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Padawanbater2

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Canna Sylvan said:
Even ask your wife. It's a classic psychology tactic. You bring up, "I'm not saying you're a racist, but a racist thinks just as stupid."

ACC an the holocaust are nothing alike. But both of you know very well a holocaust denier is racist.

There's no defending a holocaust denier. What Rapewan did was put that in there to make ACC denial worse by mentioning the holocaust.

Nice variation o a Godwin though.
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Seriously such a dumbass..

I used the holocaust as an analogy to illustrate how stupid ACC deniers are; just as stupid

Forget about the holocaust, use my new analogy, evolution denial, or maybe, just for you I can dig up something even better

Vaccine denial

People who deny the effectiveness of vaccines are just as stupid and unwelcome in academia as people who deny ACC
 
Canna Sylvan

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Padawanbater2 said:
Seriously such a dumbass..

I used the holocaust as an analogy to illustrate how stupid ACC deniers are; just as stupid

Forget about the holocaust, use my new analogy, evolution denial, or maybe, just for you I can dig up something even better

Vaccine denial

People who deny the effectiveness of vaccines are just as stupid and unwelcome in academia as people who deny ACC
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But you said you'll refuse an Ebola vaccination. Why do you want to become a vector for such a horrible illness?
 
Padawanbater2

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Canna Sylvan said:
But you said you'll refuse an Ebola vaccination. Why do you want to become a vector for such a horrible illness?
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I would refuse an ebola vaccine because I'm not worried about catching ebola and I don't want a needle to pierce my skin if I can avoid it, not because I believe vaccines are ineffective (like you)
 
Canna Sylvan

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Padawanbater2 said:
Indeed it does, religious idiots are normally the first to deny the theory of evolution because it has religious implications

Religious implications don't exclude people from being stupid

Was there a point in there somewhere?
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You don't know that Earth is some menagerie by ET and the reason organisms adapt is because of direct genetic manipulation or from comets infecting us with a virus.

It's unlikely, but not out of the question. Which only makes evolutiin very likely, not a fact.
 
Canna Sylvan

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Padawanbater2 said:
I would refuse an ebola vaccine because I'm not worried about catching ebola and I don't want a needle to pierce my skin if I can avoid it, not because I believe vaccines are ineffective (like you)
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It's not that I don't think they're effective but that they mess with your body's natural immune and digestive system, etc. Also the fact you need boosters and most of the adult population is just as much of a vector as the kids of parents who oppose giving them.

There's a small chance you'll get a reaction and die from a vaccination and you have no way of knowing. If my kid gets some disease from not getting a vaccination I didn't do it. But if my kid dies from a vaccination reaction,.it's 100% my fault.
 
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Canna Sylvan said:
You don't know that Earth is some menagerie by ET and the reason organisms adapt is because of direct genetic manipulation or from comets infecting us with a virus.

It's unlikely, but not out of the question. Which only makes evolutiin very likely, not a fact.
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What kind of stupid ass hypothetical statement is that?

Using that logic, nobody knows anything. Those of us with working brains don't formulate beliefs based on things we don't know, we formulate beliefs based on what we do know

Evolution is as much a scientific fact as planetary motion, human reproduction, mathematics, DNA, tectonic plates, etc.

And if you deny that, you will get laughed out of every single elementary biology classroom on the planet

You might as well walk into an mechanics garage and tell him "it's not a fact combustion engines run on gasoline... you don't know some unknown force isn't providing the mechanism for the engine to combust...", every mechanic on earth would look at you like this;

 
Padawanbater2

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Canna Sylvan said:
It's not that I don't think they're effective but that they mess with your body's natural immune and digestive system, etc. Also the fact you need boosters and most of the adult population is just as much of a vector as the kids of parents who oppose giving them.

There's a small chance you'll get a reaction and die from a vaccination and you have no way of knowing. If my kid gets some disease from not getting a vaccination I didn't do it. But if my kid dies from a vaccination reaction,.it's 100% my fault.
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If your kid gets a disease and dies because you didn't vaccinate him, how the fuck is that not your fault?

That is 100% your fault
 
Canna Sylvan

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Padawanbater2 said:
What kind of stupid ass hypothetical statement is that?

Using that logic, nobody knows anything. Those of us with working brains don't formulate beliefs based on things we don't know, we formulate beliefs based on what we do know

Evolution is as much a scientific fact as planetary motion, human reproduction, mathematics, DNA, tectonic plates, etc.

