Messege to all the new "independants/Republicans"

I envy you.

I remember when I thought that all was out to ruin the country, and that there was nothing that the government wouldn't do to ruin itself.

I soaked up my propaganda like it was the nectar of the gods, and would never waste an opportunity to diminish the president, or any of his staff.

I would listen to the conspiracy theories (even though I would refuse to believe that they were) and never waste a moment to bring it up in a political discussion.

Yes I was and am a Dem, still to this day, the other guy of course was Bush. I used to look at all the news about his lies, and all the vacation days he took. Saw how he called Osama Bin Laden's cousin 'brother binder' and giving government bids to all of his old buddies. Or how the patriot act was stuffed with thousands of pages at 3 in the morning before the vote on it.

And that was not even the beginning of it.

But when I started to see the same things being applied to the new guy, I realized that there was a great consistency to what what being said.

All (maybe not all, but darn near all) the exact same things were being said about Obama that was said about Bush.


So sit back and enjoy this time of youthful angst, and feel the pride of being the ones that 'knows' everything about the Obama administration.

But when it is all said and done, just remember all that was said. Because chances are you will find 'your guy' in eventually and get to see the exact same responses that you had been using so often, come right back around at you.

And as you sit there and try to explain to the people throwing the slurs, I hope that you will then remember back at this time and realize that it is all bull.

Everything (well almost) is made up to diminish the 'other side' and get your side into office again.

I would say don't buy into the hype, but I know that is not possible, it is just too fun to do. And actually I think that it is good that you get into politics, whichever side it is.

Just remember when it comes around, and they are attacking your guy, and you see a lot of the same things being said that you had once said, or that you find yourself finding falsity after falsity when trying to rationalize with the 'other side', what is happening now.

And then you should be able to relax and see the system for what it is. Nobody is out to screw up the system.

Pick which things are most important for you and stick to those. And study the crap out of them, because it is very important to know the ins and outs of why you feel the way you do, because you might be surprised about how it actually works in the real world.

Ind/Rep. aren't against Obama. Ind/Rep. aren't against the democrats. They are against corruption and TERRIBLE policy.

Let's just look at Obama's biggest reform. Healthcare. If it passes, apart from causing even more debt, he still can't answer the question "How are the doctors going to handle 50 million new patients?"

They won't be able to. There will be a MASSIVE shortage of doctors. A lot of doctors are reaching retirement as well and say if Obamacare passes, they WILL retire.

Ind/Rep. aren't against Obama. Ind/Rep. aren't against the democrats. They are against corruption and TERRIBLE policy.

Let's just look at Obama's biggest reform. Healthcare. If it passes, apart from causing even more debt, he still can't answer the question "How are the doctors going to handle 50 million new patients?"

They won't be able to. There will be a MASSIVE shortage of doctors. The majority of doctors are reaching retirement as well and say if Obamacare passes, they WILL retire.

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You must not have been given this information on your news.

This is not true. We have enough doctors in the nation by a wide margin. That argument has been researched and debunked already. You may need to go back a month or so, but I have a huge post, lots of charts, and good sources (medical sites) that go over the system and how plenty we have to cover everyone.

Remember there are 330million people in America, and what 16 million more are going to get covered now? And of those, they had already been getting treatment when they need it, just at the cost of bankruptcy or walking out on a bill (either way we still pay for it as taxpayers), so in essence we are talking about covering about 5% extra.

And you may not think that they are against Obama, but most of these blog sites are set up and spoonfeeding this 'information' to you are by republican lobbyists. If you are willing to, look deeper into this, and you will see that almost everything that gets hurled around is pure bs. And who wins? The republicans, because if you think that the libertarians will come into power anytime soon, well, read my post above.

Give it a few years to a decade and you will see.

Hannimal, will you marry me?

hanimmal said:

You must not have been given this information on your news.

This is not true. We have enough doctors in the nation by a wide margin. That argument has been researched and debunked already. You may need to go back a month or so, but I have a huge post, lots of charts, and good sources (medical sites) that go over the system and how plenty we have to cover everyone.

