bigbudjohn420
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i was thinking so but i wanted to know for sure...how can i keep a outdoor plant about 12 to 14 in fully budded with out doing LST and buying pricey seeds online
is this rare or what!!!!!!!!!!!
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CrackerJax
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Back in the 70's .... and this was in books now....ppl would swear that if you moistened ur weed a bit and put it in a coffee can and BURIED it for about 3 weeks.... a mold would grow on it (no sh*t), and this mold would increase the potency by at least three times!!!
Absolute truth.... PPl are CRAZY!!!! Luckily my common sense has always been with me... my friends and I would get all high and read all this stuff.... Let's do it! No fekkin way...!!
But MANY MANY ppl did.....
Absolute truth.... PPl are CRAZY!!!! Luckily my common sense has always been with me... my friends and I would get all high and read all this stuff.... Let's do it! No fekkin way...!!
But MANY MANY ppl did.....
bigbudjohn420
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wow i am with you on that fuck that... dont seem safe to me... any ideals on how to keep it short and small
CrackerJax
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Oh...you just keep it tied down and running parallel to the ground.... you won't have much trouble. Just leave some wiggle room in there in case you have to tie down some lateral branches.
bigbudjohn420
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and those are the one that grow from the nods right
CrackerJax
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Yes.... you will have ONE main cola....and then side branches...just make sure you have some room to tie them away from each other. It's not bad....easy to do....and fun.
bigbudjohn420
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yeah but the thing is ...... is it easy to hide
HardCorps420
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yes, because its so low to the ground, make it in a circle like this:
Low Stress Training 101
Well here we go, LST (Low Stress Training) the ultimate way to maximize your yield.
Before we begin lets get some knowledge on what you will be looking at.
Light Brown : Pot Outline
Green thick Lines : Main Stem
Small Thin Lines with Green Balls on top : Fan leafs
Yellow Lines : Side Branches
Red : Tiedown Metal Hooks (or thread whichever item you use, i use Hooks its easier)
The Text in the box : First digit is Step No. and Second Digit is Pot Size, below the numbers is the type of view your looking at (either from the SIDE or from the TOP)
Now that thats out of the way lets get it on..
Please note, you dont have to do it this way, its just the idea of how to do LST, this is the way i did it and you can see the end result of 4 weeks of growth this way in my signature picture where it says FIM/LST. Some may opt to use the eggcrate method where you utilize an eggcrate around the pot and tie it down to that with zipties instead of using string or hooks running from the pot itself... this way you can cover more square footage and maximize your yield even more.
Ok heres the STEPS PICTURE for you to follow along with.
STEP 1 : Grow your plant from Seed or Clone to 3 or 4 leaf sets, some use 5 but i always use 3 because after 3rd leaf set the main stem starts to harden and it will be harder to bend over your plant properly without breaking the main stem.
STEP 2 : Using a metal hook (i cut small sections of cloths hanger and bend a U shape at the end as a hook) bend over your plant with metal hook at the last internode (space between the last set of fanleafs and the next to last) and stick the metal hook into your dirt to hold down the stem.
STEP 3 : This is really not a step, just waiting time... Take note of how the top of the plant that was bent down will bend back upwards towards the light, this could take anywhere from 3 hours to 1 day. Under my 1000 Watt Metal Halide light it does it in under 3 hours.
STEP 4 : Veg and dont tie down until you have a new leaf set. You will notice Side branching has started already because good light is getting to the main stem areas next to each fanleaf stem intersection with the main stem.
STEP 5 : Depending on your starting pot size you may have to transplant. If you started out with a large pot, repeat step 2 over and over again holding the main stem down with hooks until you reach the end of the pot. In this illustration to save time and drawings, i started out with a small pot and it reached the end of the pot after the first tiedown. I repotted it into a 10 inch pot which will be my final pot size for this plant in order for me to continue the LST Bends around the inside edge of the pot.
STEP 6 : Now that your new leaf set has formed you have enough length in growth since the first bend(s) to allow you to start bending the stem horizontally around the inside edge of the pot. Use metal hooks again to keep this bend in place. Side branches should be coming along very nicely.
