Just harvested today White Widow.

Shivaskunk

Well-Known Member
It's funny you say that... doubling in size sounds like RIU learned knowledge.

I think everyone was a little too anxious to post "too early bro" and did not notice that he only cut the tops and left the rest to ripen up.
I was growing way before RUI was on my radar friend. You are right i did miss where he said he cut top only. Personally I would have let top go a bit longer too. To each their own though. From experience with WW and a lot of other strains that plant coukd pack a lot more weight on. If not double the weight a good 30% increase. Im not slamming the guy at all he did a very good job. I just know that before i had much experience I would cut early too....and its so worth waiting those extra 2 to 3 weeks.
 

HeartlandHank

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I don't have to know much about MJ to know that bang leaves should be yellowing near the top before harvest

Look @ picture with bang leaves still intact> not even starting to lose color yet

No way were those trichomes 100% cloudy yet
You measure the maturity of the plant by the color of the leaves? Can you explain the connection to me? Sounds like Punxatawny Phil type predictions to me. haha.

This is why OP should take the early comments with a grain of salt. Don't sweat it. Yes, to each their own. I just thought after 20 straight comments of "too early" and obvious frustration from the OP I would step in and give my piece.

If the trichs looked ready... there is no reason to get frustrated when the people telling you that you fucked up are harvesting their weed based on the color of leaves.
 

HeartlandHank

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I was growing way before RUI was on my radar friend. You are right i did miss where he said he cut top only. Personally I would have let top go a bit longer too. To each their own though. From experience with WW and a lot of other strains that plant coukd pack a lot more weight on. If not double the weight a good 30% increase. Im not slamming the guy at all he did a very good job. I just know that before i had much experience I would cut early too....and its so worth waiting those extra 2 to 3 weeks.
Perhaps the genetics I grow are the result of my experience... mostly 9 wk very productive branching type hybrids (think Skunk). Most of the weight is packed on by the beginning of week 7.
Say for a 9 wk plant that I keep as a mother... I'll try her at 8 weeks, 9 weeks, 10 weeks and nearly 11 weeks. 9 weeks is about 80% trichs milky (what the OP went by).

From 8 to 10 weeks I've never seen even a 30% increase... let alone 100%. More like a 5-7% increase in yield, with potency loss. Not only degredation, but also more fibers with less resin.
Like I said before... NL plant doesn't even swell more after the beginning of wk 7. If you ask me... the "too early, calyx would have swollen, double the weight" crowd is applying something they hear often to all plants.. when in fact it is just the truth about some plants. Example... Killing Fields from Sannies (NYCD)... REALLY packs on weight in the final 14 days... Not even close to double though... but that can be said for any plant. This is why I assumed you might be speaking from book knowledge.

Perhaps we just grow different type genetics... I know we are in the minority here... but this is why I only need a couple hits from my buds... when I pickup something on the market I take 4-5. More weight, more fiber, degraded resin.. commercial success, falls short of connoisseur.

That ^ is just my opinion and tastes. It's all about what you want.. It is your crop after all.
 

Jogro

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This is really a THC vs CBD argument. Different people will get different results from the same meds anyway. In that regard it is safe to say that potency has nothing to do with the calyx or bud size in general.
I also don't think there is any relationship between the size of buds and their cannabinoid content.

To be clear, contrary to what many believe THC *does NOT* degrade into CBD. The two are created from entirely different pathways, both from the precursor CBGA.

How much CBGA gets turned into THC vs CBD is mostly a factor of the strain genetics. Some strains make all THC, some make some CBG (eg indicas), and some make a lot or even nearly all CBG (ie the CBG-heavy strains like avidekel, harlequin, etc).

When THC degrades, instead it turns into CBN, which has significantly less psychoactive effect than THC, and can cause grogginess or confusion. Most people don't consider CBN to be a desirable cannabinoid (though there may be some who do. . .that's a bit subjective). This is what you get when you let the trichromes degrade (ie before OR after harvest).

Bottom line, while the time of harvest has *some* effect on THC/CBD ratios, the effect is actually quite minimal. If you want more CBD for medical reasons, the best way to get it is to start with a strain high in CBD to begin with.
 

