Maybe John Kennedy's driver William Greer shot him with an air pistol

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7forever

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Connally was turning to his left during Greer's last turn to shoot Kennedy and saw the gun in his hand before he could pull the gun back down. CONCLUSIVE CORROBORATION from the man who knew exactly what happened. OOPS!!!

Governor CONNALLY. Well, first, again I assume the bullet was traveling faster than the sound. I was hit by the bullet prior to the time the sound reached me, and I was in either a state of shock or the impact was such that the sound didn't even register on me, but I was never conscious of hearing the second shot at all.
Obviously, at least the major wound that I took in the shoulder through the chest couldn't have been anything but the second shot. Obviously, it couldn't have been the third, because when the third shot was fired I was in a reclining position, and heard it, saw it and the effects of it, rather--I didn't see it, I saw the effects of it--so it obviously could not have been the third, and couldn't have been the first, in my judgment.


 

NoDrama

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The grey streak is the door frame from the drivers door, cars in the 60's had lots of chrome and the reflected sunlight plays tricks on you. The Driver did not shoot Pres Kennedy.

An air pistol shooting a poison dart is obviously STUPID, you see Kennedy's head explode, its obviously what killed him. Pray tell what kind of poison dart causes a head to explode? Or is the poison just in case the head exploding doesn't kill him? I would agree it was a conspiracy, but it wasn't done by the driver. Grassy knoll.
 

7forever

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The grey streak is the door frame from the drivers door, cars in the 60's had lots of chrome and the reflected sunlight plays tricks on you. The Driver did not shoot Pres Kennedy.

An air pistol shooting a poison dart is obviously STUPID, you see Kennedy's head explode, its obviously what killed him. Pray tell what kind of poison dart causes a head to explode? Or is the poison just in case the head exploding doesn't kill him? I would agree it was a conspiracy, but it wasn't done by the driver. Grassy knoll.
The driver shot kennedy beyond any doubt and it'll be exposed to millions in the coming years. GREER'S LEFT ARM CROSSES OVER IN THE NIX FILM. That wraps up my year long research and justifies my obsession with proving the obvious.
 

7forever

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The grey streak is the door frame from the drivers door, cars in the 60's had lots of chrome and the reflected sunlight plays tricks on you. The Driver did not shoot Pres Kennedy.

An air pistol shooting a poison dart is obviously STUPID, you see Kennedy's head explode, its obviously what killed him. Pray tell what kind of poison dart causes a head to explode? Or is the poison just in case the head exploding doesn't kill him? I would agree it was a conspiracy, but it wasn't done by the driver. Grassy knoll.
OVER THEN ACROSS=FAKE







Never in recorded history has there ever been a grey streak over any suit shoulder except in the pathetically altered zapruder film.

 

7forever

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It's an optical illusion that Greer DID NOT shoot Kennedy. It is the exact opposite of what is said in the video I retreived these captures from. It's up to the individual to either suspend common sense and logic or cop to the truth and see what they are really seeing underneath an alteration committed in the 60's. It was this footage, ironically that provided the proof which was missed by the few researchers who ever looked at the driver shooting jfk.



 

7forever

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Jean Hill was confused which is exactly what his killers were aiming for at the end. Had that last shot after Greer fired not been fired, there would have been no excuse or alternative recollection for witnesses.

Mr. SPECTER - You thought that perhaps the second burst of shots you heard were being directed toward him by the Secret Service?
Mrs. HILL - I Just thought, "Oh, goodness, the Secret Service is shooting back."
Mr. SPECTER - Can you describe what that man looked like?
Mrs. HILL - He wasn't
Mr. SPECTER - How tall was he?
Mrs. HILL - He wasn't very tall.
Mr. SPECTER - Was he more than 5 feet tall, or can you give me any meaningful description of him?
Mrs. HILL - Well, yes; but I don't want to.
Mr. SPECTER - Why is that?
Mrs. HILL - Well, because I had told several people and I also said it that day down there and the person that I described, and I am fully aware that his whereabouts have been known at all times, and that it seems that I am merely using a figure and converting it to my story, but the person that I saw looked a lot like---I would say the general build as I would think Jack Ruby would from that position. But I have talked with the FBI about this and I told them I realized that his whereabouts had been covered at all times and of course I didn't---at that time I didn't realize that the shots were coming from the building. I frankly thought they were coming from the knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - Why did you think they were coming from the knoll?
Mrs. HILL - That was just my idea where they were coming from.
Mr. SPECTER - Would you draw the knoll on the picture, where you mean by the knoll?
Mrs. HILL - This area in front of the Book Depository---it's right here.
Mr. SPECTER - Just draw me a circle as to where you had a general impression the shots were coming from.
Mrs. HILL - This is a hill and it was like they were coming from right in there. That's when I looked up and saw that man and all the rest of the people were stunned and not moving in that area and yet he was getting out of there--I thought that probably he had done it, and so I went to catch him, for some reason.
Mr. SPECTER - Now, did you have a conscious impression of the source of the first shot that you heard, that is, where it came from?
Mrs. HILL - Well, evidently I didn't because the only conscious recollection I have of that---I mean---until all this other came out---I had always thought that they came from the knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - Did you have any conscious impression of where the second shot came from?
Mrs. HILL - No.

