Martin Timothy
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Maybe William Greer fired an air pistol with a poison dart!
The above video does not show Greer's movements as well as the 38 second B&W video from William Cooper's site, that has been removed for "terms of use violation."
Feedback: ...If Greer turned around and shot him from the front seat, why was the motorcycle cop to the left of the limo splattered with blood and brain matter.
MT says: ...The debris that reached the motorcycle cop was fallout from the rifle shot fired from the Grassy Knoll.
To make the facts fit the hypothesis, we can conclude that an air pistol fired at close range will kill, but might lack the kinetic energy to cause an exit wound, particularly if it fires poison dart or a pellet of ice. Governor Connolly who had already been hit, and his wife who was rendering aid to her husband, were both facing away from Greer and could easily remain unaware of an air pistol discharge, despite their closeness.
Church: Have you brought with you some of those devices which would have enabled the CIA to use this poison for killing people?
Colby: We have indeed.
Church: Does this pistol fire the dart?
Colby: Yes it does, Mr. Chairman. The round thing at the top is obviously the sight; the rest of it is what is practically a normal .45, although it is a special. However, it works by electricity. There is a battery in the handle, and it fires a small dart. Self-propelled, like a rocket.
Church: So that when it fires, it fires silently?
Senator Church with flechette launcher Senator Tower at right,
Colby: Almost silently; yes.
Church: What range does it have?
Colby: One hundred meters, I believe; about 100 yards, 100 meters.
Church: About 100 meters range?
Colby: Yes.
Church: And the dart itself, when it strikes the target, does the target know that he has been hit and [is] about to die?
Colby: That depends, Mr. Chairman, on the particular dart used. There are different kinds of these flechettes that were used in various weapons systems, and a special one was developed which potentially would be able to enter the target without perception.
Church: Is it not true, too, that the effort not only involved designing a gun that could strike at a human target without knowledge of the person who had been struck, but also the toxin itself would not appear in the autopsy?
Colby: Well there was an attempt--
Church: Or the dart?
Colby: Yes; so there was no way of perceiving that the target was hit.
Senseney: I worked in the Biological Warfare Section of Fort Detrick from 1953. . . . I was the project engineer of the M-1 dart launcher and following on microorganism projectiles and so forth.
Smothers: Is this a device that looks roughly like a .45 caliber pistol with a sight mount at the top?
Senseney: It did look like a .45.
Baker: Could it fire a dart or an aerosol or what?
Senseney: It was a dart.
Baker: It fired a dart?
Senseney: That is correct.
See the grinning SS man in that vehicle, on press photo's taken immediately after the shots were fired.
Witness statements
1. Mary Moorman - school teacher standing next to Jean Hill. She said she saw Greer shooting back but thought he was shooting back at the assassin. SOURCE: Warren Commission and taped interview by Fred Newcomb.
2. Jean Hill - Jean Hill saw what happened too, but when she tried to bring up the subject of a gun being fired in the car, Senator Arlen Spector (a 33rd degree Mason) would change the subject or say "it's time for a cup of coffee."
3. Austin P. Miller - Texas Louisiana Freight Bureau, who stood on the railway overpass overlooking Elm Street was asked by Arlen Spector where the shots came from: His reply was "from right there in the car." Senator Spector just went on to the next question, never asking Miller any specifics. From: Warren Report, New York Times edition, p. 82.
4. Clinton J. Hill. Jacqueline Kennedy's bodyguard reports in Vol. II, pp 138-139 of the Warren Commission Volumes: "I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, and ran to the presidential limousine. Just as I reached it, there was another sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object...it seemed to have some type of echo."
5. Hugh Betzner - Had picture published in Life magazine and was standing right next to the drivers side of the motorcade: He saw a gun in the hand of one of the secret service agents and heard a sound "like firecrackers going off in the car."Link to Betzners official statement: http://www.jfk-online.com/betzner.html Source: taped interview with Fred Newcomb.
