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Maybe John Kennedy's driver William Greer shot him with an air pistol

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Martin Timothy, Sep 4, 2009.

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    Martin Timothy

    Martin Timothy Member

    Maybe William Greer fired an air pistol with a poison dart!



    The above video does not show Greer's movements as well as the 38 second B&W video from William Cooper's site, that has been removed for "terms of use violation."

    Feedback: ...If Greer turned around and shot him from the front seat, why was the motorcycle cop to the left of the limo splattered with blood and brain matter.

    MT says: ...The debris that reached the motorcycle cop was fallout from the rifle shot fired from the Grassy Knoll.

    To make the facts fit the hypothesis, we can conclude that an air pistol fired at close range will kill, but might lack the kinetic energy to cause an exit wound, particularly if it fires poison dart or a pellet of ice. Governor Connolly who had already been hit, and his wife who was rendering aid to her husband, were both facing away from Greer and could easily remain unaware of an air pistol discharge, despite their closeness.

    Chairman Church: The particular case under examination today, involves the illegal possession of deadly biological poisons which were retained within the CIA for five years after their destruction was ordered by the President.

    Church: Have you brought with you some of those devices which would have enabled the CIA to use this poison for killing people?

    Colby: We have indeed.

    Church: Does this pistol fire the dart?

    Colby: Yes it does, Mr. Chairman. The round thing at the top is obviously the sight; the rest of it is what is practically a normal .45, although it is a special. However, it works by electricity. There is a battery in the handle, and it fires a small dart. Self-propelled, like a rocket.

    Church: So that when it fires, it fires silently?

    Senator Church with flechette launcher Senator Tower at right,


    Colby: Almost silently; yes.

    Church: What range does it have?

    Colby: One hundred meters, I believe; about 100 yards, 100 meters.

    About 100 meters range?

    Colby: Yes.

    Church: And the dart itself, when it strikes the target, does the target know that he has been hit and [is] about to die?

    Colby: That depends, Mr. Chairman, on the particular dart used. There are different kinds of these flechettes that were used in various weapons systems, and a special one was developed which potentially would be able to enter the target without perception.

    Church: Is it not true, too, that the effort not only involved designing a gun that could strike at a human target without knowledge of the person who had been struck, but also the toxin itself would not appear in the autopsy?

    Colby: Well there was an attempt--

    Church: Or the dart?

    Colby: Yes; so there was no way of perceiving that the target was hit.


    Senseney: I worked in the Biological Warfare Section of Fort Detrick from 1953. . . . I was the project engineer of the M-1 dart launcher and following on microorganism projectiles and so forth.

    Is this a device that looks roughly like a .45 caliber pistol with a sight mount at the top?

    It did look like a .45.

    Could it fire a dart or an aerosol or what?

    Senseney: It was a dart.

    Baker: It fired a dart?

    That is correct.


    See the grinning SS man in that vehicle, on press photo's taken immediately after the shots were fired.

    Witness statements

    Mr. Newcomb felt his book made the case for the limousine driver shooting JFK so well, that he sent copies of the book to the 1975 Congress and Senate, because he felt he would be guilty of "obstruction of justtice" if he did not do so. These are the witnesses whose statement to Mr. Newcomb, and sometimes the Warren commission included the words "in the car."

    1. Mary Moorman - school teacher standing next to Jean Hill. She said she saw Greer shooting back but thought he was shooting back at the assassin. SOURCE: Warren Commission and taped interview by Fred Newcomb.

    2. Jean Hill - Jean Hill saw what happened too, but when she tried to bring up the subject of a gun being fired in the car, Senator Arlen Spector (a 33rd degree Mason) would change the subject or say "it's time for a cup of coffee."

    3. Austin P. Miller - Texas Louisiana Freight Bureau, who stood on the railway overpass overlooking Elm Street was asked by Arlen Spector where the shots came from: His reply was "from right there in the car." Senator Spector just went on to the next question, never asking Miller any specifics. From: Warren Report, New York Times edition, p. 82.

