Libya: No Fly Zone is a Go! International Effort and No Troops on the Ground

Events in Islamic history have been divided into Faith, Politics, Culture and Innovation.

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Boonierat said:

As a student of comp. sci. at one point and a self-learned computer junky for many years I can see what you are you talking about then.

Include in that the burning of the Library of Alexandria, Baghdad, the sacking of many ancient cultures. Just think, what could the world have been like had the Mongols, or the Visigoths not invaded? Would we have perhaps been far beyond our current state? It's something I think about a lot, all of the lost knowledge of the unknown and known greats of our history.

Beyond that, however, lets talk about Islam for a moment. One point someone close to me brought up was that Islam was comparatively a young religion. The Christians had their crusades, perhaps this is the Muslims' times? Personally, in /completely/ my own opinion, I don't believe it. I honestly believe it is too far gone. The wisdom of Baghdad was lost so long ago that you could almost argue certain peoples of the middle east have regressed rather than progressed, example, the Mountain Men of Afghanistan. I believe they are Pashtun? I could be wrong about that. Been a while since I had my briefing on them. Then again, was Afghanistan EVER full of civilized men?

Back to Islam in general. There are plenty of progressive and peaceful Islamics the world over. Are the horrors across the middle east the last growing pangs of Islam? Just an idea to provoke thought. I personally don't know completely what to believe. Perhaps Gaddafi is nothing more than a throwback of uncivilized times? Perhaps the entire Middle East is ready to embrace new progressive thought?

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Boonierat said:

Not technically. It went through phases. First was Judaism, which is older by Christianity by hundreds of years. Then came along Christianity. And then Islam. Islam is the youngest of the three.

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NoDrama said:

26th Marine Expeditionary Unit ( OOOHRRRAHH!) on the Coast of Libya. 2,200 Marines. So much for “President Obama said Wednesday it was ‘absolutely’ out of the question that U.S. ground forces would be used in Libya.”

Don't worry , they were sent there under the guise of "Humanitarian Support", cuz you know thats what the Fucking Marines do, Support LMAO

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Gadhafi forces bomb fuel depot in rebel-held city

MICHELLE FAUL, Associated Press, SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press

Updated 10:25 a.m., Saturday, May 7, 2011



BENGHAZI, Libya (AP) — Moammar Gadhafi's forces rocketed the main fuel depot in Misrata on Saturday, intensifying a two-month siege on the rebel-held city that has claimed civilian lives and prompted warnings of a humanitarian crisis.
Government forces sent Grad rockets slamming into the depot, which contains vital stores of fuel for cars, trucks, ships and generators powering hospitals and other key sites in a city left darkened by electricity cuts, said witnesses and residents.
Fuel tanks were engulfed in flames hours after the early morning attack, as firefighters battled the blazes. No one was injured, a doctor said.
The attack raised fears of shortages, though some of the fuel had already been moved to other sites in anticipation of such a strike.
"After a few days, we may have a big crisis," said Misrata resident Mohammed Abdullah, speaking by Skype since regular phone lines have been cut. "He wants to bring Misrata's people to their knees, and make them surrender," Abdullah said of the Libyan leader. "Surrendering is impossible."
Some of the heaviest fighting has raged in Misrata, which is of central importance to the rebels as their only major stronghold near the centers of government power in the west of the country. Most of the rebel forces are based in the east.
At Misrata's hospital, a doctor said Saturday's bombing could leave them short of a large amount of fuel for generators. He spoke on condition of anonymity for security reasons.
Amnesty International says Gadhafi's forces may have committed war crimes in Misrata and have used weapons designed for the battlefield and not for residential areas, resulting in civilian casualties and "creating a situation of terror."
The humanitarian situation is rapidly deteriorating because of regime attempts to tighten its siege and block access by sea, the group said on Friday.
Libyan troops besieging the city of 300,000 by land recently stepped up shelling of Misrata's port to close the city's last lifeline. Hundreds of people have been killed in Misrata since February, medics say.

Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/Gadhafi-forces-bomb-fuel-depot-in-rebel-held-city-1370105.php#ixzz1Lh14Y0hD
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Ernst said:

It was fuel and revenue for the rebels.

Gaddafi is winning the war.

The Question remains of will we send in troops? China is rather upset about it all.

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NLXSK1 said:

China is upset about what all?

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Ernst said:

The Question remains of will we send in troops?.

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beardo said:

Except for the fact we have already sent troops in. you already new that though. did you will we send in a large ground force? that remains to be seen.

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TRIPOLI, Libya – Eleven Muslim clerics were killed in their sleep by a NATO airstrike Friday on the eastern oil town of Brega, a Libyan government spokesman said.
The spokesman, Moussa Ibrahim, says the clerics were among a large group of imams who had gathered in Brega to pray for peace in conflict-ridden Libya. He said 11 imams were killed and 50 people wounded, including five in critical condition.
NATO, responding to the Libyan claim, said it had attacked a command-and-control center used by Moammar Gadhafi's forces in Brega.
"We're very careful in the selection of our targets and this one was very clearly identified as a command center," said an official at NATO's operational headquarters in Naples, Italy, who under the alliance's rules could not be named.
NATO has been intensifying airstrikes in many parts of Libya against troops and installations of Gadhafi's regime in a bid to weaken his campaign against a rebel uprising. One of the recent strikes hit Gadhafi's main compound in Tripoli, the capital, and more strikes were carried out Friday.
Ibrahim said the imams had convened a prayer service on Thursday that was broadcast by Libyan TV. When it ended, they went to guesthouse to spend the night, and the attack occurred as they slept, he said, adding that the house was reduced to rubble.
"NATO proves that it doesn't have a moral center," Ibrahim said. "Now they are moving to kill imams, religious leaders who are calling for peace."
Ali Abou el-Sowa, an imam who accompanied Ibrahim at the announcement of the attack, said NATO "should expect a very harsh reaction from all Muslims."
He referred to Osama bin Laden, the al-Qaida terrorist leader killed in a U.S. raid in Pakistan last week.
"I would like to remind my brothers ... how Osama bin Laden came into existence," the imam said. "He was reacting to the extremist actions by the West against Islam. We do not think al-Qaida is justifiable, but we would like to remind you that hatred begets hatred."
The alleged strike on Brega came as Gadhafi faced mounting diplomatic pressure to end his 42-year hold on power.
In Washington, a rebel delegation was meeting Friday with officials at the White House. And in the Hague, Netherlands, the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court said he would seek arrest warrants on Monday for three senior Libyan leaders for murder and persecution — with Gadhafi expected to be among them.
Ibrahim rebutted reports from Europe that Gadhafi may have been injured.
"The leader is in very good health, high morale and high spirits," Ibrahim said. "The timing of the statement is to cover the horrendous crime they committed in the early hours of this morning against our imams."

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