a possible mechanism by which cannabis supposedly causes this nausea. Psychosomatic pain and the placebo effect of believing you have found a cure is actually a more likely explanation, as there is much more supporting evidence behind it than there is behind these studies.
P.S. Also breathing smoke of any kind and coughing can stimulate gag reflex and vomiting, especially if you don't give yourself a break.
treemansbuds
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You can say nothing to make me think different, I've lived it for 15 years, seen it first hand. She doesn't want to stop smoking, she enjoys smoking and the other benefits of marijuana. The placebo effect theory is bullshit to, if that were the case all the other treatments tried before hand would have worked, there have been dozens. The smoking doesn't trigger the "gag" reflex which stimulates the vomiting like your thinking, she can be at work, not smoked for hours then an episode occurs.
The way I see it is that your just a stoner on a pot growing site that has a strong opinion of marijuana and it's benefits, and I agree marijuana has many benefits. BUT, I've lived it, seen it, been around it first hand and KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THIS CONDITION EXISTS! SHE"S BETTER NOW FROM not SMOKING/USING POT! YOU ARE WRONG MY FRIEND!
I kind of blew up there, sorry, but you can't tell me that it's bullshit when it's been in my face for 15 years, then when the pot goes so does her illness, definitely related.
TMB-
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Ace Yonder
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I understand that you believe what you believe, but until you, or anyone, offers some actual explanation of the mechanism by which cannabis causes this problem, I will remain skeptical. I'm not saying pot has no drawbacks or side effects, but I am also very familiar with the chemistry involved in cannabis use and its effects on the body, and I have read all the studies involved in this particular discussion, and none of them offer anything more than vague anecdotal evidence, there isn't a shred of actual, provable, causality. Offer evidence of HOW pot causes this "Syndrome" and I am open to changing my mind, but "She stopped using pot and the problem went away" is NOT proof of pot being the problem. There are far too many variables in play, and if you have any interest in science and understanding of the scientific method you should understand that, and that there is a huge difference between Correlation and Causation, and all that these studies, and your sister's experience, show is at best a correlation. Causation has to be proved by more than just anecdotal evidence. You need to find the chemical/biological mechanism of action.
FresnoFarmer
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I had my gall bladder removed recently. It felt like somebody shoved a samurai sword into my belly button until they removed it.
Ace Yonder
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No fun, I hope you're feelin' better now!! I had a friend who's gall bladder adhesed to her abdominal wall and became necrotic, the difference after she had it removed was unbelievable. Doc said if she hadn't gotten it out she coulda died from blood poisoning within a couple of months. Having my appendix and gall bladder and tonsils all still inside me makes me feel like a ticking time bomb sometimes
Well if you were a little bit more opened minded, perhaps you'd spend a few minutes doing a google search:
"It has been hypothesized that the principal psychoactive constituent of the cannabis plant, Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the causative agent in CHS [3]. THC has been shown to cause delayed gastric emptying and thermoregulatory disturbances via action on the cannabinoid receptor type 1 (CB1) in the enteric plexus and central nervous system, respectively [5]. Chronic stimulation of the CB1 receptors may result in the development of the gastrointestinal and thermodysregulation symptoms in sensitive patients [6], though more research needs to be conducted to further elucidate what factors may predispose certain patients."
Just because you don't have symptoms, doesn't mean others don't. If you'd just said, "more research would be helpful", and left it at that, nobody would disagree with you. To claim the diagnose is complete B.S. is about as useful as ... well you know what.
Cheers.