LED Comparisons?

Just some quick pics recently taking...

Took a clipping today of a nice bud... hope you agree... You will see of screen of green, sea of green, a green see or what you think it may be I KNOW ITS DANK... SWAGGING BABY!


North Wing
SCROG N' ROCKING IT


South Wing


These be some tight nodes and looking nice (12-31-14)


HAPPY 2015 YA ALL!

DANKSWAG

Well a lot has transpired since I last posted.

Prior to being chopped 1-7, these gals were being kept in the dark two days on the 5th and 6th, on third day of drying today.

So as you can see I have since harvested the ladies under the 2 Onyx bloom lights in the North Wing and well soon know the dry yield obtained. Since I the vegged plants I have are not ready to go to replace these I've chosen to cycle out some moms that were getting tall and lankly on me.

These need some help but I figure better to get something out of them then let that space go unused. It's not a perpetual grow if flower stops.... my bad on clone production to available vegged plants ready to go. Something I need to work on.
Mostly had to do with being so consumed with other areas in my life something got put on the back burner and now I am scrambling to get my current clones into a healthy vigorous vegging state. I've got clones to transfer out of solo cups so I am not for behind in getting back to perpetual.

Mom's G13 (2) and Blue Cheese (2), Blue Cheese on buckets due to lower height. Put into 12/12 1-5-15

Now granted these ladies below in the south week don't have long left in flower (8 weeks Jan 28th) Pic taken 5 days ago on 1-5 4 weeks and 5 days into flower.


They are flowering under the 2 Area 51 lights, they are identical clones rooted from same mother and though they "vegged" for 4 weeks longer before getting there chance to shine under the Area 51's they didn't really gain any advantage more of a disadvantage in that they were somewhat neglected for they suffered a bout with mildew and began to show signs of nutrient deficiencies. We had a slight cold spell that brought all that on in the veg room at the time.

So when you see these gals in their current state from when they entered a big difference, I had treated with SM90 and Neem before moving them into the flower room and have top dressed with earth worm castings and watered. I've added some light feeding of seaweed extract, cal plus and molasses into their watering once prior to flower and once again last week in flower.


I am really liking how I am seeing the stalk fill up with flowers filling in. I should be able to get a yield comparable to the what I us harvested it not more because of the length of the colas for the number is somewhat less then I had with the ladies what just produced.


I am inspired to let the next set of girls below grow out longer branches to have even taller colas for I believe theses lights can provide enough usable light to grow colas at least 12 to 18 inches easily. Currently the tallest of these colas above just come under a foot and there is obvious not enough of them.

I am excited about the three gals I've got that are going through individual screen training. I've been able to train the multiple branches one a single plane providing the uniformity I will need with the space available. It will be hard to see any gaps between cola sites and I image I will need to do some serious removal of fan leafs to ensure light reaches as much of individual branches as possible. I've got these in 3 gallon pots verses 2 gallons I've been using.


Nonetheless I think you all will agree I have a thicker canopy with more cola branches. I've got a few weeks to allow them to grow up the branches to about 8 to 10 inches before flower, I am thinking they will get to 12 to 16 inches tall filled with flowers ...

DankSwag

Okay just a little update here, so far my Onyx bloom configuration of 2 LEDs with 4 plants in 2 gallon buckets 3 feet produce N yield consistently in the configuration mentioned. So I have somewhat of a baseline to work from.

Now I am awaiting these gals in the South wing which have 10 days left to put on some weight and fill in the spaces between nodes on each cola stem. Again these gals are under 2 Area 51's similar but different to sibling who have flowered now twice under the 2 Onyx blooms. Expect I grew out the colas a few inches prior to flower and they had some mildew and nutrient issues I had to overcome prior to flower. So looking at where these came from I am sure you agree not bad.
I can't wait to see if the yield is equivalent to the Onyx results.


In the North Wing notice how nice and lush and full of nodes the tops of these mothers are now....A little worm castings, some good seaweed foliage spray and fish fertilizer for the soil and viola back to nice health..I am sure the energy from these Onyx lights sure helped...



