a senile fungus
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The OP mentions in post #5 that it pulls 334w from the plug
LEC Sun System 315W CMH/Philips Elite Agro 930 - Virgin Flowering Run
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GroErr
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Thanks aphrodisia, they're getting heavy now, having to tie/support some of the centre colas, swinging a bit much in the centre with no support, those trellises are coming in handy now
The total pull including the bulb, ballast, and 120v converter is 386W, actual spec wise for the bulb though is 315W. Overhead could be reduced by about 40-50W running the 240v version. Even counting in the overhead I'm thinking these can easily pull 1gpw maxing out the footprint and a decent producing strain. Wishing I'd had 3x fems coming into this round 
Will be running either 3 or 4 next round depending on the size when these finish up, I have 7 good one's coming up to choose from and all fems so no last minute surprises next round Been running them at 12-14" above the canopy and even at that height I'm getting some light bleaching on the top leaves. The penetration and intensity is amazing, will post some pics showing some the bottom "popcorn" buds on the weekend update. They're not popcorn, I have a couple of lower branches on both plants that were sagging to the point I had to tie them as a couple were almost hitting the floor. Based on this I'm thinking I can raise it to 16" next round, reduce the bleaching, still get the penetration and gain some coverage
I'll measure the coverage @16" before throwing in the next round and get a good picture/measurement of the coverage.
GroErr
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Actually I did another measurement after that post on page 2 and posted the results (pic of the meter reading) at the plug after allowing it to warm up, first time I did it I must have taken the measurement too fast, noticed when I plugged the meter in the second time and watched it, as it warmed up it increased slowly for about 3-4 min. The final reading stabilized @386-389W total pull including ballast and 120v converter @10 minutes after it was plugged in.
aphrodisia
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Well if the actual bulb itself is only rated for 315w thats pretty impressive bud development for the wattage. You end up using more watts with a 400w system than you do with the LEC, should be interesting to see how it stacks up yieldwise to a 400w. From what im seeing so far it could possibly outstrip a 400w in production.
genuity
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i just took mine run down,just looking/feel of the buds...all the lines in the dry chamber are full....i see 600g+ easy
will post pics when all dry..
stronger smells..growing & trimming
more color to the buds
faster bud development
3x3 canopy is perfect
that's what my light pulls at the wall(week long test)
i was thinking about a tent,but i'm gonna just setup all 6 lights in a row,over 6 3x3 flood tables..just like my last run(with some type of netting)
it really is like having the sun in your room.
will post pics when all dry..
stronger smells..growing & trimming
more color to the buds
faster bud development
3x3 canopy is perfect
that's what my light pulls at the wall(week long test)
i was thinking about a tent,but i'm gonna just setup all 6 lights in a row,over 6 3x3 flood tables..just like my last run(with some type of netting)
it really is like having the sun in your room.
a senile fungus
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aphrodisia
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They actually look more mature than 32 days ?
GroErr
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They claim it can replace a 600 hps, I believe it could come closer to a 600 than a 400 with the right strain/training/environment/footprint. Will be interesting to see final weight but at this point I'm guessing I'm double the weight per plant of the last round now and I'll only be 5 weeks in this Sunday. My branches even at the end of the last round didn't have any significant weight to them, they're already sagging under the weight and could have another 3-4 weeks to mature, f'n awesome.
GroErr
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Very nice, that's great, thanks for the update, will be interested to see the final dry weight
These lights with the right strain and method/training could potentially pull a pound, from 370-380W... are you f'n serious? 6 3x3's, wow, that'll pull some serious weight! The payback is a single run though, well worth it Question: I continue to see incredibly fast development. Did you go the full time for your strains? Did you have a comparison against whatever you were using before timeline wise? I'm really questioning that the JTR I have running will go another full 3 weeks, the maturity of the buds is closer to 6 weeks right now and it'll be 5 weeks on Sunday. Just can't see them lasting the full 8 weeks + right now.
GroErr
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Yep, been saying the same all along. They've matured very fast, that's where I'm questioning whether my JTR will go 8 weeks, I can't see it. My son came over this week and was blown away, he's an hps guy for flowering and hasn't seen anything develop this fast. He's thinking at least a week ahead of his current hps run.
genuity
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yup,ran these 4-5 times now...this is the best looking run,not that under hps was bad..Very nice, that's great, thanks for the update, will be interested to see the final dry weight
Question: I continue to see incredibly fast development. Did you go the full time for your strains? Did you have a comparison against whatever you were using before timeline wise? I'm really questioning that the JTR I have running will go another full 3 weeks, the maturity of the buds is closer to 6 weeks right now and it'll be 5 weeks on Sunday. Just can't see them lasting the full 8 weeks + right now.
this is the first time i have really ran any light in it's footprint..with 1000 i just hang'em and forget'em..
i let these go 8 weeks...first run i let go 10 weeks(which could have came down at
and yes..6 of'em..i really like this light over a scrog setup.
