MMPR Grow op: Small Scale

Make me.

Idiots like you will only serve the giants by pushing the honest little guys away.

It's sound more and more like there's a bunch of dg's butthurt about their easy ride vanishing. Who's actually shilling here? Lol.

Didn't know this was your forum or thread to speak on behalf of.

You lost sucker. Even when it's legal for rec use there will be standards. The days of picking off mites with masking tape and passing it off as medicine is long gone.

Enjoy the ride. I know I am.

The Hippy said:

Don't like us raining on your parade...too fucking bad wanna bee
And just cause there is thread about it in this Med patients forum, doesn't change the forum name....stupid.
We are all well aware of the LP schill team around here so fark off. Some of honest patient are here to burst you greedy little bubble....head
Go do your business elsewhere as you not all that welcome here.

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Honestly the phrase comes to mind I would slap you but shit splatters...

And until it's legalized, there will forever be a black market and you CAN'T force people to buy anything let alone pot. I am not a former dg but you can bet your ass I'm pissed about my rights getting tromped on. The majority of LPs that patients here used have produced sub standard product that anyone with any kind of experience using knows is not going to help what ails them.

Why don't you wanna be LP's go fuck yourselves with all your greed and P.S dumbass LP's have had problems with mold and producing actuall medicine!!!! (6-9% thc)So go back under what ever rock you greedy uncompasionate losers climbed out of. Have fun getting ass raped by the devil when karma comes a knocking wannabes. Or when you actually need the medicine but can't afford it because some asshole wants to get rich off of our illness. SO GO FUCK YOURSELF all ya wannabes and LP's alike!!

Peace

BLACK MARKET ALL THE WAY!.
Cheaper. BY FAR! (half price)
More variety Way more.
Best of all?
LP's know it.

So Woody runs away because I said his latest sales pitch sounded desperate?
It did.
He was (is) here to get clients by feeding for the most part known information. It's called the carrot, or bait.
That comment sent him scurrying away?
Really?
Perhaps there is another reason he has decided to leave other than lack of revenue from RIU members.

woodsmaneh! said:

Just trying to give people a heads up, and not have them spend money on something that will not help. Desperate, lol you're kidding right! Were number one in Canada for MMPR consulting, like it or not and there is a good reason for it. You have a nice day.

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I would be more of a believer if you were attached to at least 1 successful LP, rather than a bunch of applicants at the same position early on in the application process.
What happens if one of your applicants starts to move forward faster than your own application?
What happens if what worked for all of them suddenly gets rejected by HC - do you charge them thousands more to do it again?

his business is short term. It's not something that will last and Im sure he's seeing that already.
HC has stopped taking orders. Shutting him down!
Businesses don't need Woody to tell them they don't have a shot in hell with getting onboard

The ride was good for a little bit eh woody, but bills are piling up higher than you expected and its time to pack up shop and find some other moron who needs someone else to do their work for them.
That's the funny part of the deal.
To think you actually convinced some morons they actually needed you.

Congratts!

oddish said:

I would be more of a believer if you were attached to at least 1 successful LP, rather than a bunch of applicants at the same position early on in the application process.
What happens if one of your applicants starts to move forward faster than your own application?
What happens if what worked for all of them suddenly gets rejected by HC - do you charge them thousands more to do it again?

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I asked him twice to address this glaring conflict of interest.

mrmeeseeks said:

I think you're a little mixed up about who's making trouble.

I've been lurking here before this thread even started and woody being annoyed away pushed me enough to say something.
I was moved to become involved with the MMPR before it was even a thing. Under the old regs my severely immunocompromised wife nearly died from an infection that was traced to "medicine" grown by an "expert". Since then I have been in favour of it being treated as any other pharmaceutical. I've said it before, I'm not about to buy Tylenol whipped together in a scummy bathroom sink. In the same light, 95%+ of the patients I have spoken to welcome this system over the old.
Is it perfect? Obviously not.
Is it better than we had? Hell yes.
Don't like the information here? Look elsewhere? It's not that complicated. Only a mouseclick away you are.

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It could have been an ok system (especially as a dual system; it could have been a good replacement for DGs), but they structured it so that it isn't. The QA failures are a joke, and it dosnt seem that you are better off going through an LP than the black market. How many recalls have there been so far?

The application does everything it can to ensure it is millionaires only and most are, or become, corporations serving their shareholders. Your dream of the "little guy" LP is a long shot, are any of the 13 LPs "little guys"?

If they system foccussed on quality instead of security we may be having a different conversation. To me, the fact they dont allow outdoor production is a pretty clear sign that they dont care about providing reasonable access. It could be produced for a fraction of the price outside and companies could sell it for a couple dollars a gram, but that is not what they want or care about.

As for your tylenol example, this is very different, it is a plant. I would generally prefer to eat herbs from my garden than buy them from the store. I know what I put on it, and I know how it was processed.

Kron3007 said:

The QA failures are a joke, and it dosnt seem that you are better off going through an LP than the black market. How many recalls have there been so far?

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The QA failures are a joke, but the QA process itself is not.
I spoke with the team that does QA at pfizer and a team that does QA for a massive pharmaceutical company.
Both of them said that the MMPR QA regulations are more strict than their current setup and the QA requirements are beyond that of opening a laboratory that can handle cocaine and oxycontin.