Ultimately I can't wait for these gals that I have pruned into more and longer cola sites which has a nicer ratio of Cola to square footage of space. Even if I get twice the yield by quadrupling the number of sites per plant and the length of the vegged colas it was worth the little extra time spent pruning and with using individual screens I can better manage plants individually under a screen and maximize space being used in flower room.


DankSwag

Well folks I've completed my first run under the Area 51 though these nugs appear to have more trichomes then the ones under the Onyx bloom they appear slightly less dense and thick as those under the Onyx Bloom as well.

It's really hard tell which were grown under which light, except for the difference in trichomes which could be a difference in feeding? Essentially what I think it will take is to grow one plant under two different lights and prune it so that you can set a divider between the branches. Then just compare the flowers grown from the same plant but on branches that were separated by a divider and flowered under different lights. Truly I think this will prove the air, soil, water, nutrition a constant for one plant and any difference in the fruit on the branches can be fully attributed to the difference in light source.

Nonetheless I think I am done with testing the lights and more about configuring what I have to get the most out of them.
For now I am on to improving pruning process when it comes to mainline technique. I've seen to much dead space along the horizontal plane of my scrog and I intend to fully utilize all the square inches within the 4x4 foot I can.

Ultimately I think arranging the lights so that one Area 51 is coupled by one Onyx bloom on each side for both of the 4x4 areas I have within the 10X5 flowering room. One thing I can say about splitting the flowering cycle between both the south and north wings is it allows for a monthly harvest and helps even out the entire time involved in producing and processing the harvest.

Okay I've taken these ladies out and set them in a dark room for today and tomorrow then I will chop and hang to dry for 5 days and I will have a better idea on the yield of these Area51s compared to what I've averaged of the Onyx Blooms.


Check Out this flower, does it look frostier then the ones under the Onyx Bloom?


Here is a quick take of the Mom's Two G13s and Two Blue Cheese progressing right along....they are three weeks along


Okay since I pulled the first Area51 bloom out I have replaced them in the South Wing with these fine ladies...


Even though there is only 3 of these gals I believe I have gained some skill in my pruning technique as I hope you all we'll agree though one plant short of the 4 pack I have been placing in this 4x4 area these ladies are full of lush branches ready to produce nice flowers. Day 1 1-26-15 - (Day 56 March 22nd 2015)

DankSwag

Nice chunky nugs man well done

SupraSPL said:

Nice chunky nugs man well done

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Thanks Supra..

any comments about the idea of growing one plant under two different lights and separating the light between the branches to get a more viable and reliable results to compare of the effects of each light between the two sets of branches. I am sure I could prove branches to provide light barrier between two sets?

also what do you think of these new ladies I took out a veg they work really hard on to prodand leave no space on fields and leave no space unfilled.?

DankSwag

DANKSWAG said:

Thanks Supra..

any comments about the idea of growing one plant under two different lights and separating the light between the branches to get a more viable and reliable results to compare of the effects of each light between the two sets of branches. I am sure I could prove branches to provide light barrier between two sets?

also what do you think of these new ladies I took out a veg they work really hard on to prodand leave no space on fields and leave no space unfilled.?

DankSwag

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BUMP....Supra?

Ya I think staggering them is a great idea. I do the same thing with my panels.

It looks like you did an awesome job getting your canopy even. Early on I experimented with LST but as I expanded I found it very time consuming so I have been trying to minimize the time I spend on canopy management and rather adjust the height of the panels themselves. So now I just quickly prune underbush that is shaded out and bend or fim any unruly tops that are trying to take over. When they get heavy in late flower I tie them up where necessary. What I end up with reminds me of trainwreck but it works LOL.

SupraSPL said:

Ya I think staggering them is a great idea. I do the same thing with my panels.

It looks like you did an awesome job getting your canopy even. Early on I experimented with LST but as I expanded I found it very time consuming so I have been trying to minimize the time I spend on canopy management and rather adjust the height of the panels themselves. So now I just quickly prune underbush that is shaded out and bend or fim any unruly tops that are trying to take over. When they get heavy in late flower I tie them up where necessary. What I end up with reminds me of trainwreck but it works LOL.

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Sounds familiar I mean yeah the wire mesh was beneficial in getting the branches on the same plane and yet I had to still do all the under pruning as you describe, its where I cut my clones too.

