Resinhound
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Yes it can,specially with the micro...however you still dont need the grow imo.
Non-Stop Deficiency Battle (PICS)
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damn, i hope it didn't ruin the portions in the gallon i bought of it even though I've only use 300ml. I'm definitely going to have to dump the res tomorrow. what do you think, should i run the formula i made up again (5:4) or should i try lucas?
rkymtnman
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do you have the GH veg formula too? or just the micro and bloom?
since you are having issues, change up to lucas now. go with either 4:8 or 5:10 to start off with and see what happens. to be on the safe side, i'd use 2mL/gal of cal/mg too at the beginning until you start seeing growth that looks nice and green.
since you are having issues, change up to lucas now. go with either 4:8 or 5:10 to start off with and see what happens. to be on the safe side, i'd use 2mL/gal of cal/mg too at the beginning until you start seeing growth that looks nice and green.
nah just micro/bloom. i think the other problem could be that i didn't shake the nute bottles before i used them but yeah i think I'm going to just go with lucas like i said I'm just scared of nitrogen deficiency. you use 2ml/gal even if you use 4:8 or 5:10? i thought the point of lucas was to use r.o water with no calmag? and i have calmag-plus so i guess that would make me feel better cause it has the extra nitrogen. and do you think the calcium deficiency is causing the new growth on the main shoots to turn a reddish color? or do you think that was something else
AlphaPhase
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I wouldn't lower ppm or flush if you have deficiency, that's counter productive and will hurt more than help.
Just pick up maxi grow and maxibloom, maxibloom is the same exact thing as Lucas, but Dry powder nutes. You can actually use that all the way through veg and flower and it's cheaper than liquid flora, I recommend maxi grow in veg though for a decent veg nutrition, I feel it would work out better for you. Plants that age in gh nutes should be getting at least 1.3ec +
How are your roots doing? Anytime I have a deficiency issue it always ends up being a poor root system.
This plant is about 12" tall and getting 1.5ec - so I'm pretty sure you shouldn't feed less because I'm using gh nutes in a rapid rooter in hydroton in 1 gallon pots. These had a rough start and it came down to a root issue, these grew 10" in 6 days once I fixed the root issue. If you still want to use gh, use the ratio of 3:2:1 (or whatever it says on the bottle) to about 1.4ec or grab maxi grow for $15 and use just that and calmag to 200ppm if using ro water
Just pick up maxi grow and maxibloom, maxibloom is the same exact thing as Lucas, but Dry powder nutes. You can actually use that all the way through veg and flower and it's cheaper than liquid flora, I recommend maxi grow in veg though for a decent veg nutrition, I feel it would work out better for you. Plants that age in gh nutes should be getting at least 1.3ec +
How are your roots doing? Anytime I have a deficiency issue it always ends up being a poor root system.
This plant is about 12" tall and getting 1.5ec - so I'm pretty sure you shouldn't feed less because I'm using gh nutes in a rapid rooter in hydroton in 1 gallon pots. These had a rough start and it came down to a root issue, these grew 10" in 6 days once I fixed the root issue. If you still want to use gh, use the ratio of 3:2:1 (or whatever it says on the bottle) to about 1.4ec or grab maxi grow for $15 and use just that and calmag to 200ppm if using ro water
AlphaPhase
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Ahh, I see now. Or lack of what I don't see, roots! Us your plug still wet? It should be dried out by then and water level set lower. I bet your roots are over watered (the signs of no roots coming through the pot) and that's causing your deficiency. Id put money on it, I bet your plug is still wet? If not, there's a root zone issue. At that age and size I'd flood every 6 hrs to below the plug.
rkymtnman
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it is. if you are using it at less than 5:10, i think a little cal/mg would help since it's not quite as strong as it should be. if you do a nute calculation at 3:6 or 4:8, you'll see the cal and mg levels are pretty low compared to what they are at 5:10 and 8:16. make sense?
