Mycorrhiza 101...

CrackerJax

New Member
I do think there may be a place in the AG market for fungi. I could see a farmer with worn out soil replenishing his fields with it.

But like shrubs said sort of.... weed is a short grow and ppl almost always use great soil compared to what a farmer has to work with.
 

Wetdog

Well-Known Member
I hardly think I'm preaching to the choir.... :lol: If only that were true.

One of the most common maladies I see here is NUTE BURN. Over and over again. In the misplaced thought of pushing the plant as hard as it can stand to improve yields (perceived), ppl turn their substrates into nutrient junkyards. Then they scream online when it starts to implode....

Growing is like building a house. It's all in the foundation. It's all about patience.
Then, half of those who scream online go "Nute burn or deficiency?" and before getting a good answer, decide, of course, it's a deficiency and dump something else on top of a burned plant.:wall:

Patience? Shit! It strikes me as a big case of instant gratification with ADD thrown in for good measure.:spew:

Wet
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I'm an outdoor grower and to me it is always amusing to see how much ppl dwell on their plants. I do tend to mine, but sparingly. A nudge here, a nudge there.....add water, and the sun does the rest ... of course.
 

legallyflying

Well-Known Member
This thread has some good info on mycco fungi's.

There is just one very simple piece of information missing. Mycco fungi is not a rare thing. The companies make you think you need to purchase it.... you don't. If you have a healthy soil set up and a healthy plant..... they will come ... in droves. Even sterile soil will fill up with mycco fungi.

So yes, all the technical benefits to mycco is true enough..... the "fudge" is that you need to purchase some....you don't. You will get all you need absolutely free of charge. It's what they do.....24/7.
IF you were growing outside and IF there was a source of healthy myco in the vicinity, then yes this statement is correct. However, sterile soil does not have fungus in it.. hence the name sterile. Myco is fairly hardy but its not invincible. Studies completed in ag fields and post timber harvest have shown that these disturbance to the soil profile can severely depress myco numbers.

To the guy with the drip system, you can just mix the myco anhd hand apply to your pots to inoculate. My understanding is that mycorhyizal are not like nutrients, you don't need to keep adding and adding them. I am running hydroton ebb and flow table and inoculate the table when the plants first go in and then a couple weeks after. I add a small amount of carbos and sensi-zyme into the rez to keep them happy. I did a fair amount of research and found that myco's CAN improve the performance in hydro set ups by increasing the CAPACITY for uptake, processing organic nutrients (which I use), fighting off harmful microbes, and just recreating a natural environment in general.

Great thread and THANK YOU for letting UB know that he is a catankerous old man who thinks he is god's gift to horticulture. Saw him railing on Co2 the other day. Who the fuck thinks that co2 is a waste of money? Anyways, kudos to you man, great contribution.
 

purrrrple

Well-Known Member
JBer do I need to add anything to H&G to feed the Great White (Carboload, Mollases, Heavy weight etc)? I'm running the full House & Garden line in coco and in soil w/ a tiny bit of cal-max.

Also, (sorry for straying off topic) do I need to add any humic/fulvic acids to H&G? Should I add some sort of silica also?
 
Hi I was jsut enjoying the posts and appreciate all the good information. I am a commercial grower of 18 acre palm tree and bamboo farm and also a med growers. I have to tell that ther are many aspects of commercial agriculture that inoculate with mycorrhize and absolutely rely on it to increase their plants ability to resist stress and look good at retail. For example those Christmas Pointsettas are all given Mycorrhizae when they are plugs. And the commercial sod industry can use up to 10 pounds of commercial grade mycorrhizae per acre of production sod. My point is that these business would prefer to not spend the money on all that mycorrhizae and I am sure that the only reason they do it is because it works! THe christmas pointsetta growers need to speed up production to get there blooms to market by thanksgiving so they use mycorrhizae. THe sod grower knows the facts and science, The sod and grass he grows is totally mycorrhizal dependent. No Mycorrhizae means no sod for him. There is so much gimmick and bs out htere regarding mycorrhizae. here is my take on it. Find a high quality brand that you see works. dont use too much either. a good soluble mycorrhizae like my supreme growers Myco Blast can be used by the gram. 1 gram contains over 40,000 fungal units and can be used to inoculate hundreds of seeds or plugs or clones. dilute 1 gram in 1 liter of water and drench small plants. this is way better than dumping ounces of it onto soil where there are no roots. Mycorrhizae must make direct contact with plants roots to begin working and spreading. it will grow and spread but the more you get on there in the beginning of a plants life cycle the better.
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Rrog

Well-Known Member
This thread has some good info on mycco fungi's.

