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Leaf Edges Discoloration? Deficiency, Genetics or Bleaching

Discussion in 'Newbie Central' started by Demonsparkx, Nov 8, 2017.

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    fn217

    fn217 Member

    For CalMag, I really like Botanicare's product in that it includes iron.
    https://www.amazon.com/Botanicare-CAL-MAG-Plant-Supplement-Formula/dp/B004JKBMRW

    And here are some great nutrients for bloom:
    Base bloom nutrient:
    https://www.amazon.com/General-Hydr...527&sr=8-4&keywords=general+hydroponics+bloom

    Bloom booster:
    https://www.amazon.com/General-Hydr...527&sr=8-2&keywords=general+hydroponics+bloom

    Here is the feedchart for the above general hydroponics nutrients. Start at 1/2 dose and work your way up. Make sure your water is at the right pH.

    http://gh.growgh.com/docs/Feedcharts/GH_FloraNova-DTW_03216am.pdf
     
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    Stltoed

    Stltoed Well-Known Member

    Get better!
     
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    Demonsparkx

    Demonsparkx Member

    Ty for the best wishes. Girls been good past few days since the post,i flushed her soil out slightly due to concerns of potential nute and salt build up from reading about how much FFOF is more of a "hot" soil and i slightly believe that may be in a (small) part of possibly where some of the leaf problems arrising from. Flushed till about 1/2L of runoff that measured a more proper 6-6.5PH
    The inital runoff was 4 or lower and i read a few times people seem to consistentially have a very low runoff using FFOF. In my theory anyways,would this be the right thing to do? Seeing as a very low PH would cause lockout from the vital nutrients like P and K? This is my reasoning behind this,i figured it seemed like a better choice to do in the meantime since the soil is basically brand new fresh and it was a recent transplant from its original 1 gal to a 3 which is a gropro pot i believe its called. It has an air/root cone at the bottom thats supposed to help roots grow better by intaking extra o2 due to the shape and airration design of the cone as well as helping with not getting root-bound/root problems since its supposed to help ball the root/(s)
    More so back on topic,shes been looking okay latelt but lot of lower leaves are starting to dull a bit and overall look less lively,more pale in color,definitely what looks to me like nute burn since about 70% or more of the leaf tips are browned and burned.
    Topping that with the fact of the rusted browning spots (not many but previlant to the bottom leaves mostly but not limited only to)
    This is what lead me to believe it is related to soil and lockout? I hope im using that term properly,i have no other noticeable problems with the two other girls both planted in the same exact medium under same conditions. Two aged 41 days (from out of the soil)
    And the one this thread is was started on shes now on day 58 (all plants days-counted from popping out the soil)
    I hope i didnt do soemthing too irreverisablly stupid,however i'll be leaving her alone for the next week or long as needed aside from watering which wont be happening till she starts looking like needing a fresh drink. Water-dry cycle is always implimented with my grows,as it seems to be the best known method. Not starvingly dry completely,but enough,the right balance for watering schedule. Which i may have botched up once before. I have always over-saturated my fresh transplants the day it gets re-planted. At least 1/2L of runoff i usually stick with since im not wanting nor trying to completely flush the soil. From my understanding,flushing can remove bad stuff like salts/nutes buildup,but cant this also mean you can easily wash out a lot or even all of the vital minernals? This is to my knowledge been what people do a few weeks from harvest to apparently help with flower flavour during its last weeks before chopping. I still have a lot of learn ill easily admit,but here i am! If any of my questions are too redundant let me know,until then ill keep my eyes on her and my other girls and keep reading the many other good informational rich threads and post back with updates as applicable.
    Will be getting a nute-kit as suggested per other members on here,within the next two weeks.. (damn paydays...)
    Hopefully everything can hold out till then with diligent and keen eye on progress until i can provide real solutions with actual proper nutes and such. Sorry for the delay(ed) response
     
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    dannyboy602

    dannyboy602 Well-Known Member

    Flushing is necessary for hydro grows but isn't an issue for soil growers. People still do it however and I'm not going to start a debate about an endlessly polarizing subject. If you want to do a side by side, see for yourself if it makes a difference.
    I think you nailed it when you guessed that the issue was a lockout problem. That was my guess as well. Lockouts are common with hard water and Ph imbalances.
    You're right in thinking that flushing leaches out minerals. That's why I like plenty of organic matter and some charcoal...it gives the minerals something to grab on to.
     