6. Senator Ralph Yarborough - 3rd car back "Smelled gunpowder in the car." (statement made to press but not to Warren Commission) He was challenged by Newcomb on the phone and he then said "I must have smelled it coming down from the book depository"
This vid cap of frame 313 of the Zapruder film sickens some people when they realize that this clearly shows Secret Service Agent William Greer, shooting JFK. Many would say that this is just a highlight on the passengers head - Roy Kellerman. Dont kid yourself! The gun has been etched into a highlight to make you "think" it is Kellermans head. And Robert J. Groden thinks that the gun is the chrome on the drivers door. Now, how come we can see this chrome through Greers body? New kinda chrome?
Greer and Kellerman
William Greer, the driver of JFK's limousine, and Roy Kellerman, the Secret Service agent who was in the front passenger seat, controlled everything that happened at Parkland Hospital in Dallas while the presidents body was there. They stood next to the doctors trying to save JFK's life, telling them "what happened." It was Roy Kellerman that placed the bullet on the stretcher that matched the ammunition used by the Manlicher Carcano rifle that was placed in the Oswald-patsie snipers nest.
Larry Ed Note - bullets cannot work themselves out because the inflammation process would hold them in. Newcomb found out from his research that within 48 hours of the assassination before Oswald was arrested, the FBI questioned both Greer and Kellerman, treating them like suspects. Kellermans statements to the FBI, found in the National Archives by Newcomb, all support JFK being shot from the rear.
His statement was that President said "'my God, I'm hit,' and then reaches around and grabs his back." Anyone who has seen the Zapruder film knows that Kennedy first grabs his throat and then is slammed violently backward by a shot from the front. i.e. Kellerman is lying through his teeth to save his butt!
The Scuffle
A little known event that I learned about from my interview with Fred Newcomb can best be described as the "hospital room scuffle." In order to cover-up the shooting of JFK by Greer, the wounds had to be altered to make it appear that he was shot from the rear instead of the front. Control of the president's body was paramount. The Dallas coroner at one point wanted to open the ceremonial coffin to do a autopsy in Dallas. Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman pulled a gun to stop him and in the process a FBI agent tried to intervene and got knocked over in the scuffle.
The Coffin was Empty!
We know from public lectures by David Lifton, author of "Best Evidence," that when Jackie arrives at the front of Bethesda Naval Hospital with the bronze ceremonial casket that a X-Ray technician also arrives at the front desk with a already completed X-Ray of the presidents head in his hand. How can this be? Well, this ties in very neatly with what Fred Newcomb found out in Dallas from interviews with Parkland medical staff including nurses. These are the little known facts that explain why the coffin had to be empty and why Secret Service agents had to pull their guns to prevent the Dallas Coroner from opening it:
¶ A secret service agent was running around the hospital asking for a "basket, casket or a bag - anything to put a body in."
¶ A Secret Service agent was also asking where the rear entrance to the hospital was.
¶ After Kennedy's body was in the ceremonial coffin, Greer and Kellerman asked for and got some time of privacy with everyone else out of the room.
There's really only one way to connect these dots together and that is that Kennedy's body was transferred by the agents from the ceremonial coffin into the plain military container that Lifton shows in his lecture slides. And Newcomb has in his book, a photo of medical personnel wheeling a plain looking coffin on a gurney out the back entrance of Parkland Hospital. For a detailed discussion of the two caskets and their different arrival times, follow this link: http://www.jfklancer.com/backes/horne/Backes2b.html
Ken Adachi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecZ4YOmPz2A
As the Presidential limo emerged from behind the freeway sign, the driver William Greer turned and looked over his right shoulder, he turned back and while holding the steering wheel with his left hand, retrieved something from under the dash with his right hand.
He then transferred the object in his right hand to his left hand, then turned his head back around to look at the President, and brought his left hand around his body and aimed and fired, what appeared to be a nickel plated .44 Cal revolver, at the Presidents head.
The above video does not show Greer's movements as well as the 38 second B&W video from William Cooper's site, that has been removed for "terms of use violation."
Feedback: ...If Greer turned around and shot him from the front seat, why was the motorcycle cop to the left of the limo splattered with blood and brain matter.
