never had these colors leaves need help

Wow rob can copyand paste from wiki.

As long as you use pure silver it's100x cheaper to make it yourself.

So rob you never answered my question how do breeders make feminized seeds?

with CS you fucking jackass

you do know silver is naturally in the plants ? but at a much lower concentration
the silver binds to the copper in the plant and with out the copper the plant is tricked into thinking its male
it would work the opposite if you sprayed copper on a male plant never tried it just a theory

Wow, so much ignorance flying around my head is spinning!

Yes, colloidal silver can be used to generate pollen off a female plant that can then be used to pollinate another female plant and create feminized seeds.

I've not seen air-pots until recently, they look VERY interesting.......

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Air pots.

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Hey! Wanted to let you know, I am running my plants at 1\1\2 of GH's 3 part series.

Normally at this time I am running 2/2/2 or even 1/2/3, but my plants have been looking nasty at the end of flower using this... They end up being all dark DARK green and the leaves all fucked up...

This time around using the half strength, like you suggested, is working out beautiful, the plants are doing great. nice green growth, the leaves aren't all thick like they've been over nuted...

Thanks for the advice, it's paying off in both my plants and my nutrient stocks.

purplegrower02 said:

you do know silver is naturally in the plants ? but at a much lower concentration
the silver binds to the copper in the plant and with out the copper the plant is tricked into thinking its male
it would work the opposite if you sprayed copper on a male plant never tried it just a theory

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I think that'd be wrong there buddy....

A female plant can be a male, but, a male plant without the female genetic will never be a female. Common sense says this should work, but common sense is not very scientific.

See, in the wild, a female at the end of life, without any males around WANTS to throw off seed... the stress from not being able to throw seed, can in some cases make the female propagate herself, and I am talking directly towards the end of life, not 90 days after you switched to 12/12.. I am talking about the plant is about to die it's mostly dead and brown and there is a few buds left on it.

A male, that's a male, is a male, will never be a female, EVER. it doesn't have the potential of being a female.. never... ever there are no female genetic markers in a male plant for it to push out female flowers.

It's why you don't see hermaphrodite males, you only see hermaphrodite females. because only females can carry the hermaphrodite genetic because males can never be females. Get it???

Males can pass down hermaphrodite markers but those markers would only effect resulting female offspring.

Hey Ben, good to hear it's working out for you. I will harvest this week and although this wasn't a max-yield run and had some unrelated issues, based on the buds size and their structure and density and frostiness I have no doubt they had plenty of nutes to do their thing.

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A male, that's a male, is a male, will never be a female, EVER. it doesn't have the potential of being a female.. never... ever there are no female genetic markers in a male plant for it to push out female flowers.

It's why you don't see hermaphrodite males, you only see hermaphrodite females. because only females can carry the hermaphrodite genetic because males can never be females. Get it???

Males can pass down hermaphrodite markers but those markers would only effect resulting female offspring.

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I recently had a convo about this with RB and while we left open the possibility of their technically being no male hermies, in reality that doesn't seem to be the case. Do you have any research/science/resources that confirms the above? Not trying to be a dick here, I'd seriously like to know as it's still a subject within the herma discussion I'm not as sure about as some other aspects. I don't think a male plant actually needs female genes to create nanners and have quite a few reasons to assume male hermas do exists even though they are far less common (which in turn could be all due to the fact growers grow way more females than males so we'd never notice them herm).

Thank you guys and once again rob runs away with tail between his legs. This dude must be 13yr old and have nothing to do but to spread wrong info.


also you DO NOT need to take the female pollen and pollenate another female you can simple self the plant. This is what i do. I use an entire plant bottom half gets sprayed twice a day with CS and then pollenate the upper half and i get a bunch of seeds with basically the exact genetics i want.

i do this with photo and auto flowers. Never grew another male again.

purplegrower02 said:

Sorry sir but you are wrong. You do not need a male to make seeds.

I make 99.9% female seeds with no male.

as soon as you can see pistols start spraying lower bud sites with CS do not spray the main cola.