Mr. SPECTER - Any conscious impression of where this third shot came from?
Mrs. HILL - Not any different from any of them. I thought it was just people shooting from the knoll---I did think there was more than one person shooting.
Mr. SPECTER - You did think there was more than one person shooting?
Mrs. HILL - Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER - What made you think that?
Mrs. HILL - The way the 'gun report sounded and the difference in the way they were fired-the timing.
Mr. SPECTER - What was your impression as to the source of the second group of shots which you have described as the fourth, perhaps the fifth, and perhaps the sixth shot?
Mrs. HILL - Well, nothing, except that I thought that they were fired by someone else.

Mr. SPECTER - And did you have any idea where they were coming from?
Mrs. HILL - No; as I said, I thought they were coming from the general direction of that knoll.
Mr. SPECTER - Well, did you think that the Secret Service was firing them from that knoll?
Mrs. HILL - I said I didn't know-I really don't.
Mr. SPECTER - You just had the general impression that shots were coming from the knoll?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - And you had the general impression that the Secret Service was firing the second group of shots at the man who fired the first group of shots?
Mrs. HILL - That's right.

Mr. SPECTER - But you had no specific impression as to the source of those shots?
Mrs. HILL - No.
 

7forever

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The grey streak is the door frame from the drivers door, cars in the 60's had lots of chrome and the reflected sunlight plays tricks on you. The Driver did not shoot Pres Kennedy.

An air pistol shooting a poison dart is obviously STUPID, you see Kennedy's head explode, its obviously what killed him. Pray tell what kind of poison dart causes a head to explode? Or is the poison just in case the head exploding doesn't kill him? I would agree it was a conspiracy, but it wasn't done by the driver. Grassy knoll.
These tools promoted a theory they knew was impossible because they knew the exit wound was on his right rear, therefore totally inconsistent with a right side shot from the fence. This was an alternative to the shocking truth which certainly directly indicted the us government for killing a president. They took the red herring by Kennedy's killers and sold it to the american public.

Here's an accurate angle of both the fence shot and driver.

Taken from the movie. Impossible angle for rear exit.

Excellent angle from fence IMPOSSIBLE.

The driver's view of Kennedy is perfect.

The exit wound caused by driver. The driver killing kennedy is stupid easy.


THE GRASSY KNOLL IS AN INTENTIONALLY FALSE THEORY TO DECEIVE EVERYONE, INCLUDING RESEARCHERS. THE DRIVER FIRED THE FATAL SHOT FROM THE FRONT THEREFORE THE THE RIGHT SIDE SHOT IS A RED HERRING.
 

7forever

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8_hDakTz2I
No fucking way. But it does and it's one more piece of photographic evidence that the film was altered. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR EITHER THE RED SMOKE OR RED BLOTCH TO APPEAR BEFORE THE SHOT has reached his head. In fact, the moment of impact according to this cartoon-like mess is when Kennedy's head straigtens out or appears to move forward. The back of his head never moves forward, that's an illusion from the alteration. I don't know if they intended for his head to move forward but the alteration gives that appearance.

The smoke first

THE RED BLOTH APPEARS BEFORE SHOT AND HEAD EXTENSION WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE IF IT WASN'T ALTERED.

THE HEADSHOT CONNECTS WITH HEAD EXTENSION.
 

7forever

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The grey streak is the door frame from the drivers door, cars in the 60's had lots of chrome and the reflected sunlight plays tricks on you. The Driver did not shoot Pres Kennedy.

An air pistol shooting a poison dart is obviously STUPID, you see Kennedy's head explode, its obviously what killed him. Pray tell what kind of poison dart causes a head to explode? Or is the poison just in case the head exploding doesn't kill him? I would agree it was a conspiracy, but it wasn't done by the driver. Grassy knoll.
Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just about as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot, I believe it was, on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip with my hand, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car.
Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car. She turned toward me and I grabbed her and put her back in the back seat, crawled up on top of the back seat and lay there.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hill_c.htm

