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ColaKoala13 said:

I was using double filtered water strictly, but have now switched to half filtered half regular tap and I let it sit for 24h. I don't have a TDS meter yet, ordered one but not here just yet.

The worm compost I included in my mix did have some powdered oyster shells and egg shells added periodically for grit.

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I'm on my phone atm....... but you can look at the zero water pitcher website , they have a tool where you enter your zip code and will give local TDS readings ..... not completely accurate but helps

Tomorrow I will be giving a regular feeding and picking up some fresh worm castings.

Maybe a better long term solution now going into flower would be prepare a top dressing with worm castings, bone meal, powdered oyster shells and what little I have left of the Roots Organic Uprising Grow and water in...

ColaKoala13 said:

Tomorrow I will be giving a regular feeding and picking up some fresh worm castings.

Maybe a better long term solution now going into flower would be prepare a top dressing with worm castings, bone meal, powdered oyster shells and what little I have left of the Roots Organic Uprising Grow and water in...

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I would go with that and see where it gets you, the EWC is usually recommended as a top dress/tea transitioning to flower anyways.

Evil-Mobo said:

I would go with that and see where it gets you, the EWC is usually recommended as a top dress/tea transitioning to flower anyways.

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Thanks. I think I will also use strictly tap water instead of half highly filtered half tap and see if that doesn't also help. Will be able to find out more about TDS once I get the meter...

ColaKoala13 said:

Thanks. I think I will also use strictly tap water instead of half highly filtered half tap and see if that doesn't also help. Will be able to find out more about TDS once I get the meter...

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Don want to butt in,- but is it common knowledge here that a pinch of Sodium Metabisulphate in
25 gallons of tap water will neutralise's the Chlorine and chloromines in it ?

It's what home brewers do to condition the water for beer. if it is well thanks for the fascinating grow diary,
the best information scource on the net short of cinversation.

Instape said:

Don want to butt in,- but is it common knowledge here that a pinch of Sodium Metabisulphate in
25 gallons of tap water will neutralise's the Chlorine and chloromines in it ?

It's what home brewers do to condition the water for beer. if it is well thanks for the fascinating grow diary,
the best information scource on the net short of cinversation.

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No need to feel you are 'butting in.'

Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I have read that adding hydrogen peroxide does the same thing in terms of removing chlorine. I think it has to be 35%. I am not familiar with sodium metabisulphate...


I've been studying up in the Organics section, a lot of good information there if that is what you are into.



Maybe you should do a search for Sodium Metabisulphate here, or find a thread more aligned with dechlorination or simply start your own and ask?

ColaKoala13 said:

No need to feel you are 'butting in.'

Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I have read that adding hydrogen peroxide does the same thing in terms of removing chlorine. I think it has to be 35%. I am not familiar with sodium metabisulphate...


I've been studying up in the Organics section, a lot of good information there if that is what you are into.



Maybe you should do a search for Sodium Metabisulphate here, or find a thread more aligned with dechlorination or simply start your own and ask?

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Sodium Metabisulphate
No sweat ,
was just reading of the water, and it reminded me of my brewing,
water is "tuned" to suit the beer being brewed unless the brewer is lucky in the local stuff.

Sodium Metabisulphate ios a very cheap additive in Wine making and brewing a sterelizer among other things,
it removes chloramines which are not boiled off with the Chlorine.

I have confidence issues even posting anonymous is an effort. Stupid , I could be any one.
But there we are.

@Instape

I wonder if it changes pH or raises ppm or has some other side effect that needs consideration? How does it affect plants? How would it affect the microbiology or fungal mycorrhizae? You said it functions as a sterilizer...


We all have something we can offer brother. Hope you can overcome that and share your knowledge or whatever you feel called to do.

ColaKoala13 said:

@Instape

I wonder if it changes pH or raises ppm or has some other side effect that needs consideration? How does it affect plants? How would it affect the microbiology or fungal mycorrhizae? You said it functions as a sterilizer...


We all have something we can offer brother. Hope you can overcome that and share your knowledge or whatever you feel called to do.

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Thank you for the kind words,

From Wikipedia,

this product is also used to eliminate both free chlorine and the more stable form, chloramine, from water solutions (e.g., drinking water from municipal sources). Campden tablets allow the amateur brewer to easily measure small quantities of sodium metabisulfite, so it can be used to protect against wild yeast and bacteria without affecting flavour.

Typical use is one crushed Campden tablet per US gallon of must or wort. This dosage contributes 67 ppm sulfur dioxide to the wort but the level of active sulfur dioxide diminishes rapidly as it reacts with chlorine and chloramine, and with aldehydes (particularly in wine). Therefore, the concentration of free sulfur dioxide is greatly diminished by the time the beer or wine is consumed. However, when used only for the purpose of dechlorinating tap water before brewing, one tablet will effectively treat 20 US gallons of water.[2]

Me Again-

In the tiny amounts used, initially and after reaction there is non left, and PH effect at that concentration is not even registering.