GroErr
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Sweet, guessing you're as impressed as I am with them if you're going with 6 of themyup,ran these 4-5 times now...this is the best looking run,not that under hps was bad..
this is the first time i have really ran any light in it's footprint..with 1000 i just hang'em and forget'em..
i let these go 8 weeks...first run i let go 10 weeks(which could have came down at
and yes..6 of'em..i really like this light over a scrog setup.
Will be trying few runs with them at different settings/configs to hit the sweet spot, SCROG could be one of those down the road, they would definitely shine in that sort of setup.6x of these, wow, that would be around the equivalent of running around 3600w of hps, but only pulling about 2300w, very nice indeed... and a hell of a lot less heat to deal with.
GroErr
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Yeah, that should up your weight significantly without spending anything extra, nice choice/option for sure. If you look @$500/light, few if any additional operational costs, you're looking to get back $3000 or less than 1 1/2 lbs., 20-30% of your first full run should cover it, no brainer, great economics...
genuity
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damn it's like you're in my brain.........good man.
GroErr
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Hi all, weekly update @ Day 36 of 12/12.
The fast pace of growth continues on Buds are fattening up well, colas are gaining weight, had to prop/tie a couple that were not supported by the trellis as they were swinging a bit much. Both plants are frosting up nicely. JTR more so but that's normal for this strain.
One thing that's developed this week and quite noticeable are the second and bottom layer buds. There is really no "popcorn" which tells me this light is penetrating well. The trellises are helping there as well, with the main colas tied back, lots of light is getting through. Including some pics of the 2nd/bottom layer buds in the pics and will including more bud porn from here on in
Mentioned earlier in the week that there's some light burn/discolouration on the top-layer fan leaves. Nothing major but definitely some. Going to try running it a little higher next round as the intensity should be fine at around 16" above the canopy. It's running 12-14" now. That would also gain some footprint, maybe 3.5'x3.5'?
Both:
JTR:
PPP:
Cheers
The fast pace of growth continues on
Buds are fattening up well, colas are gaining weight, had to prop/tie a couple that were not supported by the trellis as they were swinging a bit much. Both plants are frosting up nicely. JTR more so but that's normal for this strain.One thing that's developed this week and quite noticeable are the second and bottom layer buds. There is really no "popcorn" which tells me this light is penetrating well. The trellises are helping there as well, with the main colas tied back, lots of light is getting through. Including some pics of the 2nd/bottom layer buds in the pics and will including more bud porn from here on in
Mentioned earlier in the week that there's some light burn/discolouration on the top-layer fan leaves. Nothing major but definitely some. Going to try running it a little higher next round as the intensity should be fine at around 16" above the canopy. It's running 12-14" now. That would also gain some footprint, maybe 3.5'x3.5'?
Both:
JTR:
PPP:
Cheers
ayr0n
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Can only be a good sign - I'd love to have the problem of buds being too heavy
Looking great man. JTR's getting purty frosty
makomachine
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Looking real good! Really interested in your yields and density with the CMH - looks like the plants are loving it.
GroErr
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Thanks ayr0n, yeah, not a bad problem at allCan only be a good sign - I'd love to have the problem of buds being too heavy
I'm used to this outdoor, quite frankly these are rivalling some of my outdoor grows in bud size and weight of the colas, plus faster development, f'n awesome so far. Looks like exactly what I've been looking for, something that can match outdoor... indoor. JTR is a frost machine, nice pheno this one, will keep it going for a while... Thanks mako, hope your grow's going well. Won't be long now. I'm guessing 2 weeks or so for JTR, it's not quite starting the fade but getting close. It ran 58 days last round, I'm thinking 50 days +-2 this go if the development pace continues at this rate. Haven't grown the PPP before but it looks like it can go another 3-4 weeks at this point, it's a 63-70 day strain, expecting it to be ready by 60 or so. I'm guessing the final weight/density will be high based on the weight of the colas. Won't be a record breaker as I didn't fill the footprint this round but will give a good indication of its capabilities. Have some nice plants coming up in veg for next round, they'l let me push this CMH to the limit
Will be picking 3 or 4 of the 5 in this cabinet to fill a 3'x3', maybe 3.5'x3.5'.