And if you deny that, you will get laughed out of every single elementary biology classroom on the planet

You might as well walk into an mechanics garage and tell him "it's not a fact combustion engines run on gasoline... you don't know some unknown force isn't providing the mechanism for the engine to combust...", every mechanic on earth would look at you like this;

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We already are making genetic manipulation which could do what I say. I'm in no way refuting the laws of physics like your dumb ass "analogy."

Are we actively searching for this new forces?

People like Michio Kaku says it's foolish to think we're the only intelligent life in the universe. It would be equally foolish to think other ET life wouldn't do GE like us too.

Panspermia is a current active theory. There's evidence the reason we adapt is because of the ancient viral DNA we have. Otherwise why do black people die more easily from Ebola. Why did the American natives die like a plague from our simple illnesses.

Viruses are known to exist in comets. There's a theory that the reason the spanish flu was spread worldwide was because of a comet passing by which followed the path of infection.
 
Canna Sylvan

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Padawanbater2 said:
If your kid gets a disease and dies because you didn't vaccinate him, how the fuck is that not your fault?

That is 100% your fault
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That's catching a disease that's natural. Dying from a immunization reaction is your body telling you that stuff is not what I'm used to. It's impossible to die from a reaction from a vaccine if you don't get one. Unlike it's still possible to get what the vaccine is supposed to prevent.

My autistic like symptoms didn't show up until.after getting vaccinations. The MMR vaccination is known to cause irritable bowl symdrome just like the measles. With IBS you have a harder time absorbing nutrients. One suspected cause for autistic symptoms is from improper nutrient absorption of certain nutrients. My IBS didn't start flaring up until after my MMR as a kid.

Since my kid has my DNA, it's more likely he'll have my same sensitivity to getting an IBS reaction from the MMR.
 
Padawanbater2

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Canna Sylvan said:
We already are making genetic manipulation which could do what I say. I'm in no way refuting the laws of physics like your dumb ass "analogy."

Are we actively searching for this new forces?

People like Michio Kaku says it's foolish to think we're the only intelligent life in the universe. It would be equally foolish to think other ET life wouldn't do GE like us too.

Panspermia is a current active theory. There's evidence the reason we adapt is because of the ancient viral DNA we have. Otherwise why do black people die more easily from Ebola. Why did the American natives die like a plague from our simple illnesses.

Viruses are known to exist in comets. There's a theory that the reason the spanish flu was spread worldwide was because of a comet passing by which followed the path of infection.
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This is why knowing shit is important, so you don't make dumbass statements like this..

Different people are more susceptible to different things because their ancestors evolved in different environments

Malaria for example, it is only located in tropical regions of the globe, namely near the equator. So when Europeans settled in these areas, they were much more likely to die (as well as the animals they brought with them) than the natives because the natives developed resistance and in some cases, immunity because their ancestors were subject to the disease over the centuries and the European settlers had never experienced it.

Same thing with the diseases the Europeans brought with them to the new world. There's something like 14 different animals that have been domesticated in Europe, Africa and Asia, and only 2 or 3 in North and South America, so European ancestors were subject to diseases the entire time, centuries. Most diseases come from parasites that infect animal populations, and living in close proximity to these animals, Europeans developed resistance, just like the natives did with malaria. When Europeans colonized the Americas, they brought disease with them and the native Americans immune system was completely defenseless.

This is the foundation of how vaccines work. They give your immune system a small, safe taste, your immune system creates antibodies to fight the mild form of infection so that when/if you catch the real thing, your immune system already recognizes it and sends out those same antibodies to fight it. Look up cowpox and how it was used to combat smallpox.

For fucks sake, educate your goddamn self and stop making stupid ass statements like this
 
Padawanbater2

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Canna Sylvan said:
That's catching a disease that's natural. Dying from a immunization reaction is your body telling you that stuff is not what I'm used to. It's impossible to die from a reaction from a vaccine if you don't get one. Unlike it's still possible to get what the vaccine is supposed to prevent.

My autistic like symptoms didn't show up until.after getting vaccinations. The MMR vaccination is known to cause irritable bowl symdrome just like the measles. With IBS you have a harder time absorbing nutrients. One suspected cause for autistic symptoms is from improper nutrient absorption of certain nutrients. My IBS didn't start flaring up until after my MMR as a kid.