    4. Clinton J. Hill. Jacqueline Kennedy's bodyguard reports in Vol. II, pp 138-139 of the Warren Commission Volumes: "I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, and ran to the presidential limousine. Just as I reached it, there was another sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object...it seemed to have some type of echo."

    5. Hugh Betzner - Had picture published in Life magazine and was standing right next to the drivers side of the motorcade: He saw a gun in the hand of one of the secret service agents and heard a sound "like firecrackers going off in the car."Link to Betzner’s official statement: http://www.jfk-online.com/betzner.html Source: taped interview with Fred Newcomb.

    6. Senator Ralph Yarborough - 3rd car back "Smelled gunpowder in the car." (statement made to press but not to Warren Commission) He was challenged by Newcomb on the phone and he then said "I must have smelled it coming down from the book depository"

    Frame 313 of the Zapruder film

    This vid cap of frame 313 of the Zapruder film sickens some people when they realize that this clearly shows Secret Service Agent William Greer, shooting JFK. Many would say that this is just a highlight on the passengers head - Roy Kellerman. Don’t kid yourself! The gun has been etched into a highlight to make you "think" it is Kellerman’s head. And Robert J. Groden thinks that the gun is the chrome on the drivers door. Now, how come we can see this chrome through Greers body? New kinda chrome?

    Greer and Kellerman

    William Greer, the driver of JFK's limousine, and Roy Kellerman, the Secret Service agent who was in the front passenger seat, controlled everything that happened at Parkland Hospital in Dallas while the presidents body was there. They stood next to the doctors trying to save JFK's life, telling them "what happened." It was Roy Kellerman that placed the bullet on the stretcher that matched the ammunition used by the Manlicher Carcano rifle that was placed in the Oswald-patsie snipers nest.

    This planted "stretcher bullet" was necessary to corroborate the hole in Kennedy's back that was put there by an cabal operative to further convince us that he was shot from the rear. When Roy Kellerman was asked about this bullet, he replied: "it probably worked itself out during cardiac massage."

    Larry Ed Note - bullets cannot work themselves out because the inflammation process would hold them in. Newcomb found out from his research that within 48 hours of the assassination before Oswald was arrested, the FBI questioned both Greer and Kellerman, treating them like suspects. Kellermans statements to the FBI, found in the National Archives by Newcomb, all support JFK being shot from the rear.

    His statement was that President said "'my God, I'm hit,' and then reaches around and grabs his back." Anyone who has seen the Zapruder film knows that Kennedy first grabs his throat and then is slammed violently backward by a shot from the front. i.e. Kellerman is lying through his teeth to save his butt!

    The Scuffle

    A little known event that I learned about from my interview with Fred Newcomb can best be described as the "hospital room scuffle." In order to cover-up the shooting of JFK by Greer, the wounds had to be altered to make it appear that he was shot from the rear instead of the front. Control of the president's body was paramount. The Dallas coroner at one point wanted to open the ceremonial coffin to do a autopsy in Dallas. Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman pulled a gun to stop him and in the process a FBI agent tried to intervene and got knocked over in the scuffle.

    The Coffin was Empty!

    We know from public lectures by David Lifton, author of "Best Evidence," that when Jackie arrives at the front of Bethesda Naval Hospital with the bronze ceremonial casket that a X-Ray technician also arrives at the front desk with a already completed X-Ray of the presidents head in his hand. How can this be? Well, this ties in very neatly with what Fred Newcomb found out in Dallas from interviews with Parkland medical staff including nurses. These are the little known facts that explain why the coffin had to be empty and why Secret Service agents had to pull their guns to prevent the Dallas Coroner from opening it:

    ¶ A secret service agent was running around the hospital asking for a "basket, casket or a bag - anything to put a body in."

    ¶ A Secret Service agent was also asking where the rear entrance to the hospital was.

    ¶ After Kennedy's body was in the ceremonial coffin, Greer and Kellerman asked for and got some time of privacy with everyone else out of the room.