This is why Health Canada is now pushing all the wannabes so hard on the QA front.
They want a few things made clear:

• You have to take QA seriously and it's going to cost money, but it has to be done right
• You can't play this game if you're not going to play it right. Small applicants are being restricted by their budget for QA and labs, etc
• The current applicants are fucking it up and they've learned from their mistakes and they're making all applicants also learn these lessons
• They need a simple interface to audit your activities, quantities, etc. They want to do audits every 2 weeks or more, which means the audits need to be simple. I've seen 3 wannabe letters recently that all focused around reconciling data between production, SOPs and QA. They want one place where all the information can easily be viewed and any discrepancies are both obvious and difficult to hide.

Gb123<--"-ignored member" status along with a few others
works

Enjoy reading this offline...... Mom.



to think you actually "believe in" what you write on an online MMJ forum is what makes this whole deal humorous.
You're makin Woody more entertaiing now.
cheers.

oddish said:

The QA failures are a joke, but the QA process itself is not.
I spoke with the team that does QA at pfizer and a team that does QA for a massive pharmaceutical company.
Both of them said that the MMPR QA regulations are more strict than their current setup and the QA requirements are beyond that of opening a laboratory that can handle cocaine and oxycontin.

This is why Health Canada is now pushing all the wannabes so hard on the QA front.
They want a few things made clear:

• You have to take QA seriously and it's going to cost money, but it has to be done right
• You can't play this game if you're not going to play it right. Small applicants are being restricted by their budget for QA and labs, etc
• The current applicants are fucking it up and they've learned from their mistakes and they're making all applicants also learn these lessons
• They need a simple interface to audit your activities, quantities, etc. They want to do audits every 2 weeks or more, which means the audits need to be simple. I've seen 3 wannabe letters recently that all focused around reconciling data between production, SOPs and QA. They want one place where all the information can easily be viewed and any discrepancies are both obvious and difficult to hide.

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But at the end of the day this isn't Pfizer or any other big pharmaceutical company (yet). And this isn't some manufactured chemical...it's a fucking plant and that's not going to change. Don't you think those standards are going to have to be lowered after all things grow on living things.

You mean there might be mite shit in my Viagra?

Doobius!! Good to see ya.

Doobius1 said:

You mean there might be mite shit in my Viagra?

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Thrip shit's worse

Did ya know Rat poison has the same effect as Viagra?

woodsmaneh! said:

Just trying to give people a heads up, and not have them spend money on something that will not help. Desperate, lol you're kidding right! Were number one in Canada for MMPR consulting, like it or not and there is a good reason for it. You have a nice day.

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#1? Impressive! Tell me, how many clients have you gotten approved? Must be a lot considering you are the #1 MMPR consultant in the whole country.

oddish said:

The QA failures are a joke, but the QA process itself is not.
I spoke with the team that does QA at pfizer and a team that does QA for a massive pharmaceutical company.
Both of them said that the MMPR QA regulations are more strict than their current setup and the QA requirements are beyond that of opening a laboratory that can handle cocaine and oxycontin.

This is why Health Canada is now pushing all the wannabes so hard on the QA front.
They want a few things made clear:

• You have to take QA seriously and it's going to cost money, but it has to be done right
• You can't play this game if you're not going to play it right. Small applicants are being restricted by their budget for QA and labs, etc
• The current applicants are fucking it up and they've learned from their mistakes and they're making all applicants also learn these lessons
• They need a simple interface to audit your activities, quantities, etc. They want to do audits every 2 weeks or more, which means the audits need to be simple. I've seen 3 wannabe letters recently that all focused around reconciling data between production, SOPs and QA. They want one place where all the information can easily be viewed and any discrepancies are both obvious and difficult to hide.

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This is comparing apples to oranges. The QA requirements in the MMPR are for medicinal plants and are comparable to what is used for any other medicinal plant product (Echinacea, St Johns wort, etc.) so the requirements are quite different than a purified chemical (For example, microbe count is of little concern for a chemical that was recently purified from an organic solvent). In fact, since there is no monograph for Cannabis in any of the Pharmacopoeia they let you use, there is a lot of flexibility in the cutoff limits and methods you can use. If you compare the pharmacopoeia, you will see how much flex they have left you; they should have released their own monograph to set industry standards.

The real devil is in the details though. HC allows you to oversee your own QA, and you can do it all in house if you want. It is pretty easy to strategically sample your crop, or select the methods that work in your favor. When I contacted the companies offering to do chemical analysis, they told me how much sample they needed, but it was not compliant with the required sample size outlined in the pharmacopoeia nor did they mention anything about sampling method. The QA in the MMPR would be very good if followed properly and in good faith, but it is far too easy to circumvent.

As for small applicants being restricted based on QA, that may be partially true but it is not their only method. I am quite qualified on that front, the roadblocks we ran into during our second submission were all related to security/location, even though these were not an issue during the first submission (same location) and the municipality had approved it. They just created new, unwritten, rules to restrict who they would license.

mrmeeseeks said:

I hoped some of you would have grown up by now.
But no, gloat over annoying a helpful contributor outta here. That will totally bring back MMAR and allow you to produce in your catshit covered basements again.

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My mmar garden isn't 'catshit covered'...in fact I have never had mold on my meds or felt the need to irradiate. Not sure where you've been hanging out, but I've never been in an indoor grow that would allow an animal anywhere near it, let alone be catshit covered.