LED Panel Grow - Low Ryder #2

well time will tell, I think its a male, i dont think thats new leafs it seems too smooth for that.

6 days after repotting in those much larger pots, most over roots coming out of the holes in the bottom of the pots. One has some serious roots in all the holes. Pretty fast growth underground at least.

I knocked one of the lowryder sprouts over in the process. It will probably slow it down a little, but it didn't get too hurt. I got to see it's root development though. The tiny sprout above the surface doesn't tell you anything of what is happening down below. There's a nice lot of roots forming. The other has a root sticking out the bottom of it's pot too.

Day 45...

All looking good. Gave the big ones water. Actually had some noticeable growth in the last 2 days so maybe the 18/6 light cycle is better. There's 2 that have been nute & light burned - looking like straggly cabbage. Funny that one has a stem that is twice a thick as any other though.

Widows sprouts are up, I'll call it day 2 for them, may need to help them remove the shell on a couple though.

Day 6 for the new lowryders - nothing is happening, I know it's all underground though.

Can't find an electric fan to buy, I'll go out again today.

You can also check out the male who's gonna live outside from now.

Ordered a 125W CFL - comes with 2 bulbs, a blue and a red spectrum bulb so that should help with the 250w HPS that is a little under powered once the rest of the seedlings get underway.







Naughty foil - hasn't caused any problems so I'm gonna keep it for now.



6 day old lowryder



2 day old white widow.



Here's the male that is gonna live outside from now on. You can see lots of the sacks forming plus those ones from the other day.

lets see if the new "lowryder" sprouts turns out to be lowryders

so was i right?

Looks like a male to me, I think you're right. We'll see very soon.

its one of those things where u feel bad being right lol

Day 47...

Things are looking good. They're starting to grow now that things are stable, light timer is working, nutes are okay, watering is good.

I fixed a zip to my tarp and it looks cool too. Can get in and out easy.

The cabbage ones are still crazy...oh well.

The sprouts are going fine aswell.







Looking healthy



A bit of growth.



Cabbage looking retard. Oh well, we'll see what happens.



Lowryder sprout. Slow...



White widow sprout.



Here's the male that I stuck outside. Some animal found it and at the whole top! Damn.



Here were the roots after repotting after a week or so.



My new package come today. Both CFLs broken! Damn.

wouldnot said:

Day 47...

Things are looking good. They're starting to grow now that things are stable, light timer is working, nutes are okay, watering is good.

I fixed a zip to my tarp and it looks cool too. Can get in and out easy.

The cabbage ones are still crazy...oh well.

The sprouts are going fine aswell.

Looking healthy

A bit of growth.

Cabbage looking retard. Oh well, we'll see what happens.

Lowryder sprout. Slow...

White widow sprout.

Here's the male that I stuck outside. Some animal found it and at the whole top! Damn.

Here were the roots after repotting after a week or so.

My new package come today. Both CFLs broken! Damn.

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thats bullshit about the light they aint cheap and the plants is fuckin g odd nvr seen one like that b4

Day 49...

Good news, 2 others have finally shown sex.

Another male and a female.

Everything is looking pretty good right now compared to problems I had earlier.

New lowryder spouts are 10 days old - still small compared to others I have seen. They are a bit yellow too compared with the white widows.

White widow sprouts are 6 days old and 1 is quickly catching up to the low ryders. 1 seed was eaten by a bug inside the seed. Another isn't growing too well, but may hang in there (I think I pulled the seed casing off prematurely).

Too bad about my broken CFLs, I was hoping to have it going. Store hasn't got back to me yet for a replacement.





Another male. Easy to tell now that I've seen the female.



Healthiest plant, but a bit yellow.



This one is the female.



Cabbage one, lots of weird growth all over the place. Even leaves bulging out from below the first seeds leaves.



10 day old lowryder.



6 day old white widow, much greener than lowryder and catching up fast.

i had a retard like that once but it turned out to be a male fank fuk lol

Day 49??!! And theyre only just showing sex? Did you say these were lowryders? They dont seem too healthly dude... No offence.

Check out my grow!!! lol
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/98266-my-cfl-lowryder-2-grow.html

they will do so much better with a cfl or hps/mh. This is a case of the plant will tell u how old it is and not the calander.

What did you do differently with the spindly yellowy thin curly leaved ones? I remember reading earlier you'd given some nutes, some water etc? Those led lights do look pants!

LED's in the future have massive potential but science still needs to tweak a lot out to make them be truly impressive. If I were to use LED's for seedling/veg phase I would have one panel really close, almost touching the leaves to limit stretching. But in the long run these lights cant project enough lumen's to the lower branches and can really only cover the cola. I have hope for them but until they get improved I am a HID man.

