GardenGnome83
Well-Known Member
You are delusional.Going forward......if we stipulate to what the barebones story the bible actually tells us, it means we must read into the story perhaps more than we should be reasonably allowed given the stark lack of detail about things like microbiological phenomenae. Thus this discussion almost reuuires an undue quantity of theorizing and speculation.
So going back to your first point.yes i have thought about the existence of the things you mentioned.....its not quite the gotcha you might have hoped it was. The fact of the matter is this. If we pretend there was a god who created paradise and then humans fucked it up by disobeying and eating from the forbidden tree, then we can also pretend there would have been some severe consequences to their disobedience, especially since they were specifically warned not to touch or eat of it ". Does the bible bear this out?
..."but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die."
Genesis 2:17
So then, God said that if they ate the fruit they would die. Notice what it doesnt say: when or how. Just that one example of missing information should give people like you some cause for pause before jumping on some wacky bandwagon someone else built about how god couldnt have done something about "the way things are" after adam and eve sinned. This just represents a severe lack of imagination and reveals a giddy, presumptuous anxiousness to use specious interpretations of the bible to somehow prove its rediculous because of what some dumb unimaginative people think its saying.
Sometimes the beauty of a thing is in what it doesnt say.....and one of the things the bible does well, to the consternation of many, is that it leaves out alot of detail about certain things. But absence of proof is not proof of absence..as the story of sin illustrates quite well.
So......the bible says eden was perfect and without death......and that god had decreed only one thing forbidden......and that if trespassed would mean death.
So was there death? Yes......there was death. How did god implement the sentence of death? Did he behead or run throuh or crucify or poison adam and eve? No. What did he do?
think.
He who created the operating model of how all living things coexisted under ONE set of conditions, had out of necessity to create a DIFFERENT model of how living things would interact after the sentence of death was given.
Now.....was that really so hard?
The bible owes no one a detailed explanation into every aspect of how things are or how they were done. We are told what we need to know, and using a bit of fairly normal intuitive and imaginative processes we can infer that this creator, who created the garden perfect, had to out of necessity CHANGE the model of HOW nature works in order to carry out the sentence of death for transgressing his command.
Now, notice, it doesnt matter if we LIKE the story or AGREE with the story, but if we are going to argue about what the bible means when it says something we need to use a little common sense and assume that if theres a creator who does things orderly and with all the proper underpinnings in which things must work together to exist.....then this same being would most certainly have not left the consequences of sin to some random accidental series of events.
It is worth mentioning that AFTER the flood god specifically ordered noah to eat flesh for the first time.....and the reason in this case was actually given.........to shorten mans life.
Ill get to your other points later.....
Sin? Just a way to control People through fear. Nothing in the book is real, or original. Except maybe the mention of a few battles, or kings.
There is no divine creator. It's too far fetched. We are not special. We are a parasitic organism that can think, on a rock in space. Big whoop.
Neither will Jesus.
