My second attempt at a DWC grow with CFL's

Concord Dawn

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Well 3 days old and looking good. A little bit of stretch and leaf curling. I know its to early to tell, but I wonder if they'll be male or female. Not sure what to expect with bag seeds, but will go all the way through either way. The worst that can happen is buds with seeds, right??? LoL. Oh well, we'll see. Also, I tested the timer out last night, worked great, off at 2, on at 8, Perfect!! More later, Out
 

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Concord Dawn

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Now were rollin!! So I went to the pawn shop and sold some scrap gold I had. Then off to the U-Haul store and got the Grand Wardrobe Box, cost: $12.76. I think it will work out great. That brings our grand total up to $63 for the "ghetto-fabulous" low budget micro grow, LoL. I took the old shelves I had from my other grow cabinet and they fit perfect in the bottom of the box to make good foundation and the other 1 on top for a shelf for supplies. I still need to get the 80mm case fans, but i took the little fan I had in the bathroom to use for now just to move some air around. the box came with a bar to hang across the top which was perfect to hang the lights from. Need to make another trip to Wally World to get some ph down as it's running about 7.0. Here's a few pics for now, more later. Out
 

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Concord Dawn

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I went to a couple thrift shops today and I picked up a nice little round 5" fan for $2, great deal. Working with a cardboard box makes it really easy to cut holes. I cut the hole for the fan in the upper left rear corner with a steak knife and the passive vent in the lower right corner. The fan works great and it fits perfect, slipped right in the hole, then I covered the passive hole with a dryer sheet for a filter to keep dust out. Pretty good flow, temps running 86, so I'm happy with it all so far. I will still get a 80mm fan for the passive vent, should really help out. Also, I lined the inside of the box with the cheap "mylar" blanket thing and its really bright in there. I also got another bulb splitter and 1 more 23watt 2700k bulb, $2 a piece at Dome Hepot, LoL. That makes a total of 5 2700k's and 1 6500k with a total of 9600 lumens. Forgot, I got some ph down at the pet shop also, 4 oz for $8. That brings the grand total so far up to $78. Dinner time, be back later, Out
 

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Concord Dawn

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Also, forgot to mention, again since it is a cardbord box, its was easy hang the mylar wth push in thumb tacks. Pic of tacks, there clear so there hard to see. The ph is back on track now at 6.0. Very good. Out
 

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Concord Dawn

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Here's an updated expense list:

BOUGHT:
LIGHT SETUP W/ BULBS 37.00
2-AIR PUMP AND 4-STONES 13.00
THERMOMETER W/ HYGROMETER 7.00
SPONGES 3.00
U-HAUL GRAND WARDROBE BOX 13.00
PH DOWN 8.00
MYLAR BLANKET THING 3.00
RUBBERMAID TUB 4.00
5" ROUND FAN 2.00
HYDROTON, ROCKWOOL,NET POTS 14.00
104.00

THINGS I HAD:
TIMER 0.00
POWER STRIP 0.00
BUCKET, 2 POTS 0.00
AIR HOSE, T'S 0.00
DC POWER SORCE 0.00
NUTES 0.00
SEEDS 0.00
EXTENSION CORD 0.00
CHAIN 0.00
TACKS 0.00
DUCT TAPE 0.00
PH KIT 0.00
0.00

I bought another air pump and pair of stones, and a 10 gal grey tub at Wally World today. I also ordered this
HYDROTON, ROCKWOOL, 4-3" NET POTS kit from Ebay to get ready for the "real grow" when I get my good seeds, LoL. I'll explain later why I won't go to my local hydroponics store, it's a good one, LoL. So there's the new updated total, $104. The tub is pretty cool as it already has 2 holes, 1 under each handle for the air lines to run through. Each line will get a T and 1 pump on each end to feed 4 stones, 1 for each 3" net pot for a 4 plant grow. Ok, back to work, LoL, more to come. Out
 

