kinddiesel
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is there a flue going around where your stomach hurts like a mother fucker or is it just me ?
I sympathize, I had a 13 yr relationship end about 4 yrs ago.Weird you said that....upstate ny here and my gf has been complaining about stomach pains for the last week.....I thought it might be stress though as we may be on the cusp of a breakup after 9 yrs together
thanks, we are now back together ! It's now 10 years together...When you are with someone that long, it's hard to live without the other person I've found.I sympathize, I had a 13 yr relationship end about 4 yrs ago.
Not easy....
I wish you two the most luck
Please don't perpetuate that load of bs.I remember reading a thread about marijuana causing chronic stomach pain in some people sometimes appearing out of nowhere after years of use. I will look for the thread but here is the topic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_hyperemesis_syndrome
Personally when I have a stomach ache/ the flu/ sick at all smoking makes me feel better in every aspect.
How do you know it is BS? I do not have first hand experience with this I have just read information published online about the subject so I brought it up for discussion. Not being argumentative here just having a civil discussion.Please don't perpetuate that load of bs.
The biggest piece of evidence that it is BS is the fact that the first study cited in that article involved ONE patient, and the LARGER study consisted of merely 98 patients. Not really what I would call meaningful sample sizes. Also when you actually go on to read some of the sources cited at the bottom of the page you find things like this; "The first published cases of cannabinoid hyperemesis were reported by Allen and colleagues in 2004. This article spurred some interest in clinicians and several other case reports were published (see Table 1). However, the article also spurred some debate. Byrne and colleagues (2006) posited that “alternative explanations (of symptoms) need to be sought” and that the syndrome “should not be accepted as being caused by cannabis without additional reports and other evidence”. Although several case reports have been published, there remains to be any accepted explanation of symptoms." Which is basically them saying that the studies may have found whatever, but the validity of the studies isn't there, and thus the conclusions are pretty much worthless. Also, as a side note, "Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome" is a pretty ominous name for tummy aches which "... have been reported to be alleviated temporarily by taking a hot shower or bath...". It's just bunk science with a very obvious agenda extrapolating from far too small a sample size and jumping to conclusions that fit their needs. Just because someone wrote an article about it doesn't make it a real thing, at all. Like, at all at all. I'm putting my chips on the "Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome Doesn't Exist" side of the table.How do you know it is BS? I do not have first hand experience with this I have just read information published online about the subject so I brought it up for discussion. Not being argumentative here just having a civil discussion.
My sister had suffered from cyclic vomiting syndrome for 15+ years. She's sought medical advise for her condition, had her gull bladder removed, spent thousands of dollars seeking relief from her condition.....nothing, all for not! She's been to seminars looking for answers, hours and hours of research on the subject....nothing. Then she discovered an article about the relation between marijuana use and cyclic vomiting syndrome. She was an every day user before, wake n bake to putting down the pipe just before she retired for the night.I remember reading a thread about marijuana causing chronic stomach pain in some people sometimes appearing out of nowhere after years of use. I will look for the thread but here is the topic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabinoid_hyperemesis_syndrome
Personally when I have a stomach ache/ the flu/ sick at all smoking makes me feel better in every aspect.
I'm glad to hear that that worked for your sister, but that is hardly proof. There are many other possible explanations, and no one has even offered a possible mechanism by which cannabis supposedly causes this nausea. Psychosomatic pain and the placebo effect of believing you have found a cure is actually a more likely explanation, as there is much more supporting evidence behind it than there is behind these studies.My sister had suffered from cyclic vomiting syndrome for 15+ years. She's sought medical advise for her condition, had her gull bladder removed, spent thousands of dollars seeking relief from her condition.....nothing, all for not! She's been to seminars looking for answers, hours and hours of research on the subject....nothing. Then she discovered an article about the relation between marijuana use and cyclic vomiting syndrome. She was an every day user before, wake n bake to putting down the pipe just before she retired for the night.
She stopped smoking/using about 8 months ago and not 1 episode since. She's been vomit/sick free the whole time. She's never gone more than a few weeks without an episode in the past.