There is just one very simple piece of information missing. Mycco fungi is not a rare thing. The companies make you think you need to purchase it.... you don't. If you have a healthy soil set up and a healthy plant..... they will come ... in droves. Even sterile soil will fill up with mycco fungi.
Completely agree. Also, once inoculated... it's established and no need to keep re-inoculating. Even commercial myco is a money grab
 

wyteboi

Well-Known Member
THe sod grower knows the facts and science, The sod and grass he grows is totally mycorrhizal dependent. No Mycorrhizae means no sod for him. There is so much gimmick and bs out htere regarding mycorrhizae.
if the sod grower knew anything about growing sod , he would be buying food to feed the danm grass instead of myco. if his sod really "relies" on myco just to survive then he has a serious prob.

there are many benefits to myco , but the main one is making the roots bigger to be able to find food farther away. If your plants or grass is straving to the point where it needs the myco to find food , then somebody is growing in the wrong place an not feeding.

Bottom line: myco is great , but it cant grow your plant for you. (sod is a plant too)



take your bullshit info and sales pitch elsewhere. as long as i am here you aint gonna sell shit without PROPER info on whatever your selling.



soil
 

cannawizard

Well-Known Member
read dr. inghams books about mycos; save your hard earned money spent on all these (instant mycos applications).. some dont even help, tho there are some products which do..

cheer$
 

wyteboi

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read dr. inghams books about mycos; save your hard earned money spent on all these (instant mycos applications).. some dont even help, tho there are some products which do..

cheer$
yes the doc breaks it all the way down. she (i think) has studied teas, soil and myco to the fullest. all of her reads are great and very experienced. in fact she is a legend in the dirt world. I believe her info is the first i read about myco a few years ago.

Mycorrhizae fact: myco cant even survive if there is plenty of food in your soil.




soil
 

Rrog

Well-Known Member
Mycorrhizae fact: myco cant even survive if there is plenty of food in your soil.
High Phosphorus can limit some Fungus. Similar point is that much of the beneficial organisms don't start growing until they detect root exudates. That's why I have the clover going. Fixes Nitrogen and keeps the microlife going while waiting for my next seedling.

If you get this going and have compost, EWC, etc., you are looking at not only the purest organic, but the cheapest way to grow. Re-use your soil by amendment
 

MedicalGuy

Member
What do you guys think about Myco Gro? http://www.fungi.com/product-detail/product/mycogrow-soluble-1-lb.html?
I was thinking about innoculating my AACT, (compost tea) with a pinch of this. Think that is too much?
My recipe for flowering tea is:
1tablespoon all natural molasses
20 drops CaMg+ By general organiocs, or cmparable liquid mineral supplement
1 tabespoon dry, all organic, all purpose fertilizer (with N-P-K ratios close to 5-5-5
1 tablespoon kelp meal
1teaspoon dry high nitrogen bat/bird guano (with npk ratios close to 12-8-2)
1teaspoon dry high phosphorous bat/bird guano (with npk ratios close to 0-5-0 or 1-10-0)
1teaspoon liquid fish fertilizer (with N-P-K ratios close to5-1-1 or 3-3-0.3
1/4 cup Big Bloom by fox farm
BUBBLE THIS FOR 24 HOURS THAN ADD
1/2 to 1 cup fresh compost or earthworm castings
BUBBLE FOR AN ADDITIONAL 24 HOURS

and my veg tea is:
1tablespoon all natural molasses
1tablespoon kelp meal
1tablespoon alfalfa meal
1tablespoon dry all purpose fertilizer
2teaspoons liquid fish fertilizer
2teaspoons dry-high n bird or bat guano
1teaspoon dry soluble kelp or seaweed
BUBBLE FOR 24 HOURS THEN ADD
1cup of fresh earthworm castings or fresh healthy compost
1/4 cup composted steer( or composted barnyard)manure
BUBBLE FOR AN ADDITIONAL 24HOURS

any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 

cannawizard

Well-Known Member
What do you guys think about Myco Gro? http://www.fungi.com/product-detail/product/mycogrow-soluble-1-lb.html?
I was thinking about innoculating my AACT, (compost tea) with a pinch of this. Think that is too much?
My recipe for flowering tea is:
1tablespoon all natural molasses
20 drops CaMg+ By general organiocs, or cmparable liquid mineral supplement
1 tabespoon dry, all organic, all purpose fertilizer (with N-P-K ratios close to 5-5-5
1 tablespoon kelp meal
1teaspoon dry high nitrogen bat/bird guano (with npk ratios close to 12-8-2)
1teaspoon dry high phosphorous bat/bird guano (with npk ratios close to 0-5-0 or 1-10-0)
1teaspoon liquid fish fertilizer (with N-P-K ratios close to5-1-1 or 3-3-0.3
1/4 cup Big Bloom by fox farm
BUBBLE THIS FOR 24 HOURS THAN ADD
1/2 to 1 cup fresh compost or earthworm castings
BUBBLE FOR AN ADDITIONAL 24 HOURS

and my veg tea is:
1tablespoon all natural molasses
1tablespoon kelp meal
1tablespoon alfalfa meal
1tablespoon dry all purpose fertilizer
2teaspoons liquid fish fertilizer
2teaspoons dry-high n bird or bat guano
1teaspoon dry soluble kelp or seaweed
BUBBLE FOR 24 HOURS THEN ADD
1cup of fresh earthworm castings or fresh healthy compost
1/4 cup composted steer( or composted barnyard)manure
BUBBLE FOR AN ADDITIONAL 24HOURS

any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Only thing I could add is make sure your brewing above 85f, "meals" ingredients get "used" properly in hotter brew conditions~ I'd brew for longer too, maybe try 30+hrs :)