Anywise its been over a month since I posted. I have since harvested Moms that were BC and G13. I don't care for this phoneme on the G13 I am discontinuing it, no more cuttings.

DankSwag
Update to succeed this post.

So here is an update on the three BC gals I managed to grow nice symmetrical cola branches on in the multitudes I believe I got around tops each or close too, but most importantly multiple one near same heights.

5 weeks into flower, 3 to go projected harvest date 3.22-15




Here's a pic of the flowers I just harvested from the BC moms.


DankSwag

Fellow Cannabisourers,

Just wanted to finish up this thread in particular stating there is NO comparison, hands down Green Thumbs up when it comes to the Area 51 RW 150 verses the Onyx Bloom. From light output to coverage yield and quality, not to mention lower power cost and less heat output.

AREA 51 RW 150 ALL THE WAY!

I've conducted numerous side by sides $ per $ there Area 51 out performs the Onxy Bloom.
Once my next set of Area 51's arrive I will remove the Onyx Bloom from the grow room and configure it to support Area 51 led panels.

Anywise this concludes the LED comparisons. Once I can afford a DIY Panel or Two that is equivalent to the two Area 51 panels over a 4x4 area then I will do a comparison against them to see really what is best bang for the $$$.

DankSwag

PSUAGRO. said:

Each run is different unless your using a mom, which you know obviously. If looking for ROI , and less chance of failure and less wattage use than cheap chinese encapsulated leds(like Dorm). Apache, A51, Hans, etc. will do that for you.

I'm a little biased towards Hans because it can cover the most area for least amount of watts due to his design.

I know of zero pre-built led panels that can cover a 4x4 with 260watts(4 panels) for $1000 shipped to the door.:

http://www.ledgrow.eu/Reviews.html first grow shows what you can do in a 4x4 with 4 panels, it's limitations are the height of the plants. It will not handle "trees", must be kept short for best results IMO.

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Note the inda-gro mini pontoon against the wall lol - for the 730 trigger?

I just wanted to say you are my protégé. Still a novice grower who was looking at one of those electricity wasteful lights with dual ends that's made in Washington. I would like to add your grows avoid plastic and pvc with organics instead. Truly a dream compared to some of the other grows I have viewed here.

Ya, your semiconductors are just truly organic and man-made material free. Just like those organic photons raining down from the stream of power off of that organic power grid.
In my opinion anyone growing indoors under lights preaching organics is blowing a lot of hot air

OneHitDone said:

Ya, your semiconductors are just truly organic and man-made material free. Just like those organic photons raining down from the stream of power off of that organic power grid.
In my opinion anyone growing indoors under lights preaching organics is blowing a lot of hot air

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Certainly, there are environmental concerns when growing inside. In Denmark electricity is produced with wind power. The main concern I have had with it is using harmful materials that have questionable production methods. Here is a you tube video that has caught my eye. Dank has avoided using excessive amounts of such materials. Around the world many people rely on indoor grows to support the process and may be the only way to procure it. Dank also uses LEDs that conserve electricity and work better than conventional lights. There is also the manufacturing of lights containing mercury that is a whole nother can of worms.

I think we better just leave the whole environmental political topics aside.
If were were all truly free to do as we please we would just have a plant outdoor in the middle of our front yard sucking up the free natural sunshine.
Since it will never or has yet to happen - let's see some indoor bud porn!

DANKSWAG said:

Okay I pulled the trigger, from what I heard folks have their doubts about the onyx spectrum compared to the RW-150's.

So here is the plan I have 4 Onyx blooms done deal unless someone wants to take them off my hand I am going to put two onyx blooms one each on the outside of a centered Area 51 RW-150 for both 4x4 areas.

This configuration is a total of 650 watts over each verses 750 watts should I had gone with additional onyx led panels to bump up the light produce and get better coverage, 100 watts less, so some savings there in power and air conditioning. Since the RW-150's are supposed to perform better then the onyx, opting to add one of these panels with the two onyx blooms over each 4x4 should give a nice boost in production, in theory which I am hoping.

DankSwag

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Hey, just wondering if you might be willing to sell the Onyx lights? If so, post Ebay link for quick response.