Remember there are 330million people in America, and what 16 million more are going to get covered now? And of those, they had already been getting treatment when they need it, just at the cost of bankruptcy or walking out on a bill (either way we still pay for it as taxpayers), so in essence we are talking about covering about 5% extra.

And you may not think that they are against Obama, but most of these blog sites are set up and spoonfeeding this 'information' to you are by republican lobbyists. If you are willing to, look deeper into this, and you will see that almost everything that gets hurled around is pure bs. And who wins? The republicans, because if you think that the libertarians will come into power anytime soon, well, read my post above.

Give it a few years to a decade and you will see.

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16 million? It's much more than that.

I bet you also believe America is completely safe from a nuclear attack.

Give it a few years to a decade and you will see.

P.S. How do you justify ACORN? Because if you do, your an indecent human being.

JustAnotherFriedDay said:

16 million? It's much more than that.

I bet you also believe America is completely safe from a nuclear attack.

Give it a few years to a decade and you will see.

P.S. How do you justify ACORN? Because if you do, your an indecent human being.

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ACORN is not an issue here. Take your nuts somewhere else.

JustAnotherFriedDay said:

16 million? It's much more than that.

I bet you also believe America is completely safe from a nuclear attack.

Give it a few years to a decade and you will see.

P.S. How do you justify ACORN? Because if you do, your an indecent human being.

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I bet you believe George Bush kept America safe, and Iraq was directly connected to Al'Quaeda.

16 million? It's much more than that.

I bet you also believe America is completely safe from a nuclear attack.

Give it a few years to a decade and you will see.

P.S. How do you justify ACORN? Because if you do, your an indecent human being.

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Oh I am sorry I was using Fox news numbers. But if you want to use all 46 million, then it is even more benefitial to get all these people to start paying for themselves. Because we should not have to subsidize all these peoples emergency room and free clinic visits.

I do feel that America is safe from a nuclear attack as it stands. See I don't know how you look at geography, but we are separated by a huge ocean on either side of us.

So the countries that may be willing to send a nuke onto us, would have to have a seriously well developed nuclear weapon system, and there are a very few countries that have that. And guess what those countries that are able to are our very close trading partners.

And the whole getting a nuke into the country is fiction, and rantings of people that do not have a clue if this could be done or not.

So yes, I am not worried at all about a nuclear attack here in America.


I laugh at you calling me an indecent human being, wake up you are on a drug website. The very people that you look up to would crucify you if they met you and knew your habits. And because you don't seem to get it. Acorn does not matter in the least. If they go out of business, or not, it doesn't matter. You think that somehow pimps and ho's won't be around if Acorn is not getting funding? Seriously.



This whole post was a fig leaf to you. I appreciate that you are so ardent about politics. I think that you could actually be good for society. I don't even mind that you are so pumped full of misinformation, because you actually care!

This is why people that are 'communists' while in college, end up being good for society later in life when they realize that it doesn't work. Because through learning about it, and having to constantly argue how good it would be, and finally having to succumb to the fact that it is never going to work in anytime soon of our human evolution, because we are essentially lazy and greedy.

But all that work that they did that eventually opens up your eyes, ends up making you far smarter and better able to contribute than if you had not felt the way you did in the first place.


The old saying "you will understand when you get older" is still great.

Just keep it up man, and even if I get frustrated at times with having to say the same thing over and over again to debunk the bs you have heard, doesn't mean that I have any ill will towards you. I am just in the long run trying to help you realize that the world is a lot more close than people that talk politics ever want to admit.

Obama Bush two sides of the same coin.
Both have/will do considerable damage to our county.

hanimmal said:

I envy you.

I remember when I thought that all was out to ruin the country, and that there was nothing that the government wouldn't do to ruin itself.

I soaked up my propaganda like it was the nectar of the gods, and would never waste an opportunity to diminish the president, or any of his staff.

I would listen to the conspiracy theories (even though I would refuse to believe that they were) and never waste a moment to bring it up in a political discussion.

Yes I was and am a Dem, still to this day, the other guy of course was Bush. I used to look at all the news about his lies, and all the vacation days he took. Saw how he called Osama Bin Laden's cousin 'brother binder' and giving government bids to all of his old buddies. Or how the patriot act was stuffed with thousands of pages at 3 in the morning before the vote on it.