Spray at least once a day I do it twice a day and male nuts will a pear after 2-3 weeks of continously spraying. Let the nuts aka bananas get nice and ripe where they are just about to explode or some gave already take a 3/8 brush metal handle their everywhere. Scoop up somepollen and spread it on the good cola you ddidn't spray. Or a completely different plant if you want female crosses. That's how I self my plants spend $12 on a seed make $12000 in seeds from one plant.

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Ive heard about this, one plant have female and male sex's. Now I knew a guy that would swear He would always get 12-15 Feminized seeds from Normal female plant, never seen any pollen. His explanation was along the lines of Mother Nature over time put a Fail-safe guarantee in genetic code that all Cannabis would reproduce, if not sexually this was a backup? Anyone every heard of this. I Cant ever find any seeds in my buds, i always thought he just had hermies and stressed plants But he was a bad ass grower so i don't know.

Lmao "what a trippa"...

green_machine_two9er said:

Ive heard about this, one plant have female and male sex's. Now I knew a guy that would swear He would always get 12-15 Feminized seeds from Normal female plant, never seen any pollen. His explanation was along the lines of Mother Nature over time put a Fail-safe guarantee in genetic code that all Cannabis would reproduce, if not sexually this was a backup? Anyone every heard of this. I Cant ever find any seeds in my buds, i always thought he just had hermies and stressed plants But he was a bad ass grower so i don't know.

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Your friend is right.

malicifice said:

Your friend is right.

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I love marjiuana! what amazing resilience! i do recall him saying Must Flower extra few weeks.

Sativied said:

Hey Ben, good to hear it's working out for you. I will harvest this week and although this wasn't a max-yield run and had some unrelated issues, based on the buds size and their structure and density and frostiness I have no doubt they had plenty of nutes to do their thing.


I recently had a convo about this with RB and while we left open the possibility of their technically being no male hermies, in reality that doesn't seem to be the case. Do you have any research/science/resources that confirms the above? Not trying to be a dick here, I'd seriously like to know as it's still a subject within the herma discussion I'm not as sure about as some other aspects. I don't think a male plant actually needs female genes to create nanners and have quite a few reasons to assume male hermas do exists even though they are far less common (which in turn could be all due to the fact growers grow way more females than males so we'd never notice them herm).

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30+ years of my own gardening, farming experience and common sense, on top of Ed Rosenthal, Greg Green and Jorge Cervantes... (BY the way, I am not bragging about my experience or retorting in a smart ass fashion, I am just quantifying my experience for you so you know I'm not from some funny farm! LOL!)

Also, open a browser, type in the name Vic High BCGA from the BC Growers association, these folks are EXTREMELY informative and Vic himself is where I get ALL of my breeding information from for EVRYTHING.

In the back of Greg Greens "The Cannabis Grow Bible" is an entire section devoted to the genetic breeding of marijuana and the manipulation of female plants to make female seeds. As told by Vic High. =)

Marijuana is not the only plants in the world that carry dioecious and monoecious traits.

Yeh, I am positive that male plants can not be female or hermaphrodite, cause male plants can only be male plants..

In fact, a hermaphrodite won't throw male seed, it will only throw female or hermaphrodite seed. Which is why the resulting seeds are called feminized.
If a male COULD(keyword, because males CAN'T) carry the hermaphrodite genetic, it's not a male, it's a hermaphrodite.
IF a female carries the hermaphrodite genetic, it's not a female, it's a hermaphrodite.

He is right to a point. The plant would throw a banana or two with pollen and pollenate the female that's why such a low number of seeds. This rarely happens though since by the time the plant realizes it didn't have contact with pollen and makes its own the season is almost over and seeds don't have time to mature.

purplegrower02 said:

He is right to a point. The plant would throw a banana or two with pollen and pollenate the female that's why such a low number of seeds. This rarely happens though since by the time the plant realizes it didn't have contact with pollen and makes its own the season is almost over and seeds don't have time to mature.

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I see, so best bet if i want to produce my own seeds without males is the CS? and i read you said you get 99% females is it more of a Genetic copy, than like clones or will there be whole new pheno's. ? Sorry dont mean to hijack

BenFranklin said:

30+ years of my own gardening, farming experience and common sense, on top of Ed Rosenthal, Greg Green and Jorge Cervantes...

Marijuana is not the only plants in the world that carry dioecious and monoecious traits.

Yeh, I am positive that male plants can not be female or hermaphrodite, cause male plants can only be male plants..

