never had these colors leaves need help

Sativied said:

Oh boy... when someone needs to throw in X years of experiences and MJ book authors it usually doesn't mean much good... No offense but 30 years of perception (how many cannabis males did that include) and "Ed Rosenthal, Greg Green and Jorge Cervantes" is hardly proof for your claim, but I'd love to see quotes from those people where they claim males can not have intersex tendencies nonetheless.

Not an argument, just another wording of the same claim.

Why, where do you base this on? Are you aware of the type of analysis that requires to make that determination?

Nope. That statement is incorrect. It's not either male, female OR hermie, that's a common misconception. Intersex comes in different shapes and forms for different reasons (5 types) and is on top of the sex genes ( http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10681-004-4758-7 ) and does not make the sex genes of the female any less female (a female that spawn nanners is still XX).

I understand what you claim, it's to my knowledge a common misconception. I could be totally wrong on that, since the scientists haven't reached a consensus yet I won't pretend to know with certainty. Merely repeating your claim however doesn't make it any more true.

FYI, they are called feminized because the term "female seeds" was not getting generally accepted by breeders - not as you imply because they don't throw male seed (which is only true in theory, but not the reason for the name and no valid argument for your claim).

I can list a bunch of resources and name people who would not agree would you, but for now I will suffice by quoting Nevil in response to "reversing a male"

"Yep, done that. I selfed the HazeC male. Theoretically their should be 25% YY. I was looking for them.
I got about 33% females and 66% males, no intersex. I progeny tested maybe 20 males, All produced normal male to female ratio's and no intersex. The seeds had normal viability, so I guessed that YY would block seed growing in the first place."

So there you have it, just one example (other breeders claim the same, it allows you to smoke the male). Males can be reversed to female. So, it's not as simple as you think it is and your premise and conclusion (in your case the same thing) is hereby proven to be false. A male can most definitely grow female flowers.

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ayr0n said:

Ok a male can only be a male, but a male displaying a vagina has turned hermaphroditic.
A female can be a female with balls / vag (using colloidal silver) creating feminized seeds if it pollens itself or another female, but also a female can turn hermaphrodite w/ balls / vag naturally as a last stance for reproduction.

Oh and females can be just females, and males can be just males as well - but those are boring

Sound bout right? Sex ed is fun

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BenFranklin said:

A male can't "turn hermaphrodite", it's a hermaphrodite that is showing mostly male tendencies.

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Sativied said:

Oh boy... when someone needs to throw in X years of experiences and MJ book authors it usually doesn't mean much good... No offense but 30 years of perception (how many cannabis males did that include) and "Ed Rosenthal, Greg Green and Jorge Cervantes" is hardly proof for your claim, but I'd love to see quotes from those people where they claim males can not have intersex tendencies nonetheless.

Not an argument, just another wording of the same claim.

Why, where do you base this on? Are you aware of the type of analysis that requires to make that determination?

Nope. That statement is incorrect. It's not either male, female OR hermie, that's a common misconception. Intersex comes in different shapes and forms for different reasons (5 types) and is on top of the sex genes ( http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10681-004-4758-7 ) and does not make the sex genes of the female any less female (a female that spawn nanners is still XX).

I understand what you claim, it's to my knowledge a common misconception. I could be totally wrong on that, since the scientists haven't reached a consensus yet I won't pretend to know with certainty. Merely repeating your claim however doesn't make it any more true.

FYI, they are called feminized because the term "female seeds" was not getting generally accepted by breeders - not as you imply because they don't throw male seed (which is only true in theory, but not the reason for the name and no valid argument for your claim).

I can list a bunch of resources and name people who would not agree would you, but for now I will suffice by quoting Nevil in response to "reversing a male"

"Yep, done that. I selfed the HazeC male. Theoretically their should be 25% YY. I was looking for them.
I got about 33% females and 66% males, no intersex. I progeny tested maybe 20 males, All produced normal male to female ratio's and no intersex. The seeds had normal viability, so I guessed that YY would block seed growing in the first place."

So there you have it, just one example (other breeders claim the same, it allows you to smoke the male). Males can be reversed to female. So, it's not as simple as you think it is and your premise and conclusion (in your case the same thing) is hereby proven to be false. A male can most definitely grow female flowers.

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BenFranklin said:

I've bent over backwards to try to be nice here... good luck with your grows. I'm not going to sit here and continue to discuss proven science with an arrogant person bent on being right, regardless of how wrong they are.

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Sativied said:

Oh boy... when someone needs to throw in X years of experiences and MJ book authors it usually doesn't mean much good...

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BenFranklin said:

This isn't the only time you've acted like an ass, not only to myself, but to many others as well.

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