PJ Diaz
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I don't understand what your point is bro? Are you trying to start a fight or something?
my defoliated vs non defoliated... pictures inside.
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akula
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Does it really seem like trying to start a fight? I thought we just came to an agreement that posting a single, no context, no comparison picture is meaningless in observations relevant to this discussion. Since you initially brought up the meaningless argument, I figured we would expand on those things that are even that much more meaningless.
PJ Diaz
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ok. Yes then, I agree.
Uncle Ben
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Huh?......
Sir.Ganga
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There are 3 different positions on this de-foilation topic.
The type that strip there plants completely not understanding what or why and expecting the Monsters crop.
The type that even when shown FACTS and PICTURES refuse to believe and do nothing but argue.
The third type are the people that are willing to LEARN and are the one that benifets of this technique.
De-foilation has nothing to do with "light to flowers" its all about getting that energy in the right position on the plant and the plant will do the rest.
The type that strip there plants completely not understanding what or why and expecting the Monsters crop.
The type that even when shown FACTS and PICTURES refuse to believe and do nothing but argue.
The third type are the people that are willing to LEARN and are the one that benifets of this technique.
De-foilation has nothing to do with "light to flowers" its all about getting that energy in the right position on the plant and the plant will do the rest.
Sir ganja, its comments like that, that propose there is something to gain from doing defoliation... but yet nothing proving there is something to gain in your statement. No pun intended but can you elaborate in saying to put the energy into the right places?
If you cut off fan leaf then the energy is put into growing inner nodes but without stressing the plant by topping during veg? Thats how it seems when its read but to continue defoliate during flower when no other leaves will be produces and your stressing and stunting the plant for several days during critical bud growth. Seems and was counter productive in my case.
Hell, if people going to bicker then mine as well bicker over something that could make sense.
If you cut off fan leaf then the energy is put into growing inner nodes but without stressing the plant by topping during veg? Thats how it seems when its read but to continue defoliate during flower when no other leaves will be produces and your stressing and stunting the plant for several days during critical bud growth. Seems and was counter productive in my case.
Hell, if people going to bicker then mine as well bicker over something that could make sense.
elkukupanda
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I deleted the pics... They were awful...
I will take some later
medical/420
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Why do my buds have little leaves on them???? I tryed covering them up so they wont get any light, but they aren't getting very big
Alexander Supertramp
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Its sucks Rick I know. PJ has trolled another useful thread into oblivion. Thats about the only thing he is good at.
PJ Diaz
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You must really have a hard on for me. It's so flattering. However I'm not the troll here buddy.
akula
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So smaller leaves around the calyxes are are far better at photosynthesis? -or- Translocation is a myth, or at the very least, woefully inefficient? Which is the theory you two are backing here?
hsfkush
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Fuck me, this thread is full of hot headed chumps, fighting over a matter of opinion.
But I'd like to add to the topic with a question for the OP if you can answer me please?
You said that you didn't see any/little growth on the defoliated plant, but the pistils all turned red and receded... So does that mean that if I were to defoliate my plant(which is roughly two weeks away from finishing) the flowers will mature faster than usual, or at least look like they've matured faster?
Also, did you take note of the trichomes? Meaning, did they also turn amber after defoliating?
Thanks.
But I'd like to add to the topic with a question for the OP if you can answer me please?
You said that you didn't see any/little growth on the defoliated plant, but the pistils all turned red and receded... So does that mean that if I were to defoliate my plant(which is roughly two weeks away from finishing) the flowers will mature faster than usual, or at least look like they've matured faster?
Also, did you take note of the trichomes? Meaning, did they also turn amber after defoliating?
Thanks.
Hsflush- ok i did not note the tricomes as i dont have good enough microscope but i figured id wait till week 8 which is around the corner. Good question though thats something i couldve followed earlier... as for the hairs receeding yes they have been solid red for week or so already. Whereas the non defoliated has the new calyx growth popping up STILL with nice white hairs everywhere. So i know you cant judge plants age from the hairs alone but how i looked at it is, the bud when new has all the white hairs and as it matures the hairs turn amber red. Then new calyxes grow outward and have fresh white hairs popping out. So if the defoliated plants had the red hairs on bud for finaly 3 weeks of flower, were they done then because the plant couldnt grow new calyxes like it normally would?
To answer you question bluntly, yes i believe my buds were mature already and currently now i get nervous seeing them cause they seem done. Ive heard over doing them causes seeds.
I will admit i am not a scientist and grow based off my reading(not much) and experience(not much)lol. I plan to pick up somemore material... although, if you notice top buds mature faster than lower ones so clearly a plants enviroment and stress will determine each buds maturity seperate. Therefor, i can deff see defoliated buds finished quicker from not growing new calyxes and not needing the extra time for the new calyxes to mature.
To answer you question bluntly, yes i believe my buds were mature already and currently now i get nervous seeing them cause they seem done. Ive heard over doing them causes seeds.
I will admit i am not a scientist and grow based off my reading(not much) and experience(not much)lol. I plan to pick up somemore material... although, if you notice top buds mature faster than lower ones so clearly a plants enviroment and stress will determine each buds maturity seperate. Therefor, i can deff see defoliated buds finished quicker from not growing new calyxes and not needing the extra time for the new calyxes to mature.
Uncle Ben
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Has his head is stuck up a place where the sun don't shine. That's where all his energy goes ya know.
Uncle Ben
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Opinion to some, science to others.
What is it about photosynthesis you don't understand?
hsfkush
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Well, I wasn't actually asking you the question but ok... And my knowledge is minimal of biology, I know the very basics in human anatomy and that's about it, it's not something I took an interest in school, I prefer astronomy personally.
medical/420
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i know how a plant works, learned all about it in 3rd grade
Sir.Ganga
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I have posted pics, there has been multiple cut and pastes appliede to this thread and others to proove without a doubt that de-foilation does works There are different opinions for sure but when they blatenly avoid the proof in front of their faces it makes you wonder why are they doing this. Oh well I know what work...for me...and that all that matters in my world. Take my pics and info and do what you want with it.
Removing leaves (not cutting) and leaving inner nodes (suckers) will do nothing to for energy transfer. Those inner nodse as you call it actually draw from the same energy pool and root system and actually take away from the main cola and top growth. This is FACT, Gardeners have been removing sucker shoots (inner nodes) for decades now and the reasons are the production of larger fruits and veggies. You want all of the root system dedicated to the top 2 feet and by removing lower and inner suckers with their leaves will result in just that. As for weight...the plant has it in its genetics so if it can it will produe where it can.
I have never had a drop in my quantity since I applied these techniques and my room has much better air flow.
Believe me or not, I know what works and have proven this in a number of threads with a number of pics.
Just to re-ederate:
Going into flower at 17"
I run a perpetual grow so these two are different girls but the same mum, so you get the picture. They end up 28-30" usually and hold upwards of 17-19 zips per, 3 every week.
When you see results like this...how can you say it doesn't work?
akula
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Using 3rd grade knowledge of botany may explain much of the confusion here.
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