Muffy

Active Member
Great post Jogro. If a plant makes more resin it will seem to be more potent just as taking another hit would also increase your dosage.
 

kindnug

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I've never had a plant finished without yellow bang leaves...You must harvest early every crop.
Just ignore my comments if you enjoy early harvests> hazey grapes mentality
 

mousebuddha

Active Member
same old shit on here, one person says early and the rest jump in 1 week, 2 week, 3 week early, would have doubled in size and potency. Kid took it when he wanted and am sure he had a good smoke. Well done dude.
 

(818)MedicineMan

New Member
I also don't think there is any relationship between the size of buds and their cannabinoid content.

To be clear, contrary to what many believe THC *does NOT* degrade into CBD. The two are created from entirely different pathways, both from the precursor CBGA.

How much CBGA gets turned into THC vs CBD is mostly a factor of the strain genetics. Some strains make all THC, some make some CBG (eg indicas), and some make a lot or even nearly all CBG (ie the CBG-heavy strains like avidekel, harlequin, etc).

When THC degrades, instead it turns into CBN, which has significantly less psychoactive effect than THC, and can cause grogginess or confusion. Most people don't consider CBN to be a desirable cannabinoid (though there may be some who do. . .that's a bit subjective). This is what you get when you let the trichromes degrade (ie before OR after harvest).

Bottom line, while the time of harvest has *some* effect on THC/CBD ratios, the effect is actually quite minimal. If you want more CBD for medical reasons, the best way to get it is to start with a strain high in CBD to begin with.


Great post. I don't have the ability to argue my point in writing like that.
 

(818)MedicineMan

New Member
Perhaps the genetics I grow are the result of my experience... mostly 9 wk very productive branching type hybrids (think Skunk). Most of the weight is packed on by the beginning of week 7.
Say for a 9 wk plant that I keep as a mother... I'll try her at 8 weeks, 9 weeks, 10 weeks and nearly 11 weeks. 9 weeks is about 80% trichs milky (what the OP went by).

From 8 to 10 weeks I've never seen even a 30% increase... let alone 100%. More like a 5-7% increase in yield, with potency loss. Not only degredation, but also more fibers with less resin.
Like I said before... NL plant doesn't even swell more after the beginning of wk 7. If you ask me... the "too early, calyx would have swollen, double the weight" crowd is applying something they hear often to all plants.. when in fact it is just the truth about some plants. Example... Killing Fields from Sannies (NYCD)... REALLY packs on weight in the final 14 days... Not even close to double though... but that can be said for any plant. This is why I assumed you might be speaking from book knowledge.

Perhaps we just grow different type genetics... I know we are in the minority here... but this is why I only need a couple hits from my buds... when I pickup something on the market I take 4-5. More weight, more fiber, degraded resin.. commercial success, falls short of connoisseur.

That ^ is just my opinion and tastes. It's all about what you want.. It is your crop after all.
Great post too. Glad to see others with the same opinion as mine.
 

kindnug

Well-Known Member
Um...excuse me but my shit is much stronger than anything I've ever been gifted or bought @ Dispensaries! Every1 likes to claim theirs is the best but so far I've yet to experience it.
My Trichomes aren't degraded because it doesn't sit for 6 months in the jars.
I harvest with the least amount of amber possible but most cloudy> STILL there is always yellow water leaves before harvest.
If you harvest opaque/clear Trichomes then it's not as strong as it could have been.

Most commercial I've ever blazed was harvested early...connoisseur to me is potent+flavorful SWOLLEN buds!
Hard to believe any1 but Hazey Grapes likes Early buds.
 

kindnug

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The Trichomes on the OP plant weren't 80% cloudy @ the time he cut the top off. Guaranteed.
I never said 2x the weight either smartass, just that it would have been more + that plant was 80%+ clear trich. when he chopped top.
 

kindnug

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I've also had my buds tested @ different wks. by harvesting single tops a week apart...You can send samples in for testing @ some Cali dispensaries for a fee.
Fully cloudy have the most THC contents. I read it before I tested it myself 5 years ago.
 

Da Almighty Jew

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To the Op. No disrespect but dude, you need to learn how to grow. That is white widow and you harvest at 7 weeks?? Anybody who grows white widow knows whats up. And that my friend is not whats up.
 

kindnug

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He posted pictures where you can see the fucken reflection off the Trichomes...Obviously they are mostly clear
 
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