If you drink wine or craft beer ( in quantities like I used to) you will have consumed 1000's of gallons of fluid that has come into contact with this stuff---

When I get going again (if ever)-
I aim to make an Uber John Innes No.3 - with our own compost and loam,even going to be worms in the grow tub soil -so no poisons getting near my babies,

My green house efforts had friends mockingly ask me if I intend playing the seedlings Whale song,
I just might this time.

Namaste.

[Update] -

Last night I prepared a top dressing of 3-4L of worm castings with 5tbsp bone meal, 4-5tbsp powdered oyster shells, 2tbsp epsom salt and 2tbsp Roots Organic Uprising Grow. I then watered it in with 4L unfiltered, dechlorinated tap water, and a rather inexact amount of BioBizz products 1-2tbsp of each and just a drop of the Alg-a-Mic stuff (the more I research about ROLS I think my next grows I won't even use bottled nutes and just re-amend well).

Opened tent today and all plants are looking fairly healthy. One however has seemingly worsened overnight. Since my amendments are slower release (I myself don't like fast food), hopefully things start to work themselves back out...

Though not quite sure what is happening with the one that got worse. The smaller top in the first pic is somewhat troubling:




And a few shots of the others:




(I took the netting out. Not gunna be easy to have access to my plants and I think I will get some bamboo stakes if need be. Aesthetically more pleasing to the eye as well)

So it may appear that I actually have 2 male plants. They seem to have more round ball pre flowers while the rest have all shown some degree of pistil hairs, even quite small. The ones that are quite possibly male are: first row, left; second row, middle.



The supposed male in the back row, middle has the most appearance of calcium deficiency. I will probably let them go a full first week of flower just to verify for sure (10/16).

If they are indeed, what could I do with them? Juice some of the leaves and dry the rest for tea along with stems? I don't think there's much resin to be harvested...



Currently preparing a LAB serum along with Aloe Vera to give a watering and foliar application.

First LAB fully cultured and rice wash about to get milk to make a new round.

So I've been thinking, if the two I believe could be male, actually are males, I may try and keep one to make some seeds. I'm out of town until tomorrow or Monday and won't be able to check until then. But if so, I'm wondering if instead of going through the whole hassle of building an isolation chamber for the male, what if I just cut off all the sprouting pollen sacs and leave one branch with them growing, then put a coffee filter or bag over the flowering pollen sac and keep in the tent until I can at least get some pollen then selectively dust some of the female flowering sites. Anyone know if this could work or has tried it before?

Well, bushwhacked one male...

Hanging out to dry and will probably make it into an herbal tea blend.

The other one is indeed also male.

Gunna see about castrating all the balls (lol) and pruning out the other branches and leave one side branch to flower but wrap a plastic bag over it with tape and see if I can harvest pollen without pollinating all the females. Then selectively dust some on certain flower sites. I guess only one way to know for sure if something like that will work. Having some more seed stock on hand wouldn't be a bad thing...

ColaKoala13 said:

Well, bushwhacked one male...

Hanging out to dry and will probably make it into an herbal tea blend.

The other one is indeed also male.

Gunna see about castrating all the balls (lol) and pruning out the other branches and leave one side branch to flower but wrap a plastic bag over it with tape and see if I can harvest pollen without pollinating all the females. Then selectively dust some on certain flower sites. I guess only one way to know for sure if something like that will work. Having some more seed stock on hand wouldn't be a bad thing...

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No No Just Go Around You Grow Room Shaking The Shit Out Of Your Plant Like Your Playing A Tambourine And Let The Love Flow As It May

Pro-gardener/breeder tip #1:

The Dawg said:

Just Go Around You Grow Room Shaking The Shit Out Of Your Plant Like Your Playing A Tambourine And Let The Love Flow As It May

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- Any true breeder knows that the basis of any successful breeding program starts with this practice, which has its roots in Pagan fertility rites. It is best practiced in the nude and during the new moon.

So some of my new growth shoots aren't looking too happy... Not quite sure what I'm looking at here? Something to do with boron perhaps?

It's hard to tell but the lighter leaves in the first pic look like an early sign of Nitrogen or Zinc deficiency

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=231387

Maybe some better pics would help or someone can chime in if I am off base here........

Some of these branches are lower ones that are pushing up against fan leaves and becoming somewhat twisted as they push through. The first pictures are of tops that are on the LST plants that are unobstructed.

I definitely see some of the older leaves turning yellow, also what I posted earlie about calcium deficiency, though I don't think that has progressed since I gave a top dressing. Just fed them with the BioBizz stuff, including a bit of the veg formula, not much though. They are all looking a little droopy as I just fed/watered.

See how they respond to this feed they might just be a little hungry is all........