Maybe just maybe if you had more panels and grew in a SOG method it could work but I would not try growing anything over a foot or two using LED's..Good luck, keep us informed.

Also no offense but the quality of that soil looks really bad. Spend a few bucks and grab a bag of Fox Farm Ocean floor, Roots Organics (really good), Black gold or some good ol' Pro Mix. Most high quality soil has enough nutes in it to last several weeks so no need to rush in, plus good organics are not cheap.

I agree they don't look too healthy, I've started some others but I may aswell let these ones grow too.

Soil is some organic stuff I found at a nursery. It wasn't cheap. It has alot of humus, the top looks bad because some of the larger pieces have settled on top. Either way, I bought some different stuff and added perlite to it for the white widows.

Regarding the ugly looking spindly ones, one of them was nute burned and has continued to grow like that even though I've flushed the crap out of it. The other one, didn't give it many nutes but it did get burned by the light, so I'm not sure.

I want to add a 125W CFL, hopefully the store where I got the smashed ones will get back to me today.

i gotta go to the hydro shop this week cuz a 40w hps bulb dont work so im on an ld 400w bulb for the time being. My retarded seedling turened out to be a male so it wasnt so hard to kill it lol

Day 51...

I'm still worried that the plants are way too yellow. I've been doing some research, a bit of thinking and some experiments. I have ordered a proper soil test kit but for now I have used 2 different pool ph kits.

I tested the tap water with my pool ph drops - 7.6

I bought another kit and tested it with a strip - 6.8

Confusing. Anyway, the water may be okay since I did some more tests.

I added the amgrow seaweed fertilizer I used before to some tap water - the ph is off the scale - way below 6.2, if I had to guess I'd say around 5.0. This is not good.

I was trying to get some distilled water but they only had demineralized water - ph tested at 6.2

I added some cheap miracle grow chemical fertilizer to the tap water - ph 6.0

I also bought another organic Nitrosol fertilizer (fish, blood & bone, seaweed, 24 nutrients) - ph 6.2 with tap water.

I also tried mixing some soil with demineralized water and measuring the ph was less than 6.2.

I tried the soil that the white widows are in (which are growing better) - ph 6.4

Chlorine doesn't register with either pool kit, so that is a good sign. Nothing to worry about.

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Conclusions....

My first lot of soil may not be very good. The new lowryder seeds are in this and are starting to go light green with stunted growth. (Indicating low nitrogen, not magnesium due to the way they are yellowing from the tips first and there are no green veins like magnesium would show).

I did manage to get nitrogen toxicity with the granule fertilizer I used ages ago (2 plants went very green then became all deformed).

My next conclusion is the amgrow seaweed fertilizer is dropping the ph way down so is then locking out the nitrogen. The other common ways for nitrogen to be locked out are water logged soil and low organic matter - neither are a problem.

The problem with the fertilizer idea is that the new lowryder sprouts never had any of this, so it must point to mainly a soil issue.

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What to do....

I flushed the 2 cabbage looking ones with a few litres of tap water - they have had plenty of nitrogen.

I gave the 2 females the new organic nitrosol fertilizer (High N). I gave them a thorough soaking so hopefully they respond to this and the ph comes up a bit compared to the other stuff I was using.

I gave the male a dose of cheap miracle grow all round fertilizer. It doesn't really matter if it gets burned now or is not fit for human consumption.

I did an experiment with the lowryder spouts - top one got demineralized water, middle one got some nitrosol, bottom on just tap water.

Hopefully something will happen with my experiments. I'm certain they are nitrogen deficient - stunted growth, yellow leaves. I suspect it's the ph of the soil causing this. The experiment should show some results.

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Here's the pics:





The male showing off his nuts.



The healthiest one, can't call it healthy, it's quite yellow. But it's female!



The other female.



Cabbage #1 - still growing



Cabbage #2 - growing in seed raising mixture. Hasn't been repotted.



Lowryder sprout - about 2 weeks old and stunted. Leaves are light green now



White widow - the stalk is a bit thin, but the leaves are so much bigger than the lowryder sprouts that were started much earlier than them. Must be the soil, could possibly be the strain but I doubt it.

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Camera tip: Something I learned today - If you have an aperature setting on your camera, set it really low. It will help bring more things into focus. And use the Macro setting (normally a flower mode).

I heard that if the pH is wrong then the plant cant absorb the nurtients even if theyre there so if they ARE nutrient defficient then you could be right that its the pH thats the problem...

try clippin some of those leaves that are dead that way the plants dont keep using energy to keep them alive