#cheer$

btw, it's cool to add more bennies-- just don't over do it :joint:
 

MedicalGuy

Member
Only thing I could add is make sure your brewing above 85f, "meals" ingredients get "used" properly in hotter brew conditions~ I'd brew for longer too, maybe try 30+hrs :)

#cheer$

btw, it's cool to add more bennies-- just don't over do it :joint:
Thanks dude!
After a nasty battle with root aphids in my hydro system I decided to throw it all in the garbage! After a good cleaning I decided to go organic as the diverse micro-population will protect me from another attack. I am enjoying it so far but I miss my eye-popping yields. I am trying the True Living Organics method to see if the yields improve (I suspect they will).

There is much to learn. It is very exiting.
 

woodsmantoker

Well-Known Member
OP, Your credentials lack merit my friend. Not everyone here in "advanced" are here educating but rather most are here learning. Your understanding of micro biology and organic chemistry show in your comments and "explanations" however, maybe not so much to the majority here.. Do understand please, that no one is attacking you, including UB. Folks will however, attack the notion that what you state is correct, if it is not. That is the nature of an open educational forum. Simply put, UB could very well have educated you in sciences he is well versed in and does have credentials to support. No one has reported anything here that I am aware of, though I have felt compelled to mention what I have said.*I won't go into it but many things you have stated are vastly incorrect and stand easily corrected. I am a wildlife biology / environmental science major and am a "newbie" to organic chemistry. My credentials give no merit to being called "professional" or "expert" especially in the world of botany, but UB is another story. Have fun with your thread and I assure you we mods give you a wide birth ti do your thing, but if you have questions about your understanding of how various things work pertaining to growing anything, I suggest asking UB. Though you may want to start with an apology. Criticism is a tool that educated individuals use to better themselves, and debate is held amongst the most brilliant minds and is welcomed.*Be an open book my friend, there's always something to learn despite how well educated you may be.*Woodsmantoker~
 

wyteboi

Well-Known Member
What do you guys think about Myco Gro? http://www.fungi.com/product-detail/product/mycogrow-soluble-1-lb.html?
I was thinking about innoculating my AACT, (compost tea) with a pinch of this. Think that is too much?
My recipe for flowering tea is:
1tablespoon all natural molasses
20 drops CaMg+ By general organiocs, or cmparable liquid mineral supplement
1 tabespoon dry, all organic, all purpose fertilizer (with N-P-K ratios close to 5-5-5
1 tablespoon kelp meal
1teaspoon dry high nitrogen bat/bird guano (with npk ratios close to 12-8-2)
1teaspoon dry high phosphorous bat/bird guano (with npk ratios close to 0-5-0 or 1-10-0)
1teaspoon liquid fish fertilizer (with N-P-K ratios close to5-1-1 or 3-3-0.3
1/4 cup Big Bloom by fox farm
BUBBLE THIS FOR 24 HOURS THAN ADD
1/2 to 1 cup fresh compost or earthworm castings
BUBBLE FOR AN ADDITIONAL 24 HOURS

and my veg tea is:
1tablespoon all natural molasses
1tablespoon kelp meal
1tablespoon alfalfa meal
1tablespoon dry all purpose fertilizer
2teaspoons liquid fish fertilizer
2teaspoons dry-high n bird or bat guano
1teaspoon dry soluble kelp or seaweed
BUBBLE FOR 24 HOURS THEN ADD
1cup of fresh earthworm castings or fresh healthy compost
1/4 cup composted steer( or composted barnyard)manure
BUBBLE FOR AN ADDITIONAL 24HOURS

any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
how much water with all that food ?

i would add the compost and/or castings right away to get the microbes started now. i dont understand brewing the food without all the organizms in the ewc/compost right away? please give me some info if im wrong.






soil:joint:
 

notballin

Member
It didnt take long for the fungus to infest the roots of these seeds. The fungus will continue to propagate and infest as the root system develops.




Mycorrhizal application is easy and requires no special equipment. The goal is to create physical contact between the mycorrhizal inoculant and the plant root. Mycorrhizal inoculant can be sprinkled onto roots during transplanting, worked into seed beds, blended into potting soil, "watered in" via existing irrigation systems, applied as a root dip gel or probed into the root zone of existing plants. The type of application depends upon the conditions and needs of the applicator.

Mix it in at the roots and try to make direct root contact to make the infection earlier and stronger.
This blew my mind. So you could theoretically apply this during germination to the tap root before planting it into it's first container?
 
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