Since my kid has my DNA, it's more likely he'll have my same sensitivity to getting an IBS reaction from the MMR.
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"MISCONCEPTION #4. Vaccines cause many harmful side effects, illnesses, and even death - not to mention possible long-term effects we don't even know about.
Vaccines are actually very safe, despite implications to the contrary in many anti-vaccine publications (which sometimes contain the number of reports received by VAERS, and allow the reader to infer that all of them represent genuine vaccine side-effects). Most vaccine adverse events are minor and temporary, such as a sore arm or mild fever. These can often be controlled by taking acetaminophen before or after vaccination. More serious adverse events occur rarely (on the order of one per thousands to one per millions of doses), and some are so rare that risk cannot be accurately assessed. As for vaccines causing death, again so few deaths can plausibly be attributed to vaccines that it is hard to assess the risk statistically. Of all deaths reported to VAERS between 1990 and 1992, only one is believed to be even possibly associated with a vaccine. Each death reported to VAERS is thoroughly examined to ensure that it is not related to a new vaccine-related problem, but little or no evidence suggests that vaccines have contributed to any of the reported deaths. The Institute of Medicine in its 1994 report states that the risk of death from vaccines is "extraordinarily low."

http://www.cdc.gov/VACCINes/vac-gen/6mishome.htm#cause
 
Canna Sylvan

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Vaccinations only give a temporary guard against what the vaccination. They use epidemiological studies to assess the effectiveness of a vaccination. There are many other causes for why transmission rates go down. Unless you do a Tuskegee experiment, you don't know for sure the exact cause.

People are much cleaner than the past. We eat a better diet for the most part. Those aren't part of the study why a particular vaccine "works."

A good example is there's questions whether tetanus vaccinations really are effective.

For Polio, the definition of a Polio case was changed and deaths from Polio were under reported.
 
Padawanbater2

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Canna Sylvan said:
Vaccinations only give a temporary guard against what the vaccination. They use epidemiological studies to assess the effectiveness of a vaccination. There are many other causes for why transmission rates go down. Unless you do a Tuskegee experiment, you don't know for sure the exact cause.

People are much cleaner than the past. We eat a better diet for the most part. Those aren't part of the study why a particular vaccine "works."

A good example is there's questions whether tetanus vaccinations really are effective.

For Polio, the definition of a Polio case was changed and deaths from Polio were under reported.
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Do you know what an 'animal trial' is?

We know exactly how effective vaccines are

Again, man... this shit has been studied for over a century in depth
 
Canna Sylvan

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Padawanbater2 said:
Do you know what an 'animal trial' is?

We know exactly how effective vaccines are

Again, man... this shit has been studied for over a century in depth
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Animal trials are useless. Many drugs like research into calorie restrictive mimenics don't work to increase the lifespan of humans like CR does in lab animals. So researchers are trying to make humans get the same biological effects from CR with CRM drugs. But so far it's an utter failure.

Vaccines effectiveness is done through a pseudoscience called epidemiology.

"Following the initial claims in 1998, multiple large epidemiological studies were undertaken"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy
 
Padawanbater2

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Canna Sylvan said:
Animal trials are useless. Many drugs like research into calorie restrictive mimenics don't work to increase the lifespan of humans like CR does in lab animals. So researchers are trying to make humans get the same biological effects from CR with CRM drugs. But so far it's an utter failure.

Vaccines effectiveness is done through a pseudoscience called epidemiology.

"Following the initial claims in 1998, multiple large epidemiological studies were undertaken"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy
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You are delusional

"The scientific consensus is that no evidence links the MMR vaccine to the development of autism, and that this vaccine's benefits greatly outweigh its risks."

The dude got caught by the very medical community you actively condemn. They even went on to say;

"Physicians, medical journals, and editors have described Wakefield's actions as fraudulent and tied them to epidemics and deaths, and a 2011 journal article described the vaccine-autism connection as "the most damaging medical hoax of the last 100 years"."

I suppose this is pseudoscience...

 
Canna Sylvan

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Assuming 1 in a million deaths for a vaccine. Are there 316 deaths free from measles, mumps, and rubella?

Before widespread vaccination, there were about 200,000 cases of mumps and 20 to 30 deaths reported each year in the United States.

So, very few cases, but 10 times the death.
 
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