So Ace/BDOG it's not bullshit, it exists!
TMB-
You can say nothing to make me think different, I've lived it for 15 years, seen it first hand. She doesn't want to stop smoking, she enjoys smoking and the other benefits of marijuana. The placebo effect theory is bullshit to, if that were the case all the other treatments tried before hand would have worked, there have been dozens. The smoking doesn't trigger the "gag" reflex which stimulates the vomiting like your thinking, she can be at work, not smoked for hours then an episode occurs.I'm glad to hear that that worked for your sister, but that is hardly proof. There are many other possible explanations, and no one has even offered a possible mechanism by which cannabis supposedly causes this nausea. Psychosomatic pain and the placebo effect of believing you have found a cure is actually a more likely explanation, as there is much more supporting evidence behind it than there is behind these studies.
P.S. Also breathing smoke of any kind and coughing can stimulate gag reflex and vomiting, especially if you don't give yourself a break.
I understand that you believe what you believe, but until you, or anyone, offers some actual explanation of the mechanism by which cannabis causes this problem, I will remain skeptical. I'm not saying pot has no drawbacks or side effects, but I am also very familiar with the chemistry involved in cannabis use and its effects on the body, and I have read all the studies involved in this particular discussion, and none of them offer anything more than vague anecdotal evidence, there isn't a shred of actual, provable, causality. Offer evidence of HOW pot causes this "Syndrome" and I am open to changing my mind, but "She stopped using pot and the problem went away" is NOT proof of pot being the problem. There are far too many variables in play, and if you have any interest in science and understanding of the scientific method you should understand that, and that there is a huge difference between Correlation and Causation, and all that these studies, and your sister's experience, show is at best a correlation. Causation has to be proved by more than just anecdotal evidence. You need to find the chemical/biological mechanism of action.You can say nothing to make me think different, I've lived it for 15 years, seen it first hand. She doesn't want to stop smoking, she enjoys smoking and the other benefits of marijuana. The placebo effect theory is bullshit to, if that were the case all the other treatments tried before hand would have worked, there have been dozens. The smoking doesn't trigger the "gag" reflex which stimulates the vomiting like your thinking, she can be at work, not smoked for hours then an episode occurs.
The way I see it is that your just a stoner on a pot growing site that has a strong opinion of marijuana and it's benefits, and I agree marijuana has many benefits. BUT, I've lived it, seen it, been around it first hand and KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THIS CONDITION EXISTS! SHE"S BETTER NOW FROM not SMOKING/USING POT! YOU ARE WRONG MY FRIEND!
I kind of blew up there, sorry, but you can't tell me that it's bullshit when it's been in my face for 15 years, then when the pot goes so does her illness, definitely related.
TMB-
No fun, I hope you're feelin' better now!! I had a friend who's gall bladder adhesed to her abdominal wall and became necrotic, the difference after she had it removed was unbelievable. Doc said if she hadn't gotten it out she coulda died from blood poisoning within a couple of months. Having my appendix and gall bladder and tonsils all still inside me makes me feel like a ticking time bomb sometimesI had my gall bladder removed recently. It felt like somebody shoved a samurai sword into my belly button until they removed it.
Well if you were a little bit more opened minded, perhaps you'd spend a few minutes doing a google search:I understand that you believe what you believe, but until you, or anyone, offers some actual explanation of the mechanism by which cannabis causes this problem, I will remain skeptical. I'm not saying pot has no drawbacks or side effects, but I am also very familiar with the chemistry involved in cannabis use and its effects on the body, and I have read all the studies involved in this particular discussion, and none of them offer anything more than vague anecdotal evidence, there isn't a shred of actual, provable, causality. Offer evidence of HOW pot causes this "Syndrome" and I am open to changing my mind, but "She stopped using pot and the problem went away" is NOT proof of pot being the problem. There are far too many variables in play, and if you have any interest in science and understanding of the scientific method you should understand that, and that there is a huge difference between Correlation and Causation, and all that these studies, and your sister's experience, show is at best a correlation. Causation has to be proved by more than just anecdotal evidence. You need to find the chemical/biological mechanism of action.