    There's really only one way to connect these dots together and that is that Kennedy's body was transferred by the agents from the ceremonial coffin into the plain military container that Lifton shows in his lecture slides. And Newcomb has in his book, a photo of medical personnel wheeling a plain looking coffin on a gurney out the back entrance of Parkland Hospital. For a detailed discussion of the two caskets and their different arrival times, follow this link: http://www.jfklancer.com/backes/horne/Backes2b.html

    I have one local researcher who maintains that the alterations took place at Walter Reed Army Hospital. What really matters in understanding all of this is that the president's body was a roadmap to what really happened and that the wound alteration DID TAKE PLACE, to create a body with rear entrance wounds that agrees with a Warren Commission report not even written yet.

    Ken Adachi
    Big P

    Big P Well-Known Member

    so are you saying right before the the rifle bullet hit the presidents head and exploded it, that the limo driver in broad day light in a convertable being video taped and watch by crowds of people turned around and shot the president with an air pistol and no body saw him not even the presidents wife who was sitting right next to him??

    let a lone the fact that this guy expected to get away with it and nobody seeing him do it?

    is that a resonable story to you?

    7forever Active Member

    The driver shot JFK clearly and obviously but the zapruder film needed to be picked apart and analyzed by someone and that someone turned out to be me.

    Nix film close-up shows Greer's arm crossing over

    I got this gif from this clip. Start it at 1:09 and see Greer quickly moving his left arm over his shoulder in unison with the headshot. The nix film was not shown close-up but when this sequence is zoomed in on the limo, this whopper is revealed. The goons covered those movements with fakery in the zfilm but could not or didn't bother with the nix film.
    THE FAKE GREY STREAK covered Greer's arm movement in the zfilm and the nix film proves that alteration beyond any doubt. Case Closed, finally.
    The driver killed Kennedy and the Nix film provides conclusive proof to this inevitable truth.

    NoDrama Well-Known Member

    Umm thats a reflection off Gov Connally's pomade Hairdo, it is NOT a pistol of any kind.
    Big P

    Big P Well-Known Member

    Oh shit!

    They killed kenny! - ady

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    Mary took her pic at zframe 309 and in it, the fake blob of white is entirely missing from Roy's head because it was added during alteration to cover the gun over Greer's shoulder. Connally's reflection is accurately depicted in both the pic and film for authenticity.
    The fake reflection was NOT added to the nix or muchmore films.

    7forever Active Member

    Connally was turning to his left during Greer's last turn to shoot Kennedy and saw the gun in his hand before he could pull the gun back down. CONCLUSIVE CORROBORATION from the man who knew exactly what happened. OOPS!!! He quickly corrected his mistake by saying he didn't see the third shot.

    Governor CONNALLY. Well, first, again I assume the bullet was traveling faster than the sound. I was hit by the bullet prior to the time the sound reached me, and I was in either a state of shock or the impact was such that the sound didn't even register on me, but I was never conscious of hearing the second shot at all.
    Obviously, at least the major wound that I took in the shoulder through the chest couldn't have been anything but the second shot. Obviously, it couldn't have been the third, because when the third shot was fired I was in a reclining position, and heard it, saw it and the effects of it, rather--I didn't see it, I saw the effects of it--so it obviously could not have been the third, and couldn't have been the first, in my judgment.

    The film shows exactly who he's looking at when the shot is fired and then in terror he hits the floor.
    Watch Connally hit the floor once he realizes Greer fired the shot.

    7forever Active Member

    Gifs have made the case against this goon, Greer, who was Kennedy's real assassin. Over and over and over an over we can see this killer slowing for only himself and then speeding off to Parkland.
    THE SMOKING GUN.Greer's left arm quickly moving over right shoulder in order to fire fatal shot.

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    I've looked at the film closely and here are some numbers which you can find yourself. The driver is looking at Kennedy before, during and immediately after the fatal shot. This is an anomaly of epic proportions if he didn't shoot Kennedy. He is driving the vehicle and manages to look at Kennedy a half second before the shot, at the moment, and right after in a moving car which he is driving. IT'S DNA IMPOSSIBLE.

