LEC Sun System 315W CMH/Philips Elite Agro 930 - Virgin Flowering Run

GroErr

GroErr

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Gotta love outdoor, mother nature got it right for sure :) Sounds like you grew some nice meds, time to enjoy!
Plants are about 24" average, but I've had them tied and wound through the trellises to maintain an even canopy, some of the taller colas are more like 30". Not bad as these were the smaller of the batch coming in, they did ok in the end to catch up.
Final footprint for the area bordered by buds is 24" x 30" between the 2 plants.
 
makomachine

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I pulled the trigger on two RW-150's today, but still considering these to fill out my tent (5x8 so plenty of lighting expansion in the future. I'm jealous of your outdoor grow - nothing beats Mother Nature! My townhome just doesn't afford such luxuries!
 
GroErr

GroErr

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makomachine said:
I pulled the trigger on two RW-150's today, but still considering these to fill out my tent (5x8 so plenty of lighting expansion in the future. I'm jealous of your outdoor grow - nothing beats Mother Nature! My townhome just doesn't afford such luxuries!
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Hey, good decision/purchase, you won't be disappointed with those RW's, I've seen pretty nice results with A51's and those are their latest/greatest so should produce nicely. And yes, you have quite a bit of space to fill so lots of room for alternatives/add-ins down the road. Mother nature knows what's up for sure, those are the cottage ladies, in town where I live I couldn't have those, they would have been ripped off, or my crazy neighbour on one side of me would have reported me "to the authorities" as she'd say ;)
 
GroErr

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Hi all, weekly update/pics. Day 29 @ 12/12, just past the 4 week mark. Wow is all I can say :D

The bud development, size of the buds/colas, shape/aging of the plants, looks like around week 5-6 last round with the LG LED's.

For comparison, posting 2 pics below are of the JTR mother, of the JTR I'm running right now. Closest I could find were the LED round at Day 27, only a 2 day difference. JTR took 8 weeks/2 days to finish last round, pretty sure it'll finish in 7 weeks... or less? :hump:

Both:
All-Day29-Flower-1.jpg All-Day29-Flower-2.JPG All-Day29-Flower-3.JPG

PPP:
PPP-Day29-Flower-1.JPG PPP-Day29-Flower-2.jpg PPP-Day29-Flower-3.JPG

JTR:
JTR-Day29-Flower-1.JPG JTR-Day29-Flower-2.jpg

JTR2 from last LED Round @ Day 27 of 12/12:
JTR2-Day86-Veg-Day27-Flwr-1.JPG JTR2-Day86-Veg-Day27-Flwr-2.jpg

:bigjoint::bigjoint::bigjoint::bigjoint::bigjoint:
 
GroErr

GroErr

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PSUAGRO. said:
Wow is all I can say toooooooooo...............big difference between the two lights, damn I want some agro elite action as well.
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Hey PSU, incredible, will be interesting to see the end result, won't be long ;) It's been weird having them develop so fast, keeping me on my toes to keep them healthy. They're in great shape though to develop this fast and good/large buds, just focusing on keeping them that way now. Pretty sure I'll be getting some more of this action myself in a few weeks if they finish up like I'm expecting :)
 
Scotch089

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I wanna hear the debate on what ppl actually think is causing the rapid change. High CRI? I've been considering giving up intensity for a balanced spectrum. Maybe someone should do a side by side (Erhum, hyroot, btw where has he been?)
 
GroErr

GroErr

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Scotch089 said:
I wanna hear the debate on what ppl actually think is causing the rapid change. High CRI? I've been considering giving up intensity for a balanced spectrum. Maybe someone should do a side by side (Erhum, hyroot, btw where has he been?)
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Would also be interested in opinions on what's in these lights that's causing such fast development. The specs looked good and everything but I don't have a deep understanding of the technology to understand why this spectrum is behaving so different.
I'll be running some under 3070 COB's next round, will try and keep it as close as possible to a side by side. Really interested to see the difference against those COB's.
 