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Concord Dawn

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The Tampa Tribune in Florida
Published: October 2, 2009
Specialty gardening store plants seeds for drug investigations
LARGO - On four different days earlier this year, an undercover narcotics detective with the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office saw a white Volvo parked at Simply Hydroponics, a specialty gardening store in Largo.
The car was registered to a 37-year-old woman living in a Redington Beach waterfront home. The month after her Volvo was last seen at Simply Hydroponics, narcotics detectives raided her home.
They found 141 marijuana plants.
That same undercover detective also saw a silver and gray Honda Element at Simply Hydroponics, that led to a raid at a Clearwater home; a Ford pickup parked outside the store, that led to a raid on a Largo home; a green Dodge van at the store, that led to a raid on a St. Petersburg home; and two BMWs that were spotted at the store, that led to a raid at a different St. Petersburg address.
This is the picture that emerges from affidavits that were written this year by investigators to convince a judge to authorize the raids. Typically, after the plate number is jotted down, narcotics detectives go to property linked to the owner, and see if an inordinate amount of power is consumed there, or whether it smells of cannabis – two tell-tale signs there's a marijuana grow-house inside. Then a search warrant is requested.
All told, according to the affidavits, the undercover detective launched more than a half dozen grow-house investigations simply by running license plate numbers outside the store – a tactic that raises concerns that gardening aficionados might be unfairly targeted by narcotics investigators.
That's what the owner of Simply Hydroponics believes.
"We're being stereotyped and pigeonholed," said Allan Bednar, part-owner of Simply Hydroponics. "It's so ridiculous it's hard for me to grasp."
But sheriff's officials say the store is not being singled out.
"Are we targeting that business? Absolutely not," said Lt. Robert Alfonso of the Pinellas sheriff's narcotics division.
Says sheriff's Sgt. Sgt. Ron Wehr: "I don't have the manpower to put someone there around the clock."
But the impression left by the affidavits is that an undercover detective is there regularly.
He was there Jan. 21, Feb. 12, Feb. 20 and March 25, when he saw that white Volvo owned by Jennifer Ashley Arens, 37, a search warrant affidavit says. Arens was never charged, but Gaelan Clark, 39, was. He fainted when sheriff's investigators showed up at 16108 Fifth St. East, in Redington Beach, on April 30.
The detective was also at Simply Hydroponics on March 26, the day after he last saw Arens' Volvo, according to the search warrant affidavits. This time, he saw a green Dodge van linked to two St. Petersburg men who three years ago were suspected of laundering their drug profits through a tattoo parlor.
This year, as a result of the detective's spotting the van, the men were connected with a south St. Petersburg home, an affidavit says. Detectives could smell marijuana there from the outside, the affidavit says, when they went there. During the raid, investigators found 165 plants, $11,900 and two weapons.
On March 26, the detective also saw two BMWs at the store, at least one of which was linked to Richard Tyson Goodbread. Goodbread had been charged in 1997 with one count of manufacturing marijuana, but had entered a pre-trial intervention program, after which the case was dismissed.
When detectives went to Goodbread's home on April 21 in northeast St. Petersburg, they found 19 live marijuana plants, the affidavit says. This time, he was charged with two counts of manufacturing marijuana. In July, he pleaded guilty and was sentenced to two years probation.
Sheriff's investigators say they are usually outside Simply Hydroponics in connection with some other investigation when the undercover detective runs a plate. The detective said that he will run a car owner's history through criminal data bases to see if the owner has a history, as Goodbread did, but if none surfaces, the detective says he will drop the matter.
"I respect the constitutional rights of these people and I put it aside," he said. His name is not being printed due to the undercover nature of his work.
Said Alfonso: "I'm sure there are legitimate people there that go there to do legitimate things."
When asked why the affidavits strongly imply each investigation is launched as the result of one detective running a license tag, investigators respond that the affidavits don't always give a complete picture – just enough of one to persuade a judge to authorize a search.
When the sheriff's office announced the raid on the Redington Beach waterfront home, the press release said nothing of the white Volvo spotted at Simply Hydroponics. Instead, the release said the case began after investigators received a tip.
Defense attorney Timothy Hessinger, who represented Goodbread, said he thinks the sheriff's office has a confidential informant at Simply Hydroponics who tells investigators when someone buys merchandise for a grow operation.
"I don't know if they work there or visit there or hang out there," said Hessinger, a former prosecutor. "I can't swear to that, but I'm pretty sure. Otherwise, how would they know what they are purchasing?"
As for the practice of running tags, Hessinger doesn't have any problem with it. "It's all fair. There's nothing illegal about it. It's kind of like police officers hanging outside a bar looking for DUIs.''
Simply Hydroponics is not the only business where a purchase sets off an inquiry, investigators say. Once, narcotics detectives homed in on a suspect after hearing he was buying an inordinate amount of topsoil at Home Depot, said Wehr.
"If you are in the business of growing marijuana, you have to go to a supply store," said Alfonso.
But a review of this year's search warrant affidavits filed by the sheriff's office shows the only business mentioned in any of them is Simply Hydroponics. Bednar, the part-owner, says he doesn't believe detectives are spending a fraction of the time at Home Depot or Lowe's that they are outside his enterprise.
And his isn't the only specialty gardening store in the nation getting singled out, he said.
He said he has friends with shops all across the country, and he's heard stories for years – store patrons being followed home, law enforcement agents knocking on their doors in the middle of the night, asking to take a look inside.
"It's not a new tactic," Bednar said. "It's just coming to light."
"They are going to target your customers," he said. "It's been an ongoing issue in our industry."
Whenever he or his staff gets the impression anyone is in the store to buy supplies for a grow operation, he said, the person is asked to leave.
"Anyone who tries to do a nod and a wink is thrown out of the store," he said.
And, Bednar says, Simply Hydroponics is apparently being singled out by the sheriff's office at a time when the business is trying to do good things in the community – such as lending its expertise to inmates in work release programs so they can learn how to grow food.
"We're doing everything we can, but there's not much you can do about it," Bednar said. "They are going to do what they are going to do."
Reporter Stephen Thompson
 

