Libya No Talk?

Carne Seca said:

Stability at the price of civilian blood? So not worth it. It's not just media hype. He killed a lot of people. These people deserve freedom after living under that bastard for decades.

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He killed a lot of people? how many people exactly? 2? 3? a million? To some, a lot of people is 10. ever been in a small elevator? 10 people is considered a lot when you are in one. Can you provide any evidence that proves exactly how many deaths are attributable to Qadhafi?

I wonder how many people got their complete and total opinion on Libya and Qadhafi from watching western MSM?

BendBrewer said:

I just think it is fake. If so, it is nothing but propaganda. Could only find references to it on Right Wing sites. That tells me it is probably Propaganda.

If it is nothing but Propaganda then the real questions are Who did it and Why?

I think I know the answer to one of those.....................

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FAIL.

Scribd is NOT a Right Wing site. It is neutral.

And National Journal is a Left-leaning organization. That is why I used it in the first place.

I gather you are going on the assumption it is propaganda based on the fact that it is being ignored by the mainstream media outlets.

Perhaps you are correct, perhaps not.

The mainstream media routinely ignores stories which do not fit into the narrative of the Left.

NoDrama said:

I think you mistook what beardo was talking about.

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That's because HE didn't know what he was talking about. Words have meanings and are understood when used properly. Oil Contracts supplying Europe and the US? That's exactly what Libya is already doing. Mainly selling it to Europe.

Johnnyorganic said:

FAIL.

Scribd is NOT a Right Wing site. It is neutral.

And National Journal is a Left-leaning organization. That is why I used it in the first place.

I gather you are going on the assumption it is propaganda based on the fact that it is being ignored by the mainstream media outlets.

Perhaps you are correct, perhaps not.

The mainstream media routinely ignores stories which do not fit into the narrative of the Left.

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Fair enough. One must always question anything that Glen Beck breaks though. He has been proven time and again to blow a lot of hot air out of that uneducated ass of his. Just a word of caution.

lol because there is sooo much stability in a country when a militia takes over

BendBrewer said:

That's because HE didn't know what he was talking about. Words have meanings and are understood when used properly. Oil Contracts supplying Europe and the US? That's exactly what Libya is already doing. Mainly selling it to Europe.

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He isn't talking about SELLING oil, he is talking about who will go into Libya to take over the PRODUCTION of the oil. One is exclusive from the other. His sentence structure was good, the words he used were proper. I think you just glossed over his statement and came back with something you had hoped would have relevance.

BendBrewer said:

That's because HE didn't know what he was talking about. Words have meanings and are understood when used properly. Oil Contracts supplying Europe and the US? That's exactly what Libya is already doing. Mainly selling it to Europe.

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I never said contracts to sell oil, I said contracts- contracts to run and own and build oil wells and production facilities and to build infistructure and influence government and controll the finances.
Major difference, you poasted a irrelevent chart.

Aims and objectives of the national council
The "Declaration of the founding of the Transitional National Council" states the main aims of the council are as follows:[30]

• Ensure the safety of the national territory and citizens
• Coordination of national efforts to liberate the rest of Libya
• Support the efforts of local councils to work for the restoration of normal civilian life
• Supervise of the Military Council to ensure the achievement of the new doctrine of the Libyan People's Army in the defense of the people and protect the borders of Libya
• Facilitate the election of a constituent assembly to draft a new constitution for the country; be put to a popular referendum
• Form a transitional government to pave the holding of free elections
• Guide the conduct of foreign policy, and the regulation of relations with other countries and international and regional organizations, and the representation of the Libyan people

In another statement clarifying the goals for a post-Gaddafi Libya, the council has committed itself an eight-point plan to hold free and fair elections, draft a national constitution, form political and civil institutions, uphold intellectual and political pluralism, and guarantee citizens' inalienable human rights and the ability of free expression of their aspirations. The council also emphasized its rejection of racism, intolerance, discrimination, and terrorism.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Transitional_Council#cite_note-30

Oil Contracts Drama. They already have contracts for the oil. You think BP is going to let Libya out of those? You're fucking crazy.