And that was not even the beginning of it.

But when I started to see the same things being applied to the new guy, I realized that there was a great consistency to what what being said.

All (maybe not all, but darn near all) the exact same things were being said about Obama that was said about Bush.


So sit back and enjoy this time of youthful angst, and feel the pride of being the ones that 'knows' everything about the Obama administration.

But when it is all said and done, just remember all that was said. Because chances are you will find 'your guy' in eventually and get to see the exact same responses that you had been using so often, come right back around at you.

And as you sit there and try to explain to the people throwing the slurs, I hope that you will then remember back at this time and realize that it is all bull.

Everything (well almost) is made up to diminish the 'other side' and get your side into office again.

I would say don't buy into the hype, but I know that is not possible, it is just too fun to do. And actually I think that it is good that you get into politics, whichever side it is.

Just remember when it comes around, and they are attacking your guy, and you see a lot of the same things being said that you had once said, or that you find yourself finding falsity after falsity when trying to rationalize with the 'other side', what is happening now.

And then you should be able to relax and see the system for what it is. Nobody is out to screw up the system.

Pick which things are most important for you and stick to those. And study the crap out of them, because it is very important to know the ins and outs of why you feel the way you do, because you might be surprised about how it actually works in the real world.

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He wasn't really your guy either, obama lied to everyone, his side, their side, my side, our side, he lied to us all.
Supporters and non will have to suffer.

Nice post! Rep is in da mail!

bush loves america


i wish i could say that about obama

Big P said:

bush loves america


i wish i could say that about obama

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yeah he atleast saluted the flag and wore the pin, I respect the guy and supported him, but I only wanted to go just that far.

Big P said:

bush loves america


i wish i could say that about obama

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If Bush's love of America is his only qualifying trait, then you're not really complimenting him. And his love WAS his only qualifying trait. We won't argue his love for our country. But we will challenge his intelligence, capability, decision-making, etc, etc, etc......

Do you really think love for america makes one a qualified president? If so, then Jeff Foxworthy should be president.

jrh72582 said:

If Bush's love of America is his only qualifying trait, then you're not really complimenting him. And his love WAS his only qualifying trait. We won't argue his love for our country. But we will challenge his intelligence, capability, decision-making, etc, etc, etc......

Do you really think love for america makes one a qualified president? If so, then Jeff Foxworthy should be president.

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somtimes simplicity is the most honest reporter,


if you wanna know what kind of person a man is, one needs only to examine his wrinkles as they will reveal him

Big P said:

somtimes simplicity is the most honest reporter,


if you wanna know what kind of person a man is, one needs only to examine his wrinkles as they will reveal him

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Okay, platitudes aside, can we get some ideas from YOU rather than a book of quotes.

Applicability, man. Applicability.

well the crux is the following

whether bush was a good pres or bad pres is your opinion

others may think differently, and for those others they can think back and say: "bush, he loves this country"

I wish i can say the same for obama but i get this vibe that hes got other ideas, like there are some fundimental things about america he dislikes / disagrees with

Big P said:

well the crux is the following

whether bush was a good pres or bad pres is your opinion

others may think differently, and for those others they can think back and say: "bush, he loves this country"

I wish i can say the same for obama but i get this vibe that hes got other ideas, like there are some fundimental things about america he dislikes / disagrees with

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obamas approval sure is gettin awful low in his first year compared to Bush's 1st term.

If Americas approval has anything to do with it then seems "Jeff Foxworthy" would make a better one than obama.

It's no wonder Obama's approval is low. Nobody has even the most basic understanding of what's going on with health care reform, and there's so much misinformation going around despite the fact that Obama stands up and says EXACTLY what everyone else is saying needs to be done in terms of reform. But, because it's coming from him nobody wants to believe that's what his true intentions are. Why? Because, like every other president we've had in recent years, he hasn't lived up to his campaign promises? No matter that he's been in office less than a year. Or because you think he's secretly a muslim extremist who's hell-bent on taking over the country?

Whatever the reason, people need to cut the shit and INFORM THEMSELVES about the state of our health care system. Then listen to Obama and the rest of the dems and see if you still think they're out to get you.

