Light ???

Guitar Man said:

Then how come your post is focused on the subject of Light, but you've never proven that HPS is good or bad via your own experience?

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Did ya read the whole thread, not once have I said HPS was bad, hell growers have been usin em for years, All I have said is it is not the best/right spectrum for plants which is very well known, nothing new. This thread is not about comparing lights, saying one is better than the other. This thread is how to properly use light to get more out of it. which most do not understand thanks to forum rhetoric that has been passed down for ages.

RM3 said:

Did ya read the whole thread, not once have I said HPS was bad, hell growers have been usin em for years, All I have said is it is not the best/right spectrum for plants which is very well known, nothing new. This thread is not about comparing lights, saying one is better than the other. This thread is how to properly use light to get more out of it. which most do not understand thanks to forum rhetoric that has been passed down for ages.

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I did read a good portion of your Thread and I find it interesting, but inconclusive regarding Light. I just finished up a Sour Diesel under 2 150 Watt HPS lights, which are the only lights I have ever used in flowering. I use a Floro during the first part of veg, but switch over to HPS about halfway through that cycle.

The picture below is that plant, which grows through the roof if I don't top her. She is a Sativa, and the picture you see is showing her at over 5 feet tall, and that's after topping. This is also in a 2x4x8 closet, so my room is limited and I have to be careful when growing this Strain, otherwise it's nothing but a fight to keep her out of my lights.

I have grown this Strain 4 complete grows, so I've got a pretty good idea what I'm up against when she comes out of the ground. I keep a "Log" of every, single thing I do to bring my plants to a cured and finished product. Temps, Humidity, Nutes, Soil, exact days of Germination, Veg, Flower, Cut, Hang, Cure, you name it, I pretty much keep a record so I can compare my results.

This Sour Diesel is the most potent Strain I grow. The Trichomes are so dense and plentiful, you can smoke the Shake and get flat, stoned! I also get the most from this Lady! After the hang and initial cure of over 3 weeks, I had 11 full Kerr jars of finished bud, and 2 jars of dank shake (13 total). That doesn't include the potent shake that my wife has used to make oil for edibles. This from just one plant in this little closet.

I also have had this problem with this plant; the bud towers growing too damn high, and into the lights. You can see in this picture, where I use ribbon to pull them away from the light, and they literally grow up and past the light! That's how close they get! Even at this level, the buds remain EPIC and healthy!

Interesting but inconclusive? Then why not ask questions?

Great grow by the way, plant looks awesome and you are doing it with 500 watts good job.

Wanna curb your stretching problem switch to usin the GasLight veg routine, my plants are stretchin less than foot since I switched to it ( saves on the lectric bill too)

I use my T5 grows as example in the thread simply because most think you can't or shouldn't flower with em. Most will tell you they don't/can't penetrate. And yet here I am proving that is not true. My point is not to say hey you all need to switch your lights, my point is if I can do what I do with T5's imagine what you could do with HPS if you simply open your mind and let go of the forum nonsense.

RM3 said:

Interesting but inconclusive? Then why not ask questions?

Great grow by the way, plant looks awesome and you are doing it with 500 watts good job.

Wanna curb your stretching problem switch to usin the GasLight veg routine, my plants are stretchin less than foot since I switched to it ( saves on the lectric bill too)

I use my T5 grows as example in the thread simply because most think you can't or shouldn't flower with em. Most will tell you the don't/can't penetrate. And yet here I am proving that is not true. My point is not to say hey you all need to switch your lights, my point is if I can do what I do with T5's imagine what you could do with HPS if you simply open your mind and let go of the forum nonsense.

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Thanks for the "Thumbs Up" on the grow. I did take a very close look at your grow and those plants do look fricken EPIC! And I agree, grow with the Floro's just to show everyone, it can be done! That's exactly how I am! Prove it and Show it! This is what we need in this industry bogged down by bullshit.

Growing with 2 HPS 150's is something not many people do. I like this setup because I have better light distribution, using the Wattage more effectively because I can spread them apart. I also don't need 220 for these lights; they plug right into 110, using only 4.5 AMPS per light. My 3 base fans and 1 exhaust fan only use about 1.5 AMPS, so that's a total of 10.5 AMPS for everything, on a 20 AMP circuit. Safe and sound, with barely a bump in the electric bill!

I did put up Reflectix to help brighten things up, and I've noticed a better response to the entire plant when I did this. I have to watch my Temps a little closer after doing that, but no problem, since I can open the door to the right place to cool things off.

My thing now after years of experiments is using the tools we have to bring out all the genetics offer and light is one of the single most important things to understand and tweak to do so. The spectrum, the angles, the cycles etc. and it works. I'm here trying to share it now that I've learned it.

I have all these people tellin me I'm an idiot because I'm interrupting my light cycle with 1/2 hour of dark. Mid day depression indoors, not possible they say. Then one saw my temp at 92 and said well with that temp it might be possible, I simply smiled

I like to grow Sats and Sat dom hybrids so I run an 11/13 (kinda) and I get people tellin me that with T5's I should go 13/11 to get the most out of em but 13/11 is an indica cycle and I want my Sats to express their Sat-ness

Most will tell you that fire is all about genetics, I can bring out the fire in any strain and have done so with many and instead of saying wow, how you do that, I get well that is just not possible.