You have failed to make any sense in this thread. Where in the hell did he pull Russia out of? He was wrong. You are defending him which makes you wrong. Now tell me how all Libya's Oil Contracts are currently with Russian firms like he tried to. I'll point out your mistake too. Got it yet?

The oil market is so fluid they just export to italy because it's convienient, the oil is on the open market, it doesn't matter where they sell it, it is supply and demand, it is only if embargos keep them from selling it or in case of war when their is a disruption of free market that where they export their oil matters.
Now any supply or shortage just affects world supply, it is not like italy can not get oil else where or that italy is their only buyer.
What matters is what they trade the oil for and who controlls the production.

beardo said:

The oil market is so fluid they just export to italy because it's convienient, the oil is on the open market, it doesn't matter where they sell it, it is supply and demand, it is only if embargos keep them from selling it or in case of war when their is a disruption of free market that where they export their oil matters.
Now any supply or shortage just affects world supply, it is not like italy can not get oil else where or that italy is their only buyer.
What matters is what they trade the oil for and who controlls the production.

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Then why were you complaining about Oil Contracts going to Europe and the US instead of China and some place called Russia?

BendBrewer said:

Oil Contracts Drama. They already have contracts for the oil. You think BP is going to let Libya out of those? You're fucking crazy.
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No they can't refuse BP oil, that's why they got invaded.

beardo said:

No they can't refuse BP oil, that's why they got invaded.

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Oh..............................well, have a nice day.

BendBrewer said:

Then why were you complaining about Oil Contracts going to Europe and the US instead of China and some place called Russia?

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I was talking about how the conflict with the U.S. and Europe and the sanctions and Gaddafi's desire to move away from dollar based assets was causing Lybia to align more closely with Chineese and Russian governments and corperations and working with them to develop and exploit Lybias resources, Now it will be U.S. and European interests controlling the country, and it's development and exploitation of it's people and resources.

beardo said:

I was talking about how the conflict with the U.S. and Europe and the sanctions and Gaddafi's desire to move away from dollar based assets was causing Lybia to align more closely with Chineese and Russian governments and corperations and working with them to develop and exploit Lybias resources, Now it will be U.S. and European interests controlling the country, and it's development and exploitation of it's people and resources.

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Or maybe this was a Grassroots movement for Freedom Inspired by events in the middle east?

Ya Think?

beardo said:

Now it will be U.S. and European interests controlling the country, and it's development and exploitation of it's people and resources.

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Great. About time I got something from my tax dollars. Sure didn't get any cheap gas out of that Iraq thing.

Are you attempting to be disrespectful toward the people of Libya by misspelling the name of their Country all the time? If so, it ain't working like you think it is.

dukeanthony said:

Or maybe this was a Grassroots movement for Freedom Inspired by events in the middle east?

Ya Think?

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They have already decided to declair Sharia law, I can feel the freedom already.

BendBrewer said:

Fair enough. One must always question anything that Glen Beck breaks though. He has been proven time and again to blow a lot of hot air out of that uneducated ass of his. Just a word of caution.

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Please refresh my memory.

When did I mention Beck?

The trend seems to be to ignore stories unflattering to the Progressive agenda/Obama until they can no longer be ignored. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

If you would like an example, I can provide one. And I don't know who broke it. But the ObamaMedia does not seem so exited about it.

Google Operation Fast and Furious and you will see SOME coverage.

Imagine the blowback if Operation Fast and Furious had occurred under Bush's watch.

It would be BIG NEWS.

Abu Graib BIG.

BTW, I found it on the internet, too.

I did a Google search and Glen Becks page was on the first page. That should be a red flag to anyone. I know it is for me. Didn't mean to imply that you were a mindless follower of that uneducated entertainer at all.

I don't equate a botched gun sting with the mass torture of humans under the name of the United States of America. Those 2 aren't even in the same ball park. It's troubling that you think they are.

BendBrewer said:

I did a Google search and Glen Becks page was on the first page. That should be a red flag to anyone. I know it is for me. Didn't mean to imply that you were a mindless follower of that uneducated entertainer at all.

I don't equate a botched gun sting with the mass torture of humans under the name of the United States of America. Those 2 aren't even in the same ball park. It's troubling that you think they are.

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I don't know where you've been the last couple years but Glen Beck was predicting the future pretty accuratly