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    Demonsparkx

    Demonsparkx Member

    Absolutely! Thanks for your 2cent input on the matter,i try and base judgement well before actually acting upon it,i dont think anyone would want to hurt their crop intential or otherwise (okay,maybe a little bit lol,advanced training LST etc.)
    As for any debates,im not at all interested either so no problem there lol. Some things make sense but at the same time also seems a bit contradictory. I go on a whim from others experiences and go by knowledge and gut instinct. Learning to "read" plants properly is something id love to bring to be a fortè of mine. Being here certainlly helps more than anything thanks to helpful people like yourself.
     
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    dannyboy602

    dannyboy602 Well-Known Member

    Since you'll be growing only one species exclusively you'll find that after a few grows reading your plants becomes easier and easier. Plants only have a few symptoms to exhibit and as you understand more about photosynthesis and soil science you'll become an expert in no time.
     
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    Demonsparkx

    Demonsparkx Member

    Couldn't agree more on that. General traits and characteristics are quite easy per saé to read and adjust accordingly to/for. Some however require a much more in tune touch,aware of all this im sure you already are lol.
     
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    Demonsparkx

    Demonsparkx Member

    So todays the day,hopefully at some point ill get around to the local shop and pick up some things. The GH trio and cal-mag seem like the best choices for my girl(s) bud development has definitely exploded over the last week with fattening,lots of trichome dusting. Most of the more bottom sided leaves aren't looking too happy as stated in the start of the thread.
    Definitely a defeciency as a few members quoted. Don't think anything overly severe it cant thrive and recover from with the proper nutes etc. Runoff has been a good consistent Ph of around 6.0 (liquid test kit)
    Unable to check PPM due to unfortunate equipment cost for my (sad) low end budget. Photos attached are its current progress as of today. Everything looks pretty beautifully thriving,the top leaves near the main top cola though... i personally think are way "over green" and im thinking due to too much [N] but i may be wrong. I'll go back over and re-read others suggestions on how to go about nute'n & feeding. Any further suggestions,as always are very much appreciated! And of course,will be posting progress updates when possible.sorry for any discoloration issues from photos (used camera flash while still under LED [mars hydro 300W full spectrum] TYIA
    -Day 67


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    Stltoed

    Stltoed Well-Known Member

    Looks pretty good man! It' such an unusual grow, i really cant wait to see what it does.
     
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    Demonsparkx

    Demonsparkx Member

    Thank you! Will be following up tomorrow to pick up either the cal-mag and micro & bloom (GH) would this be the best combo or does using the GH micro&bloom negate the need for cal-mag? Simple confusion due to them both having what appears to be the same nutes but im not sure offhand at what levels/differences between them. Budgeting right now is problematic in a sense so please do bear with me :)
     
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    Stltoed

    Stltoed Well-Known Member

    Fuck if you lived in So. Cal I'd give it to you. I probably have 4 different flavors of calmg... haha. I think i would do the trio. It's proven, its cheap, fairly easy. They sell all three micro, grow, and bloom as a set. If you can buy the set. You won't use the Grow this time, but you will use the shit out of it next time. Just a thought. A cheap hydro joint is Bghydro in Pasadena ca. They have killer prices, but if you live in Nova Scotia it probably won' work out.

    Glad to see youre still at it. I hoped you learned a lot. I spend a lot of time at 420 Mag, check it out
     
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    Demonsparkx

    Demonsparkx Member

    Word man,major good lookin out! Unfortunately,im over in Michigan or id very happily take up that offer. Lol.
    I found them earlier prior to EFT clearing.. they closed came time i had my money but ill definitely be picking up the bloom and micro for sure tomorrow.
    Honestly,not tryna promote (i hope im not unintentionally breaking rules in doing so) but my local joint is called budsHydro In michigan. Very nice lil place and carry every growing need for every level grower,even high grade extract/cleaning solivents which is wonderful as most (i think) know, 99%+ Alch is hard to come by,and straigh everyclear is illegal in most states at the highest possible proof. Off topic sorry lol but thanks for your costant and consistent follow-ups on my post/thread! I am avidly following up researching every day to learn more, off these many wonderful threads and forums,including 420 mag.
     
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    Stltoed

    Stltoed Well-Known Member

    You'e gonna do just fine.

    T.
     