In fact, a hermaphrodite won't throw male seed, it will only throw female or hermaphrodite seed. Which is why the resting seeds are called feminized.
If a male COULD(keyword, because males CAN'T) carry the hermaphrodite genetic, it's not a male, it's a hermaphrodite.
IF a female carries the hermaphrodite genetic, it's not a female, it's a hermaphrodite.

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Ok a male can only be a male, but a male displaying a vagina has turned hermaphroditic.
A female can be a female with balls / vag (using colloidal silver) creating feminized seeds if it pollens itself or another female, but also a female can turn hermaphrodite w/ balls / vag naturally as a last stance for reproduction.

Oh and females can be just females, and males can be just males as well - but those are boring

Sound bout right? Sex ed is fun

ayr0n said:

Ok a male can only be a male, but a male displaying a vagina has turned hermaphroditic.
A female can be a female with balls / vag (using colloidal silver) creating feminized seeds if it pollens itself or another female, but also a female can turn hermaphrodite w/ balls / vag naturally as a last stance for reproduction.

Oh and females can be just females, and males can be just males as well - but those are boring

Sound bout right? Sex ed is fun

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A male can't "turn hermaphrodite", it's a hermaphrodite that is showing mostly male tendencies.

BenFranklin said:

A male can't "turn hermaphrodite", it's a hermaphrodite that is showing mostly male tendencies.

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Ahh now it's coming together. Thank you.

True Males - Balls Only. Always.
Hermaphrodite - Can have both.
Females - Should have only pistols, but can produce pollen in last ditch effort to reproduce (which can be onset from stress or towards the end of it's life cycle).

ayr0n said:

Ahh now it's coming together. Thank you.

True Males - Balls Only. Always.
Hermaphrodite - Can have both.
Females - Should have only pistols, but can produce pollen in last ditch effort to reproduce (which can be onset from stress or towards the end of it's life cycle).

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BINGO!!!! WINNNER! DING! DING! DING! DING!

Oh boy... when someone needs to throw in X years of experiences and MJ book authors it usually doesn't mean much good... No offense but 30 years of perception (how many cannabis males did that include) and "Ed Rosenthal, Greg Green and Jorge Cervantes" is hardly proof for your claim, but I'd love to see quotes from those people where they claim males can not have intersex tendencies nonetheless.

BenFranklin said:

cause male plants can only be male plants..

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Not an argument, just another wording of the same claim.

BenFranklin said:

In fact, a hermaphrodite won't throw male seed, it will only throw female or hermaphrodite seed. Which is why they are called feminized.
If a male carries a hermaphrodite genetic, it's not a male, it's a hermaphrodite..

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Why, where do you base this on? Are you aware of the type of analysis that requires to make that determination?

BenFranklin said:

IF a female carries the hermaphrodite genetic, it's not a female, it's a hermaphrodite.

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Nope. That statement is incorrect. It's not either male, female OR hermie, that's a common misconception. Intersex comes in different shapes and forms for different reasons (5 types) and is on top of the sex genes ( http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10681-004-4758-7 ) and does not make the sex genes of the female any less female (a female that spawn nanners is still XX).

I understand what you claim, it's to my knowledge a common misconception. I could be totally wrong on that, since the scientists haven't reached a consensus yet I won't pretend to know with certainty. Merely repeating your claim however doesn't make it any more true.

FYI, they are called feminized because the term "female seeds" was not getting generally accepted by breeders - not as you imply because they don't throw male seed (which is only true in theory, but not the reason for the name and no valid argument for your claim).

I can list a bunch of resources and name people who would not agree would you, but for now I will suffice by quoting Nevil in response to "reversing a male"

"Yep, done that. I selfed the HazeC male. Theoretically their should be 25% YY. I was looking for them.
I got about 33% females and 66% males, no intersex. I progeny tested maybe 20 males, All produced normal male to female ratio's and no intersex. The seeds had normal viability, so I guessed that YY would block seed growing in the first place."

So there you have it, just one example (other breeders claim the same, it allows you to smoke the male). Males can be reversed to female. So, it's not as simple as you think it is and your premise and conclusion (in your case the same thing) is hereby proven to be false. A male can most definitely grow female flowers.