    And he lied about ever seeing Kennedy even though he was clearly looking at him twice in less than 2 seconds. He lied because he killed Kennedy and understood that that would raise questions as to why he didn't speed off after looking the first time. He was a stupid goon but managed to tell that much needed lie but we have the film to confirm he's looking right at jfk both times.

    He turns around the first time at 272. Kellerman turned before at 260 so they are both looking at jfk at the same time until 289. They are both clearly aware that at least Kennedy has been hit and what do they do...slow the limo down and finish Kennedy off at point blank range. Greer turns back straight at 289, they both look at each around 290-292 and they know at that moment they are gonna shoot the sitting duck in the back seat. Greer starts his second turn at 301-302 and is looking right at Greer by 304 and turns away and pulls the gun down by 318. There are 45 frames between 272-317 and Greer's looking at Kennedy in those critical moments for 30 of those frames.

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    Never in recorded history has there ever been a grey streak over any suit shoulder except in the pathetically altered zapruder film.


    golddog Well-Known Member

    Oh yea !

    The truth is finally out :dunce:

    7forever Active Member

    Greer places gun in left hand with right at 242 and his left hand never returned to the wheel.
    They panned upward when Greer moved the gun from the lower position to near his right shoulder.
    No hand or arm at 304 by the door.

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    33) Alan Smith---"…the car was ten feet from me when a bullet hit the President in the forehead…the car went about five feet and stopped." [Chicago Tribune, 11/23/63, p. 9; Murder From Within by Fred Newcomb & Perry Adams (1974), p. 71];
    Greer brakes before shooting Kennedy.
    312-313 showing headshot timing.

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    218 • BEHOLD A PALE HORSE William Cooper

    public and perpetuate the cover-up.
    I called Bob Grodin and accepted his challenge. I invited him to
    appear with me at Beverly Hills High School and show his film. I would
    show my film. The audience would decide. He refused. He refused
    because he knows what I know, that the audience would boo him out of
    town. Grodin knows that Greer shot Kennedy because he is part of the

    Bob Grodin is the same Bob Grodin who claims to be the world's
    foremost independent photo-interpretation expert. Bob Grodin has NO
    photographic education whatsoever. He has never worked with photography.
    Bob Grodin has never been a photographic interpreter in his life.
    He has been lying to the public about his credentials for all these years and
    no one even checked; not even Congress checked his credentials when they
    hired him. Do you really think that was an accident? I HAVE A DEGREE
    Bob Grodin is the same Bob Grodin who was hired by the House Select
    Committee on Assassinations in 1976. He is the same Bob Grodin who
    blatantly lied to the committee and told them that the driver, William Greer,
    never took his hands off the wheel. His job is to write books and confuse
    you. His job is to maintain the position that the government lied and that
    there was a conspiracy. His job is also to prevent you from knowing the
    truth about who did kill the President.
    You cannot welcome the New World
    Order if you have faith in your government. You WILL have faith in your
    government if you learn that Greer killed Kennedy on orders of the Illuminati
    and that it had nothing to do with the legal, Constitutional
    government. Did you know that the man who was in charge of the Secret
    Service at the time of the assassination became the man in charge of
    security for the Rockefeller family upon his retirement? Well, now you
    know. You should also know that Bob Grodin is a friend of Leslie Watkins,
    and it is Bob Grodin's name that Watkins uses as the alias of the astronaut
    cited in Alternative 003. Did you know that when Ricky White made
    appearances on talk radio across the country to say that his father killed
    Kennedy, that Bob Grodin accompanied him? Did you know that every
    time a caller asked Ricky White a question, Grodin answered for him? Do
    you really believe that is a coincidence? Ricky White's father did not kill
    For years I have been telling people and audiences about the discrepancies
    between the doctors' reports in Dallas and the autopsy report
    made at Bethesda Naval Hospital. I have revealed that the wounds were
    tampered with and changed. I have been telling the world that the body
    was removed from its casket aboard the plane and was taken out the galley
    Takes both hands off wheel. There's a good possibility Groden's lies were televised and recorded. I believe he testified twice.
    The pathetic fat slob on the right is Robert Groden from elm street on the 45th aniverssary. Groden is the most financially successful ct'er and the most important government toolbag in covering up Kennedy's real assassin, Bill Greer.