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    Demonsparkx

    Demonsparkx Member

    Just wanted to post a quick update,more so due to noticing now that my second plant also developing the same rustic spotting on a few leaves but not terribly all over the plant,mostly on the very lower. Had gave a 1.5L feed two both plants using a mixed PH'd 6.0 tap tested before and after adding nutes each time.
    Ratio used for
    GH Bloom Was (15mL)
    -Ph tested after-
    GH Micro (10mL)
    -Ph tested after-
    And lastly was the
    GH CaliMagic with roughly 12-14 pipette dropped to spoon to be around 1/4 maybe 1/2 tsp so about half strength since in this feed mix i had included the GH bloom at recommended strength for full bloom.
    Basically method was
    Ph tested water,adjusted,added micro,ph tested/adjusted,added bloom,ph tested/adjusted,added calimagic,tested/adjusted

    Everything done in that order wanted to clarify that (failed to mention this feed mix was just for 1Gal) i did mix everything very throughly and let settle a few minutes between ph testing and or adjusting.
    Hope i got this method down more or less. Just wanted 2cents to help clarify any doubts i've had. Anything else i should really know or advized on a more typical feed reg.,from my understanding is something along
    Feed every 3-5 days then water? (For how long est. days should you just straight water?)
    Then
    continue feed reg. Accordingly until near harvest time,(and most seem to do a soil flushing period around this time,and or of course to clear salts and nute buildup at any given time during the grow period)
    Thank you all very much again,especially to member St
    Will post back probally within a week unless any major changes occour before then.
    -Dsx
     
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    Stltoed

    Stltoed Well-Known Member

    So how much calcium has your plant been given?
     
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    Demonsparkx

    Demonsparkx Member

    Given the ratio percentages off the mixes i used

    Micro was at full strength (bloom/ripen) 2tsp 10mL 5% Calcium
    Boom was at full strength (boom/ripen)
    3tsp 15mL 5% Calcium
    Lastly CaliMagic
    CaliMagic 5% Calcium
    Standard is 1tsp:gal
    I used about 1/4 tsp per gal (roughly 12 eye-drops) since the Micro and Bloom mixes are both quite high in Ca content i didnt feel the need to use too much with the cal-mag mix so i went around 1/4 normal strength ratio per gal.
    Very much hoping im understanding the mixing/ratios for feeding properly.
    I dont know how to obtain anything else aside from percentages of the nutrients used per Gal of water i mix with it.
    So overall id give a good estimate of a total around maybe 10.2 - 10.4% worth of Ca went into the 1Gal mix of water.
     
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    Stltoed

    Stltoed Well-Known Member

    I was gonna say give it more call
    Calcium, but if theres a lot in bloom... The spots are telling. Keep track of exactly how much Calcium youve given it and when, sounds like you'e doing that now. Calcium is kinda hard to over do. Give it a little extra for a couple of feedings and watch it. Add your calcium to your water before the other nutrients. Some folks would say add the micro first, i just flipped a coin.

    It' unfortunate that it takes a while to fix it.
     
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    Lite

    Lite Well-Known Member

    that splotch looks like a potassium/phosphorus burn (or maybe deficiency? )
     
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    Demonsparkx

    Demonsparkx Member

    Gotcha! Yeah i didnt do it that way, i just did it how i saw others when they mixed and since the GH pretty specifically says to add that FIRST to the water (GH micro) i added that,then bloom then cal mag. I'll definitely be keeping my eyes on them both till next watering/feeding and definitely take up that suggestion about the calcium,i didnt really take into consideration "calcium toxcicity" since i wasnt sure if it can be easily over-fed with Ca which is why i didnt use probably as much as i should or could have.
    Next batch ill just include the normal full strength dosage of the caliMagic. I was just concerned of the obvious over nute'ing.

    @Lite yes its definitely one or the other,on my younger plant which everything is grown in the same exact condtions 100% that plant is also now showing the splotched leaves/rustic spots as well,considering neither have been fed any type of nutes since day one (first feed was now yesterday)
    Im assuming it could be either or,theyre far transistioned now into bloom/flower so its a tough call if its deficiency due to lack of nutes during flowering or something else. The FFOF had definitely gave me slight Ph issues in the past which i just started recently working on adjusting properly after watering(or now feeding/watering)
    Tested runoff prior earlier in the grow where id get a runoff PH of 4 or worse.... i kept watering till runoff PH stabilized to 6-6.5PH and seemed to have slowed/nulled the ill effects on the leaves mostly. They look indeed plentiful happy and healthy,but lacking just the right things they want which is what im trying to fix right now.
    I have been keeping a much more detailed log every single time i do anything with watering or feeding. Date/amount of water used,PH of water before watering/feeding,runoff PH testing ,the exact ratio amounts of nute(s) im mixing into my water. Every detail possible to reflect back upon so i can adjust accordingly. Hope i didnt forget any other details.
     
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    PopTop

    PopTop Well-Known Member

    I concur with others it's a P deficiency.
     
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