COUNTY OF DALLAS, TEXAS
Before me, the undersigned authority, on this the 22 day of November A.D. 1963 personally appeared Hugh William Betzner, Jr., Address 5922 Velasco, Dallas, Age 22 , Phone No. TA 7-9761
Deposes and says:
I was standing on Houston Street near the intersection of Elm Street. I took a picture of President Kennedy's car as it passed along Houston Street. I have an old camera. I looked down real quick and rolled the film to take the next picture. I then ran down to the corner of Elm andHouston [sic] Streets, this being the southwest corner. I was standing back from the corner and had to take the pictures through some of the crowd. I ran on down Elm a little more and President Kennedy's car was starting to go down the hill to the triple underpass. I was running trying to keep the President's car in my view and was winding my film as I ran. I was looking down at my camera to see the number of the film as I ran. I took another picture as the President's car was going down the hill on Elm Street. I started to wind my film again and I heard a loud noise. I thought that this noise was either a firecracker or a car had backfired. I looked up and it seemed like there was another loud noise in the matter of a few seconds. I looked down the street and I could see the President's car and another one and they looked like the cars were stopped. Then I saw a flash of pink like someone standing up and then sitting back down in the car. Then I ran around so I could look over the back of a monument and I either saw the following then or when I was sitting back down on the corner of Elm Street. I cannot remember exactly where I was when I saw the following: I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air. I also saw a man in either the President's car or the car behind his and someone down in one of those cars pull out what looked like a rifle. I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car. Then the President's car sped on under the underpass. Police and a lot of spectators started running up the hill on the opposite side of the street from me to a fence of wood. I assumed that was where the shot was fired from at that time. I kept watching the crowd. Then I came around the monument over to Main Street. I walked down toward where the President's car had stopped. I saw a Police Officer and some men in plain clothes. I don't know who they were. These Police Officers and the men in plain clothes were digging around in the dirt as if they were looking for a bullet. I walked back around the monument over to Elm Street where they were digging in the dirt. I went on across the street and up the embankment to where the fence is located. By this time almost all of the people had left. There were quite a few people down on the street and crowded around a motorcycle. I was looking around the fence as the rumor had spread that that was where the shot had come from. I started figuring where I was when I had taken the third picture and it seemed to me that the fence row would have been in the picture. I saw a group of men who looked like they might be officers and one of them turned out to be Deputy Sheriff Boone. I told him about the picture I had taken. Deputy Sheriff Boone contacted superiors and was told to bring me over to the Sheriff's Office. Deputy Sheriff Boone took my camera and asked me to wait. I waited in the Sheriff's Office and some time later, an hour or two, he brought my camera back and told me that as soon as they got through with the film and they were dry that they would give me the film. A little later he came in and gave me the negatives and told me that they were interested in a couple of pictures and implied that the negatives was all I was going to get back. To the best of my knowledge, this is all I know about this incident. /s/ Hugh William Betzner, Jr.
http://www.jfk-online.com/betzner.html
 

Antidisestablishmentarian

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You do realize that the effects from a point blank range PISTOL bullet and a high speed rifle bullet fired at a distance are different?

You do realize glares and such come from different angles of the sun? You will not see the same glare in every angle.

That was the glare off the Governors hair and the chrome of the car.

You should get some pictures of the interior of the car and see all the chrome.

Or you could go to the Henry Ford Museum and see all the chrome for yourself.
 

Spanishfly

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Get real you guys. Kennedy was shot by Lee Oswald with a rifle that he bought by mail order.

Signed

Grassy Knollington

conspiracy theorist
 

7forever

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"Elephant in the room" is an Englishidiom for an obvious truth that is being ignored or goes unaddressed. The idiomatic expression also applies to an obvious problem or risk no one wants to discuss.[1]
It is based on the idea that an elephant in a room would be impossible to overlook; thus, people in the room who pretend the elephant is not there have made a choice. They are choosing to concern themselves with tangential or small and irrelevant issues rather than deal with the looming big one.

There are so many pink elephant's in this case but the greatest one thus far is Greer's left arm jerking over in the NIX GIF.


case closed
 

7forever

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19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the "play dumb" rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon). In order to completely avoid discussing issues may require you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.
GREER'S LEFT ARM JERKS OVER HIS RIGHT SHOULDER, CLOSING THIS CASE, FINALLY.

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CASE CLOSED
 

7forever

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http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/
Here's a nice gif showing Greer placing the gun in his left hand with his right, before he turns the first time at frame 272. You can see his right follow his left hand to below the driver's door as fits gun in his left hand.

This is before he turns the first time in the 260's. Notice the gun fitted in his left hand below the driver's door.
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Antidisestablishmentarian

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If it was closed why is he not posthumously charged?

If its closed why does everyone here but you think its BS what you're spewing?

You are stuck in conspiracy land.

Want a real conspiracy?

Why do the Texas Rangers play good baseball only when Bush II lives in Dallas?
 

7forever

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The supposed hand that comes off the wheel at frame 304 is completely FAKE. There's no hand or arm and this is a visual fact which anyone can see if it's pointed out and they are willing to see what is clearly not there.
Greer places gun in hand at frame 242.

frame 278 is last frame fitted gun is seen.
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NO HAND COMES OFF WHEEL AT 304...IT'S FAKE. His real hand is hidden by the left side of the passenger's head.
FAKE HANDS FORMS WITH TWO DOTS.LOL


304 NO HAND OR ARM COMING OFF THE WHEEL...IT'S FAKE.
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7forever

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Everyone can see, even the Kennedy Kooks that Greer's left arm is swiftly jerking over his right shoulder in unison with the headshot. CASE CLOSED, with no challenge from any lone nutter or ct'er like Groden and Marrs.

NO HAND OR ARM AT 304-305. IT'S OBVIOUS AND CONCLUSIVE.

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THEY DID NOT BOTHER MAKING A FAKE ARM FOR THE FAKE HAND.:clap:LOL
CASE CLOSED
 
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