hyroot

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Scotch089 said:
I wanna hear the debate on what ppl actually think is causing the rapid change. High CRI? I've been considering giving up intensity for a balanced spectrum. Maybe someone should do a side by side (Erhum, hyroot, btw where has he been?)
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I've been busy. Traveling, working, networking, shows, festivals etc.. One of my buddies just got an allstart 330 and he is pro hps... I'm thinking of grabbing one too. It has much higher cri and par than these elites. I'm for one all about cri. My inda gro trumped over my a51. Not a fair wattage comparison though. I have a bunch of strains yet to sprout and I can afford an allstart 330 set up. Just bought a washing machine and new bags for ice wax. So I'm broke again. Anyway I need another light to do the new strains. Marrionberry kush, localmotion, Oaxaca x querkle, a new batch of 9lb hammer seedlings (sprouted), and futo mayo x 9lb hammer. Futo mayo is a rare og from japan. So soon I will be rocking those under CMH. Not going elite. But going with allstart which is much cheaper and imo will outperform the elite. I have quantum kush. 9lb, plushberry, mojos, l.a. Con under inda gro. Then cannatonic, xxx og, WiFi og, and sour tsunami x querkle under a51.
 
genuity

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these agro elite have a cri of 92...best i have seen s far.

Superior color quality. Crisp white light. Very High 1.95 PPF per second light source. 3100k color temperature, High 92cri, 33,000 initial lumens (105Lm/W). High 90% lumen maintenance at 8,000 hr / High 85% PPF maintenance at 20,000 hr. Unique Open Rated Lamp construction reduces radiant heat from the arc tube and is suitable for open fixture use.

^^^that's the bloom light

superior color quality. Crisp white light. 4200k color temperature, High 92cri, 34,300 initial lumens (109Lm/W). High 90% lumen maintenance at 8,000 hr / High 85% PPF maintenance at 20,000 hr. Unique Open Rated Lamp construction reduces radiant heat from the arc tube and is suitable for open fixture use.

^^^that is the veg light.

you got some mass about to come on them plants @GroErr
 
hyroot

hyroot

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genuity said:
these agro elite have a cri of 92...best i have seen s far.

Superior color quality. Crisp white light. Very High 1.95 PPF per second light source. 3100k color temperature, High 92cri, 33,000 initial lumens (105Lm/W). High 90% lumen maintenance at 8,000 hr / High 85% PPF maintenance at 20,000 hr. Unique Open Rated Lamp construction reduces radiant heat from the arc tube and is suitable for open fixture use.

^^^that's the bloom light

superior color quality. Crisp white light. 4200k color temperature, High 92cri, 34,300 initial lumens (109Lm/W). High 90% lumen maintenance at 8,000 hr / High 85% PPF maintenance at 20,000 hr. Unique Open Rated Lamp construction reduces radiant heat from the arc tube and is suitable for open fixture use.

^^^that is the veg light.

you got some mass about to come on them plants @GroErr
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that's the 240v versio. Its a different bulb on the 120v. Its a master color. That has a cri of 85.the 330 I think is 93 cri. Or maybe its 90. I know the 860w is 93 cri.
 
genuity

genuity

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this is the 330..
◗ Operating Characteristics (Photometric)
Rated Initial Lumens1 33,000
Mean Lumens, Approx.2 26,400
Rated Average Life, Hours3 24,000
Correlated Color Temp. (CCT) 4000K
CIE Chromaticity Approx. x-.381, y-.378
Color Rendering Index (CRI) 90
R9 50
 
PSUAGRO.

PSUAGRO.

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Remember the 205-330w All-starts run @ their best in a vert position just like the agro elite.............860w is mandatory vert

their will be a slight spec shift /faster lumen depreciation going hort.
 
GroErr

GroErr

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hyroot said:
that's the 240v versio. Its a different bulb on the 120v. Its a master color. That has a cri of 85.the 330 I think is 93 cri. Or maybe its 90. I know the 860w is 93 cri.
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Yeah the 120v brings it down to 85, remember reading that in some spec sheet, can't find it. Don't know if I'd want them to go faster though ;) Would like to see a grow with those All-start bulbs, they show up at 90 cri, long life as well. Only difference is the colour temp is 4000k vs. 3100k for the master colour.

If I were running a single room I think I'd run the 4200k for veg, then switch to the 3100k for flowering. You could probably get away with the 4200k but after what I'm seeing with the 3100k I'd spend the $90 and switch them.
 
GroErr

GroErr

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For the techies in the crowd, gathered what I could find on these bulbs. Posting the charts directly here, only way I could see them from their site was to download the .zip and extract the charts, converted the charts from .tiff to .jpg so I could post them here. Was having a problem with safari, they wouldn't display so thought I'd just post them and save some time for anyone interested.

Official Philips tech sheet link

Spectral Chart:
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Life Expectancy Chart:
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Lumens Degradation Chart:
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Another interesting 3rd party ballast (220-240v) spec sheet with some tech spec/charts in .pdf format, these are for the unprotected bulbs though.
 
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