MT says: ...The debris that reached the motorcycle cop was fallout from the rifle shot fired from the Grassy Knoll.
To make the facts fit the hypothesis, we can conclude that an air pistol fired at close range will kill, but might lack the kinetic energy to cause an exit wound, particularly if it fires poison dart or a pellet of ice. Governor Connolly who had already been hit, and his wife who was rendering aid to her husband, were both facing away from Greer and could easily remain unaware of an air pistol discharge, despite their closeness.
Chairman Church: The particular case under examination today, involves the illegal possession of deadly biological poisons which were retained within the CIA for five years after their destruction was ordered by the President.
Church: Have you brought with you some of those devices which would have enabled the CIA to use this poison for killing people?
Colby: We have indeed.
Church: Does this pistol fire the dart?
Colby: Yes it does, Mr. Chairman. The round thing at the top is obviously the sight; the rest of it is what is practically a normal .45, although it is a special. However, it works by electricity. There is a battery in the handle, and it fires a small dart. Self-propelled, like a rocket.
Church: So that when it fires, it fires silently?
Senator Church with flechette launcher Senator Tower at right,
Colby: Almost silently; yes.
Church: What range does it have?
Colby: One hundred meters, I believe; about 100 yards, 100 meters.
Church: About 100 meters range?
Colby: Yes.
Church: And the dart itself, when it strikes the target, does the target know that he has been hit and [is] about to die?
Colby: That depends, Mr. Chairman, on the particular dart used. There are different kinds of these flechettes that were used in various weapons systems, and a special one was developed which potentially would be able to enter the target without perception.
Church: Is it not true, too, that the effort not only involved designing a gun that could strike at a human target without knowledge of the person who had been struck, but also the toxin itself would not appear in the autopsy?
Colby: Well there was an attempt--
Church: Or the dart?
Colby: Yes; so there was no way of perceiving that the target was hit.
Senseney: I worked in the Biological Warfare Section of Fort Detrick from 1953. . . . I was the project engineer of the M-1 dart launcher and following on microorganism projectiles and so forth.
Smothers: Is this a device that looks roughly like a .45 caliber pistol with a sight mount at the top?
Senseney: It did look like a .45.
Baker: Could it fire a dart or an aerosol or what?
Senseney: It was a dart.
Baker: It fired a dart?
Senseney: That is correct.
See the grinning SS man in that vehicle, on press photo's taken immediately after the shots were fired.
Witness statements
Mr. Newcomb felt his book made the case for the limousine driver shooting JFK so well, that he sent copies of the book to the 1975 Congress and Senate, because he felt he would be guilty of "obstruction of justtice" if he did not do so. These are the witnesses whose statement to Mr. Newcomb, and sometimes the Warren commission included the words "in the car."
1. Mary Moorman - school teacher standing next to Jean Hill. She said she saw Greer shooting back but thought he was shooting back at the assassin. SOURCE: Warren Commission and taped interview by Fred Newcomb.
2. Jean Hill - Jean Hill saw what happened too, but when she tried to bring up the subject of a gun being fired in the car, Senator Arlen Spector (a 33rd degree Mason) would change the subject or say "it's time for a cup of coffee."
3. Austin P. Miller - Texas Louisiana Freight Bureau, who stood on the railway overpass overlooking Elm Street was asked by Arlen Spector where the shots came from: His reply was "from right there in the car." Senator Spector just went on to the next question, never asking Miller any specifics. From: Warren Report, New York Times edition, p. 82.
4. Clinton J. Hill. Jacqueline Kennedy's bodyguard reports in Vol. II, pp 138-139 of the Warren Commission Volumes: "I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, and ran to the presidential limousine. Just as I reached it, there was another sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object...it seemed to have some type of echo."
5. Hugh Betzner - Had picture published in Life magazine and was standing right next to the drivers side of the motorcade: He saw a gun in the hand of one of the secret service agents and heard a sound "like firecrackers going off in the car."Link to Betzners official statement: http://www.jfk-online.com/betzner.html Source: taped interview with Fred Newcomb.
