Israel say's no Palestine, ever.

Should the US support Israel?

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abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Would you please learn the difference between an Israeli and a Jew? There is a huge difference between Israel and Judaism. Stop conflating. All it does is associate antizionism with antisemitism.

Criticizing Israel is one thing and it doesn't make you antisemitic. Criticizing Jews and Judaism is different.
 
Jimdamick

Jimdamick

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abandonconflict said:
Would you please learn the difference between an Israeli and a Jew? There is a huge difference between Israel and Judaism. Stop conflating. All it does is associate antizionism with antisemitism.

Criticizing Israel is one thing and it doesn't make you antisemitic. Criticizing Jews and Judaism is different.
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Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, they themselves declared it so. A good amount of their laws are based on the teachings found in the Torah. So, I do juxtapose an Israeli with a Jew quite often, and I understand your position. I am not against every Jew on the planet, and I apologize if that is what is construed by my writing. It is not my intention.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Jimdamick said:
Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, they themselves declared it so. A good amount of their laws are based on the teachings found in the Torah. So, I do juxtapose an Israeli with a Jew quite often, and I understand your position. I am not against every Jew on the planet, and I apologize if that is what is construed by my writing. It is not my intention.
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Plenty of Jewish people are not Zionist. Some of the most prominent anti-Zionists in fact are Jews. Noam Chomsky, Rabbi Dovid Weiss, Norman Finklestein, Jill Stein, to name a few living. Albert Einstein, Howard Zinn and many other deceased intellectuals were both Jewish and Anti-Zionists. Many holocaust survivors are vehemently opposed to Zionism. Zionism is political.

I know you have no bigotry against Yiddish culture so just pick your words.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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abandonconflict said:
Would you please learn the difference between an Israeli and a Jew? There is a huge difference between Israel and Judaism. Stop conflating. All it does is associate antizionism with antisemitism.

Criticizing Israel is one thing and it doesn't make you antisemitic. Criticizing Jews and Judaism is different.
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That conflation is intentional on the part of many Zionists, to deflect criticism of their activities and attitudes. The under informed are easily sucked into it and its obvious conclusions, which of course are just as wrong.
 
Jimdamick

Jimdamick

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abandonconflict said:
Plenty of Jewish people are not Zionist. Some of the most prominent anti-Zionists in fact are Jews. Noam Chomsky, Rabbi Dovid Weiss, Norman Finklestein, Jill Stein, to name a few living. Albert Einstein, Howard Zinn and many other deceased intellectuals were both Jewish and Anti-Zionists. Many holocaust survivors are vehemently opposed to Zionism. Zionism is political.

I know you have no bigotry against Yiddish culture so just pick your words.
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Exactly. Zionism, as intended was a great idea, or dream that Jews could, and would live side by side with the Palestinians. Somehow along the way though, that philosophy was corrupted, probably because the Arabs felt cheated due to the many promises made to them by Great Britain for autonomy in that area, which never occurred. The Palestinians woke up one day, and a good portion of their land was given away in 1948 by the UN, with the backing of the US ( the beginning of Arab hostility towards the US?). Ever since then, one after another, there have been wars in the Middle East, which Israel always won due to the backing of the US. Then Zionism became a word that was synonymous with Jews taking land they had no legal right to. Today, the Zionist Union is trying to regain that moral philosophy, but as you stated, it has been high jacked by extremists in Israel, to mean that the Jew has a Biblical right to the land, and we will do what we need to do, (Yahweh said so), which is to basically to acquire as much land as possible. It seems to have occurred, and continues to occur, without the consideration of it's effect on neighboring countries, or the indigenous population, or the consequences of their actions on the world. So, what can be done now that original ideal has been tossed? In my mind nothing, it is too late, and that very sad, because it really was a noble ideal.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Jimdamick said:
Exactly. Zionism, as intended was a great idea, or dream that Jews could, and would live side by side with the Palestinians. Somehow along the way though, that philosophy was corrupted, probably because the Arabs felt cheated due to the many promises made to them by Great Britain for autonomy in that area, which never occurred. The Palestinians woke up one day, and a good portion of their land was given away in 1948 by the UN, with the backing of the US ( the beginning of Arab hostility towards the US?). Ever since then, one after another, there have been wars in the Middle East, which Israel always won due to the backing of the US. Then Zionism became a word that was synonymous with Jews taking land they had no legal right to. Today, the Zionist Union is trying to regain that moral philosophy, but as you stated, it has been high jacked by extremists in Israel, to mean that the Jew has a Biblical right to the land, and we will do what we need to do, (Yahweh said so), which is to basically to acquire as much land as possible. It seems to have occurred, and continues to occur, without the consideration of it's effect on neighboring countries, or the indigenous population, or the consequences of their actions on the world. So, what can be done now that original ideal has been tossed? In my mind nothing, it is too late, and that very sad, because it really was a noble ideal.
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Arabs voting in Israeli elections will do it. If hardliners attempt to disenfranchise them it will be obvious that Israel wouldn't be a democracy.

I think I've seen polls of Israelis themselves who seem to support the idea of a more pluralistic and less secularist society. I'm thinking this is the only way forward left, now that the two state solution has been so thoroughly discredited.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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Jimdamick said:
" a greedy Jew"
Now, now, Red1966, "a greedy Jew", Really, that's not a nice thing to say. Actually, I have never heard anyone on this site use that description before, until you that is. Is that first thing you think of when a Jew is mentioned? Seemingly it is. That's not nice, and it sort of shows your deep down thoughts, which would make you an anti-Semite, wouldn't' it.
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schuylaar said:
herr red? now i know a lot of jews and ive never even heard of this..guess i'm not that much of a jew hater like @Red1966 turned out to be.
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LOL....you two trying to make me out to be a Jew hater. That line of demonizing those who point out your mush-brained politics doesn't work.
 
overgrowem

overgrowem

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abandonconflict said:
Would you please learn the difference between an Israeli and a Jew? There is a huge difference between Israel and Judaism. Stop conflating. All it does is associate antizionism with antisemitism.

Criticizing Israel is one thing and it doesn't make you antisemitic. Criticizing Jews and Judaism is different.
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What is the diff. between Jew and Hebrew?
 
H R Puff N Stuff

H R Puff N Stuff

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ttystikk said:
Arabs voting in Israeli elections will do it. If hardliners attempt to disenfranchise them it will be obvious that Israel wouldn't be a democracy.

I think I've seen polls of Israelis themselves who seem to support the idea of a more pluralistic and less secularist society. I'm thinking this is the only way forward left, now that the two state solution has been so thoroughly discredited.
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i disagree a palistiniane state is the only solution.isreal and palistine equally protected by the UN and both subject to rules and consequences.
 
Jimdamick

Jimdamick

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Red1966 said:
First you say I'm a Bible thumping Christian, now a greedy Jew. Wrong on both counts. Your opinions are based on false assumptions of what you want to believe. This is why you are almost always wrong about every subject.
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Well, it seems that you were the one that called the Jews greedy. I never said that, so where did it come from?. Oh, that's right, they came from your big mouth. Is that the first thing you think of when somebody mentions a Jew? Apparently it is, so next time I would think twice before using the words "greedy Jew" in a sentence, unless you are quoting somebody that actually said it.
 
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schuylaar

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Jimdamick said:
Well, it seems that you were the one that called the Jews greedy. I never said that, so where did it come from?. Oh, that's right, they came from your big mouth. Is that the first thing you think of when somebody mentions a Jew? Apparently it is, so next time I would think twice before using the words "greedy Jew" in a sentence, unless you are quoting somebody that actually said it.
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totally repped :clap:
 
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