Concord Dawn

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So today I added the first round of nutes. This is what I have, GH FloraGro 2-1-6 and Jack's Classic All Purpose 20-20-20 for veg. and for blooming I will use FloraBloom 0-5-4 and Jack's Classic Blossom Booster with micro nutes 10-30-20. I won't tell you the mix because I'm sure its not right, everyone has their own formula so don't I wont say mine. If it works, then I'll tell ya, LoL. ph is right at 6.2 which isn't bad. Temp and hum are running 84 and 24 with the lights on and 71 and 35 with a high of 42 with the lights off. Well thats all for now, more later. Out
 

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So I put 4 little cut outs on top of the "ghetto-fabulous" light and the temp dropped 2 degrees from 86 to 84, good, very good, LoL, BTW, the shears are there to help balance the hood cause i was little stoned when I made it, oh well, Out
 

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Concord Dawn

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6 days old and looking good, I put the 3" pvc elbow coming up from the intake fan and it blows a light breeze across the plants and the temp is down to 81, nice. I think the holes in the hood really helped alot. It did get up to 90 last night for a bit, but I think thats cause of the heat being on. When I get the 3 80mm fans, it should all be good. Thats all for now, Out
 

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prebs

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Looks good bro. Im following this. Interested in seeing how it turns out. hopefully better than your first grow :/. that sucks though that it didn't work out
 

Concord Dawn

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Looks good bro. Im following this. Interested in seeing how it turns out. hopefully better than your first grow :/. that sucks though that it didn't work out
thanks man, i have no idea what happened, wish i pics, there on my old hard drive in a box under my bed, might try to get them off it, i didnt have any idea what i was doin anyways, LoL
 

Shackleford.R

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this looks cool. i have respect for "ghetto growers" whatever it takes to grow your own thats what got me into this as well. props on all the DIY i built my own grow tent using panda film and wire shelves from target (link in signature if you want to check it out)

something you might want to consider, based on what i saw the medium you have holding your roots is just kitchen sponges? aside from the rockwool holding your seedling?

if that's correct, you could run into problems later on in this grow. as the plant mass increases its weight will tend to push down and eventually "smash" your sponges. which damage the roots at that point which is crucial, its where root meets stem.
you may want to consider swapping to a new medium NOW before this becomes an issue. also kitchen sponge is designed to hold water. not water and air, which is what the roots want. i know you're doing DWC but down the road, all that moisture at the base of your stem could lead to dampening off. lastly, two plants in one DWC tank could be bad later, if you get one male, you'll have a hell of a time detangling those roots systems.

again these are just things to think about, every grower is in control of their grow. it looks cool though, and like i said respect to any DIY grower. if cost is the issue, i recommend cheap gravel or river pebbles, don't need much so it shouldn't cost you an arm and a leg.

:peace:
Shack
 

Concord Dawn

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this looks cool. i have respect for "ghetto growers" whatever it takes to grow your own thats what got me into this as well. props on all the DIY i built my own grow tent using panda film and wire shelves from target (link in signature if you want to check it out):peace:
Shack
hey shack, thanks for all the tips, ive been watchin yours too, im gonna subscribe. i have already ordered this kit from ebay, pic, the sponge thing was just an experiment with bag seeds, i know they'll both be males, LoL gotta love the ghetto grows tho huh
 

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Concord Dawn

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Well day 7 and things don't look good. George is still looking just ok, and Weezy don't look good at all. Went to work and when I got home the water level was down and the cups were dry. Might hook the ghetto drip system back up, but really not sure what I will do at this point. I'll give them a couple more days and see what happens.

My hydroton and net pots will be here in a couple days and I might just start over with the new 4 hole 10 gal tote. Also the fans will be here in a few days too. So, I might just stop and regroup and start a new grow when I get the whole thing better organized and my ventilation system and the new tub made. Out
 

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Shackleford.R

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hey i offered up some thoughts on your post in the ghetto thread. sorry to hear about your girls, do you know what your temps are and do you have a pH test kit of any kind?

:peace:
Shack
 
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