sorry i haven't been online my macbook shit the bed but i upped the floods to every 4 hours, floods for 5min and drains in 5min. my ph is at 5.8 now, i added lucas 5-10 lucas formula on friday which put the ppm at 760 (.7 ppm conversion) and topped the res monday afternoon (with r.o water only) which put the ppm at 700. and i was using maxi gro i had the ppm at 900 (used calmag+ too) and it was non stop deficiency problems so i grabbed flora micro+bloom (now that i think about it I'm pretty sure youve said in the past that you wouldn't use lucas for veg) but honestly its funny you mention that, theres only 1 root i can see on the bottom of the pots and i noticed i was getting some stemrot on the bigger ak so i brought the flood level down and the plugs are drying right now, at first keeping the plugs moist seemed beneficial.... do you think i should bring it back to flood every 6 hours? and how should i deal with the root problem, just let the plugs dry out? I'm applying 29%h2o2 @5ml/gal every 2 days too
yeah definitely makes sense. i been using 5-10 and so far the new growth looks like a nice green color even though the tips are still yellow and the growth still seems real slow
i use GH and I'm just tired of dumping money into this shit i don't get why the GH notes just aren't working. i must be fucking something up and I'm starting to think its a root problem
AlphaPhase
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Your deficiency are being cause by the root issues not from too high or low feedings, when roots are good you can feed low or high, as long as it's in a decent range, and things will be fine. I recommend getting the roots back in good health, then you'll see some serious growth and healthy plants
I would flood every 6 hrs, especially with root issues. Roots are what take up the nutes, so when they are injured they don't need as much water, and can't utilize the nutes properly. I'm guessing the only reason you were having constant deficiency with maxigro (I do sometimes, but not serious issues) is due to the root problems. The h2o2 will slow down root disease but it won't kill it, plus it's kind of harsh on the roots. Look into hydroguard and pondzyme for preventive measures, but until then, check out the hiesenburg tea to cure the Root issues and get back on track. Since pythium is a major problem in hydroponics, taking proper steps to make sure root issues don't happen should be number 1, then everything else comes after, feedings, water times etcalright I'm going to bring the floods back down the 6 hours and make sure the plugs dry out and hopefully that will do the trick but ill definitely look into the tea, it just sucks because i really wanted to keep a sterile res because how simple it is lol honestly i didn't even think of the roots being a problem, i figured they'd be straight from the h2o2 but thanks for helping me out dude, you're literally the only one out of like 20 people that mentioned the roots lolYour deficiency are being cause by the root issues not from too high or low feedings, when roots are good you can feed low or high, as long as it's in a decent range, and things will be fine. I recommend getting the roots back in good health, then you'll see some serious growth and healthy plants
rkymtnman
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@AlphaPhase
in that picture you put up, you don't run into any issues with the roots being exposed to light? i've never done flood/drain but i have seen some people fill up their drain table with hydroton too which i guess allows the roots to stay inthe shade so to speak.
@jronnn you ever try a hempy bucket? i moved away from dwc and rdwc to hempys and really love their simplicity. i built an auto feed system so i fill up my res once a week and don't touch anything but check pH. since it's drain to waste, my pH is usually stable for the whole week.
in that picture you put up, you don't run into any issues with the roots being exposed to light? i've never done flood/drain but i have seen some people fill up their drain table with hydroton too which i guess allows the roots to stay inthe shade so to speak.
@jronnn you ever try a hempy bucket? i moved away from dwc and rdwc to hempys and really love their simplicity. i built an auto feed system so i fill up my res once a week and don't touch anything but check pH. since it's drain to waste, my pH is usually stable for the whole week.
check out dutchmaster zone. it's a more long term solution vs h2o2 and it's cheap to use too. it's basically just chlorine and copper
AlphaPhase
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I've tried everything pretty much, if you're not using hid lights (I use t5) the light shouldn't hurt them, not much penetration with a t5 imo. I've filled the tray with hydroton around the pots, and that works better, but then you cant move the plants around. The roots get stuck together and this happens lol
nah im sticking with f&d, if everyone else can make it work theres no reason why i shouldn't be able too. I have to much time and money invested in this shit to switch up now but alright ill look into the dutchmaster. ill post some pics of my roots and pics of the bigger ak48 plant. idk why they came out sideways
rkymtnman
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the cost to do 1 hempy bucket would be a 5 gal bucket and a 7/16" drill bit. add some hydroton that you already have and you are done. i grow tomatoes in my outdoors g'house in hempys as long as MJ indoors.
yeah i just lowered the flood level so the RR dries out but nah what i meant by comment is i already invested time into this so i want to perfect it which will help my overall growing skills if i try growing another way
rkymtnman
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yeah, i gotcha. growing is addictive. once you get F&D mastered, you'll want to try rdwc or aero. i just like spreading the hempy love!