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    These sloppy old slobs are the people responsible for covering up the truth all these years. That is how pathetic this case really and truly is.:oops:

    Marrs published this article just a few months ago and lied in the exact same way Groden did back in the 70's. He falsely stated Greer never removed both his hands from the wheel. Greer literally places the gun in his left hand with his right hand 4 seconds before he fires the fatal shot. It's clear this type of paranoia from retards like Marrs is proof that hundreds of researchers have known for years Greer was Kennedy's real assassin.
    [SIZE=+1]I have studied first-generation clear prints of the Zapruder film and it is apparent that while it may be questionable as to why Greer turned and looked back at Kennedy and then could not recall that fact for the Warren Commission, (at no time did his two hands leave the steering wheel of the limousine.)[/SIZE]

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    The difference was this silly fucking Goon fired a gun right next to his left ear. What a complete idiot.[​IMG]

    Mr. GREER - The second one didn't sound any different much than the first one but I kind of got, by turning around, I don't know whether I got a little concussion of it, maybe when it hit something or not, I may have gotten a little concussion that made me think there was something different to it. But so far as the noise is concerned, I haven't got any memory of any difference in them at all.

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    Thanks, Governor Connally.
    Governor CONNALLY. A very, very brief span of time. Again my trend of thought just happened to be, I suppose along this line, I immediately thought that this--that I had been shot. I knew it when I just looked down and I was covered with blood, and the thought immediately passed through my mind that there were either two or three people involved or more in this or someone was shooting with an automatic rifle. These were just thoughts that went through my mind because of the rapidity of these two, of the first shot plus the blow that I took, and I knew I had been hit, and I immediately assumed, because of the amount of blood, and in fact, that it had obviously passed through my chest. that I had probably been fatally hit.
    So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.

    GREER FIRED RIGHT OVER CONNALLY'S HEAD and when he realized Greer fired it, he hit the floor, terrified. WATCH THE GOVERNOR.

    7forever Active Member

    We now have conclusive proof the fake hand at frame 304 is fake because Greer's left arm's crossing over his right shoulder in the Nix film.
    No hand or arm at 304. Greer's hand is hidden by Roy's head.

    7forever Active Member

    Greer's lies are right up there with OJ Simpson. He was looking directly at Kennedy two seperate times between frame 272-302. The film proves many things and certainly proves Greer lied big time.

    Mr. SPECTER - Were you able to see anything of President Kennedy as you glanced to the rear?
    Mr. GREER - No, sir; I didn't see anything of the President, I didn't look, I wasn't far enough around to see the President.

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    Greer slips up and admits he accelerated after the third shot which is always the last shot for people who are lying. He sped off after his second turn and right after he fired the fatal shot.

    Mr. SPECTER - Do you recollect whether you accelerated before or at the same time or after the third shot?
    Mr. GREER - I couldn't really say. Just as soon as I turned my head back from the second shot, right away I accelerated right then. It was a matter of my reflexes to the accelerator.
    Mr. SPECTER - Was it at about that time that you heard the third shot?
    Mr. GREER - Yes, sir; just as soon as I turned my head.

    This testimony is golden and would convict anyone on trial for murder in a heartbeat. He admits to turning twice here but officially said he turned only once. OOPS!

    Mr. SPECTER - Do you have an independent recollection at this moment of having heard three shots at that time?
    Mr. GREER - I knew that after I heard the second one, that is when I looked over my shoulder, and I was conscious that there was something wrong, because that is when I saw Governor Connally. And when I turned around again, to the best of my recollection there was another one, right immediately after.

    The one you fired, you imbecile.:dunce:
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