Manganese def? Organic soil grow
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Wasn't planning on messing with ph. I watered in a touch of lime for shots and giggles. I was told long ago to not ph soil so I don't.. I do have a ph and ec pens if I ever need
I can try and take a read tonight, but I will say the 2 autos are in the same mix
getogrow
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Not checking it is not the "problem' ....the problem is trying to fix it. thats a whole game that does not need to be played unless you are using bags of soiless mix that you have no idea about or whats in it.
Underwatering is real.....it might not EVER happen in the real world but its surely happinng with the op..... Soil/peat/coco has to stay moist to work right.
When I started and was using tap and phing my water I royally fucked some shit up when it was just my water supply that was causing it. Soo when I went to RO and stopped using ph up and down those issues all subsided.. granted these are all my first water only runs. And I know my souls will improve each round. Just frustrating
Aside from my current issue and previous one of not having enough N to carry thru stretch (was getting lime green plants by week 2 flower) it's been extremely nice only giving water and not measuring out chems
getogrow
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When you are trying to go full organic , you HAVE to keep the medium moist. Also for situations just like this one , its always good to have some instant food laying around. It will NOT hurt the organics , it will improve EVERYTHING in the pot. then once the soil is healthy , it will start feeding your plant the goodies you put in it. Not until then will it even use those goodies. They cannot break down without the help of a healthy soil.
getogrow
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Do not get me wrong , i wish i could run water only.....and im getting there but building a good soil to suit your strains is kinda hard to do. The hardest part is keeping the plant and thje soil healthy enough to let the organics take over. I'll be water only the second i get my worm farm.
green_machine_two9er
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I don’t have time to see if someone has touched on this but. Organic soil grows need wayyyyyy bigger pots. For a plant that size 7-15 gallons. 7 being the absolute smallest. Let alone fabrics. Those poor roots are being tortured and bound. Nothing else to think about until this fixed. Instead of trying to chase your tail with def. fix the basics first.
and yes ro water is not preferred. At least go with a small boy declorinatortype filter or nothing. Or half ro half tap.
and yes ro water is not preferred. At least go with a small boy declorinatortype filter or nothing. Or half ro half tap.
getogrow
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True water only organics is going to require a much larger pot like Green says. (bigger pot = more food =plant grows healthy) Also the bigger pot give the bacteria much more surface area to breed and live in.
Pre cooking you soil helps a LOT. using fresh ingredients will take awhile to be available to the plant. You can speed that up by cooking the soil for a week or 3 before potting next time. (or even this time....up pot them into something big and loaded with food and you will make it to the end with water only)
A tad of molasses to junop start things is always a good idea. Yukka is another goodie that will help break up any unused salts laying in the current pot. For now you just need to feed them with something instant.
I gave em 1/4 strength nutes last night w the tea of gen org stuff. Bloom, bud booster , ca mg, seaweed.
I watered to a bit of actual runoff just to be sure she had plenty of water, bit I don't think I was underwatering. I checked before lites out each morning. Sometimes I do feed a bit xtra bit usually not. I should have not stopped top dressing when I flipped and I would have been ok I think. It is a bit of an experiment for me anyway to understand cannabis and plants and soil more as well. A dear friend of mine is a farmer who's specialty is soil health and biology. Big proponent of bokashi (sdmicrobes. I have her discount code somewhere). And I will buy a bag at some point.
I'll also be moving back up to my 5 gal pots at least to make things a tad easier. The autos are cruising and I've only too dressed maybe 4x total. Teas weekly and sometimes molasses in water too.
Thanks
I also got hydrosolate fish liquid coming today too. Figure I'll feed that with my water tonight
getogrow
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"Bloom, bud booster , ca mg, seaweed "
That sure aint enough nitrogen. You got castings or compost to use ?
The first pic on this thread , your girls were drooping to almost the point of death .....that was a simple underwatering that day. soon as you watered them they stood back up....should have anyways...
That sure aint enough nitrogen. You got castings or compost to use ?
The first pic on this thread , your girls were drooping to almost the point of death .....that was a simple underwatering that day. soon as you watered them they stood back up....should have anyways...
Too dressed with castings 2 days ago and last week
Not sure it matters or helps but the tea is ewc, boos blend Malibu compost, kelp. Crab, bat hi N, neem, langbeinite, alfalfa and molasses 2tbl of everything except langbeinite and humic. Pinches there. I use weekly. Except lang
getogrow
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Yes that helps a lot. Sounds like you may need a boost of mg to get the ball rolling. Give them a couple doses of epson salt in a row then post some pics....
Foliar epsom or water in?
I think between tossing some gen org juices , fish hydrosolate, dolo lime in water, I stopped the devastation, bit will lose most fan leaves, had to take a ton of crunchies off .. oh well live and learn. 7 gal bags arriving today. And now I know in 2s and 3s, don't stop top dress feeding thru end of veg and flip.