1st pic taken Dec 27th when I flipped the 5 TE plants
2nd pic taken Jan 2 just 5 days later
3rd pic taken this morning 3 weeks and 2 days of flower, they have "stretched" 7 inches (which is all cola )

Here is a side shot of those TE's from this morning

and 2nd is the garden showing size of the plants

Here are a couple of main cola shots of the TE's from this morning,,,

Finally the buds, remember these were flipped into flower 3 weeks and 2 days ago

Now lets post a few shots of the TE that the 5 clones were taken from, these shots are from week 9 of flower, right before I chopped her (she smokes wonderfully)

I do the same thing with photos. I take pictures during the different stages to see how fast, or slow, the plant development is. Probably the most important thing I do in regards to following the genetical response of a Strain. I'm an extremely visual person, so I learn very well with pictures/videos.

I'll check my pics later to see how my buds look at your stage. But I'm sure you know, bud development is a Stain/Genetic thingy. I notice a big difference between the Sativa and the Indica. Harvest is also another difference between Strains, Sativa's usually getting cut, first.

I notice you grow in plastic. Have you used Grow Pots made with fabric? Since root development is so important, using the right container can really make a difference. You have to water more often, but the fabric pots breath and allow the roots to literally grow through to the outside of the bag, which imitates a ground environment.

Hands down, after doing research that would make ones head spin, Grow Bags work better than plastic, period. You will have bigger, healthier plants, simply because your roots don't sit in a pot that is claustrophobic.

You're also doing some experiments I've never heard of before, but that's the fun about this sport. Try it, and if it doesn't work, then try something else.

I also noticed in your last post that you said I was using 500 Watts of HPS. I'm only using 300 Watts. The Lumens per square inch is perfect for my closet with these beauty's! And that is something that lines up with your Thread about light; using too much light is NOT good. I'm not going to put a 1000 Watts in there because I will do nothing but give my plants more than they need.

I want to see your buds when they are ready for chop chop.

My bad on your lights I had it in my head as I was typing that you said 2 250's it was 2 150's ( I had to go look again LOL )

And I have to disagree on it being a 100% strain thing as I have made many strains tric up like that

RM3 said:

My bad on your lights I had it in my head as I was typing that you said 2 250's it was 2 150's ( I had to go look again LOL )

And I have to disagree on it being a 100% strain thing as I have made many strains tric up like that

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RM3, question, how do u get ur plants to flower so quickly? my plants are just starting to bud by week 2, they still finish in 8 weeks but ur plants seem to bud faster than mine?? is it that light interuption? if my buds were the size of urs at 3 weeks im sure my harvest weight would double..

TheChemist77 said:

RM3, question, how do u get ur plants to flower so quickly? my plants are just starting to bud by week 2, they still finish in 8 weeks but ur plants seem to bud faster than mine?? is it that light interuption? if my buds were the size of urs at 3 weeks im sure my harvest weight would double..

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It is the combination of light cycles that I use, and is all about the dark time. The more dark time they get the more flower hormone they build up, this causes em to flower faster with less stretch

RM3 said:

It is the combination of light cycles that I use, and is all about the dark time. The more dark time they get the more flower hormone they build up, this causes em to flower faster with less stretch

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can u give me a line up of ur veg and flowering times? if i use them it shouldnt matter the type of lighting im using right? mh/hps.&T5

My veg routine has 3 names if ya wanna Google em , Gas Lantern Routine, GasLight Veg and 12/1 it is 12 on, 5.5 off, 1 on, 5.5 off. Some strains will actually flower in this routine if that happens you adjust the dark hour, I run mine at 1.5 because of this

My flower schedule is 6.5 on, .5 off, 4 on, 13 off

RM3 said:

My veg routine has 3 names if ya wanna Google em , Gas Lantern Routine, GasLight Veg and 12/1 it is 12 on, 5.5 off, 1 on, 5.5 off. Some strains will actually flower in this routine if that happens you adjust the dark hour, I run mine at 1.5 because of this

My flower schedule is 6.5 on, .5 off, 4 on, 13 off

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thanks, ill give it a shot! if i start to see flowering in veg go 12 on, 5.5 off, 2 on, 5.5 off? that should keep veg right?
how does that flower sced work? only 24hours on timer?

Riddle - he's got a very valid point (tweek) with his question asking if you use root pruning pots. You should try them hombre. I prefer conventional pots painted with copper hydroxide laden latex paint. You can make yourself or pay the man - MicroKote.

RM3 said:

It is the combination of light cycles that I use, and is all about the dark time. The more dark time they get the more flower hormone they build up, this causes em to flower faster with less stretch

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It's my understanding that phytochrome levels is an off/on influence. More will not have any influence on the plant. It's either at a certain triggering level regarding initiating a flowering response, or it isn't. Mel Franks discusses phytochrome hormonal influences FWIW.

TheChemist77 said:

thanks, ill give it a shot! if i start to see flowering in veg go 12 on, 5.5 off, 2 on, 5.5 off? that should keep veg right?
how does that flower sced work? only 24hours on timer?

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6.5 + .5 = 7 ,, 7 + 4 = 11 ,, 11 + 13 = 24

Uncle Ben said:

It's my understanding that phytochrome levels is an off/on influence. More will not have any influence on the plant. It's either at a certain triggering level regarding initiating a flowering response, or it isn't. Mel Franks discusses phytochrome hormonal influences FWIW.

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Lots of documentation on the Gas Lantern Routine, tis used by greenhouses and def boost the flower response I have watched it and it expresses in several ways. They show sex (once mature) they have more bud sites, they flower faster, they stretch less