6. Senator Ralph Yarborough - 3rd car back "Smelled gunpowder in the car." (statement made to press but not to Warren Commission) He was challenged by Newcomb on the phone and he then said "I must have smelled it coming down from the book depository"
Frame 313 of the Zapruder film
This vid cap of frame 313 of the Zapruder film sickens some people when they realize that this clearly shows Secret Service Agent William Greer, shooting JFK. Many would say that this is just a highlight on the passengers head - Roy Kellerman. Dont kid yourself! The gun has been etched into a highlight to make you "think" it is Kellermans head. And Robert J. Groden thinks that the gun is the chrome on the drivers door. Now, how come we can see this chrome through Greers body? New kinda chrome?
Greer and Kellerman
William Greer, the driver of JFK's limousine, and Roy Kellerman, the Secret Service agent who was in the front passenger seat, controlled everything that happened at Parkland Hospital in Dallas while the presidents body was there. They stood next to the doctors trying to save JFK's life, telling them "what happened." It was Roy Kellerman that placed the bullet on the stretcher that matched the ammunition used by the Manlicher Carcano rifle that was placed in the Oswald-patsie snipers nest.
This planted "stretcher bullet" was necessary to corroborate the hole in Kennedy's back that was put there by an cabal operative to further convince us that he was shot from the rear. When Roy Kellerman was asked about this bullet, he replied: "it probably worked itself out during cardiac massage."
Larry Ed Note - bullets cannot work themselves out because the inflammation process would hold them in. Newcomb found out from his research that within 48 hours of the assassination before Oswald was arrested, the FBI questioned both Greer and Kellerman, treating them like suspects. Kellermans statements to the FBI, found in the National Archives by Newcomb, all support JFK being shot from the rear.
His statement was that President said "'my God, I'm hit,' and then reaches around and grabs his back." Anyone who has seen the Zapruder film knows that Kennedy first grabs his throat and then is slammed violently backward by a shot from the front. i.e. Kellerman is lying through his teeth to save his butt!
The Scuffle
A little known event that I learned about from my interview with Fred Newcomb can best be described as the "hospital room scuffle." In order to cover-up the shooting of JFK by Greer, the wounds had to be altered to make it appear that he was shot from the rear instead of the front. Control of the president's body was paramount. The Dallas coroner at one point wanted to open the ceremonial coffin to do a autopsy in Dallas. Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman pulled a gun to stop him and in the process a FBI agent tried to intervene and got knocked over in the scuffle.
The Coffin was Empty!
We know from public lectures by David Lifton, author of "Best Evidence," that when Jackie arrives at the front of Bethesda Naval Hospital with the bronze ceremonial casket that a X-Ray technician also arrives at the front desk with a already completed X-Ray of the presidents head in his hand. How can this be? Well, this ties in very neatly with what Fred Newcomb found out in Dallas from interviews with Parkland medical staff including nurses. These are the little known facts that explain why the coffin had to be empty and why Secret Service agents had to pull their guns to prevent the Dallas Coroner from opening it:
¶ A secret service agent was running around the hospital asking for a "basket, casket or a bag - anything to put a body in."
¶ A Secret Service agent was also asking where the rear entrance to the hospital was.
¶ After Kennedy's body was in the ceremonial coffin, Greer and Kellerman asked for and got some time of privacy with everyone else out of the room.
There's really only one way to connect these dots together and that is that Kennedy's body was transferred by the agents from the ceremonial coffin into the plain military container that Lifton shows in his lecture slides. And Newcomb has in his book, a photo of medical personnel wheeling a plain looking coffin on a gurney out the back entrance of Parkland Hospital. For a detailed discussion of the two caskets and their different arrival times, follow this link: http://www.jfklancer.com/backes/horne/Backes2b.html
I have one local researcher who maintains that the alterations took place at Walter Reed Army Hospital. What really matters in understanding all of this is that the president's body was a roadmap to what really happened and that the wound alteration DID TAKE PLACE, to create a body with rear entrance wounds that agrees with a Warren Commission report not even written yet.
Ken Adachi