Originally published 04:45 a.m., September 18, 2009, updated 06:56 a.m., September 18, 2009

Obama: Legalize illegals to get them health care

Stephen Dinan (Contact)
President Obama said this week that his health care plan won't cover illegal immigrants, but argued that's all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage.

He also staked out a position that anyone in the country legally should be covered - a major break with the 1996 welfare reform bill, which limited most federal public assistance programs only to citizens and longtime immigrants.

"Even though I do not believe we can extend coverage to those who are here illegally, I also don't simply believe we can simply ignore the fact that our immigration system is broken," Mr. Obama said Wednesday evening in a speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute. "That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else.

Mr. Obama added, "If anything, this debate underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform and resolving the issue of 12 million undocumented people living and working in this country once and for all."

Republicans said that amounts to an amnesty, calling it a backdoor effort to make sure current illegal immigrants get health care.

"It is ironic that the president told the American people that illegal immigrants should not be covered by the health care bill, but now just days later he's talking about letting them in the back door," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee.
"If the American people do not want to provide government health care for illegal immigrants, why would they support giving them citizenship, the highest honor America can bestow?" Mr. Smith said.

But immigrant rights groups see the speech as a signal that Mr. Obama is committed to providing health care coverage for anyone in the United States legally, regardless of their citizenship status.

"It's the first time I've certainly heard, publicly, him talking more about legal immigrants," said Eric Rodriguez, vice president for research and advocacy at the National Council of La Raza (NCLR). "I think that was certainly positive progress. We were absolutely concerned about not hearing that."

On Wednesday, hours before Mr. Obama's speech, the NCLR had given the administration a public scolding, demanding that Mr. Obama needed to make "a public commitment ... to ensure that those who are here legally are covered."

A White House spokesman did not respond to questions about where the White House would make the cutoff for eligibility, and Mr. Rodriguez said he's still waiting for an answer from the administration.

"We don't know where they mean to draw the line," he said. "Our biggest concern is that most people don't realize legal immigrants are currently barred from receiving health care benefits for the first five years in the country."

Under the 1996 welfare overhaul, most federal aid programs are restricted to citizens and legal immigrants who have been in the country for at least five years. Democrats have tried this year to chip away at that rule.
Immigration has dogged Mr. Obama in the health care debate. Rep. Joe Wilson, South Carolina Republican, shouted, "You lie," when the president, in an address to Congress last week, said his plans wouldn't cover illegal immigrants.

Lawmakers - who got an earful from constituents back home during August - have insisted on extra checks to make sure illegal immigrants do not have access to taxpayer-funded programs.

Senators have worked on language that would prevent illegal immigrants from buying insurance through a proposed insurance exchange envisioned in the health care reform package.

But the NCLR said that could lead to situations where some members of a family would be covered and others, including children of illegal immigrants, wouldn't be.

Mr. Obama said legalizing illegal immigrants is a way to take the sting out of the entire issue.

But Republicans said by pushing to legalize illegal immigrants, Mr. Obama is signaling that those here illegally eventually will get access to taxpayer-funded benefits.

Still, the push to pass a legalization bill is beginning to gain steam, even as advocates fret that the White House is moving too slowly.
On Thursday, Rep. Luis V. Gutierrez, Illinois Democrat and an outspoken advocate for legalization, agreed to take leadership in writing a new, more generous bill.

"We simply cannot wait any longer for a bill that keeps our families together, protects our workers and allows a pathway to legalization for those who have earned it," Mr. Gutierrez said. "Saying immigration is a priority for this administration or this Congress is not the same as seeing tangible action, and the longer we wait, the more every single piece of legislation we debate will be obstructed by our failure to pass comprehensive reform."



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What's wrong with that?

We have two choices, deport them all (which is simply unfeasible and won't stop more people from coming IN to replace the ones we send OUT) which means what? More government control, of course! The very thing all you on the right argue so vehemently against.

Or

Give them the means to become LEGAL citizens, so they can pay taxes and contribute to society the way all of us do. In essence, exerting the same level of control the government exercises over the rest of the citizens.