STEP 7 : Continue repeating steps 4 and 6, allowing the plant to grow and then keep tieing it down along the inside edge of pot using metal hooks (or whatever your using) Side branches should be forming and growing up towards the light.
STEP 8 : Continue to repeat step 7 until you are all the way around the pot... when you reach the point where your plant first met the edge of the plant Top the plant (cut off the very top of the plant ) and hold it down horizontally with a metal hook.... During all this time of repeating step 7 you should also be tieing down horizontally the new branches that have formed from the main stem as much as possible until you use up as much space as possible inside the pot as well , the outter branches growing over the outside edge of the pot you can hold down as well with string to keep those tops even with the inner branches.
STEP 9 : After you have used up all possible space inside the pot (or your eggcrate) its time to just let it flower.. This is a side view of how it will and should look by that time with all the side branches growing upwards towards the light.... these will all become Collas unlike a non LST plant will only have one colla.
During flowering and even before due to lack of light on the main stem fan leafs which is all the way to the bottom almost against the soil those fanleafs will die off anyways, i usually cut these off the main stem right after the branch has grown out in that area, keeps things neat down below where you will need good airflow during flowering.. so go ahead and take off any fanleafs coming off the main stem that is going around the inside edge of the pot.
Set your timer to 12/12 and watch it bloom
There is no Step 10 in the picture but we all know what that is
HARVEST!!!
Low Stress Training 101
Well here we go, LST (Low Stress Training) the ultimate way to maximize your yield.
Before we begin lets get some knowledge on what you will be looking at.
Light Brown : Pot Outline
Green thick Lines : Main Stem
Small Thin Lines with Green Balls on top : Fan leafs
Yellow Lines : Side Branches
Red : Tiedown Metal Hooks (or thread whichever item you use, i use Hooks its easier)
The Text in the box : First digit is Step No. and Second Digit is Pot Size, below the numbers is the type of view your looking at (either from the SIDE or from the TOP)
Now that thats out of the way lets get it on..
Please note, you dont have to do it this way, its just the idea of how to do LST, this is the way i did it and you can see the end result of 4 weeks of growth this way in my signature picture where it says FIM/LST. Some may opt to use the eggcrate method where you utilize an eggcrate around the pot and tie it down to that with zipties instead of using string or hooks running from the pot itself... this way you can cover more square footage and maximize your yield even more.
Ok heres the STEPS PICTURE for you to follow along with.
STEP 1 : Grow your plant from Seed or Clone to 3 or 4 leaf sets, some use 5 but i always use 3 because after 3rd leaf set the main stem starts to harden and it will be harder to bend over your plant properly without breaking the main stem.
STEP 2 : Using a metal hook (i cut small sections of cloths hanger and bend a U shape at the end as a hook) bend over your plant with metal hook at the last internode (space between the last set of fanleafs and the next to last) and stick the metal hook into your dirt to hold down the stem.
STEP 3 : This is really not a step, just waiting time... Take note of how the top of the plant that was bent down will bend back upwards towards the light, this could take anywhere from 3 hours to 1 day. Under my 1000 Watt Metal Halide light it does it in under 3 hours.
STEP 4 : Veg and dont tie down until you have a new leaf set. You will notice Side branching has started already because good light is getting to the main stem areas next to each fanleaf stem intersection with the main stem.
STEP 5 : Depending on your starting pot size you may have to transplant. If you started out with a large pot, repeat step 2 over and over again holding the main stem down with hooks until you reach the end of the pot. In this illustration to save time and drawings, i started out with a small pot and it reached the end of the pot after the first tiedown. I repotted it into a 10 inch pot which will be my final pot size for this plant in order for me to continue the LST Bends around the inside edge of the pot.
STEP 6 : Now that your new leaf set has formed you have enough length in growth since the first bend(s) to allow you to start bending the stem horizontally around the inside edge of the pot. Use metal hooks again to keep this bend in place. Side branches should be coming along very nicely.
STEP 7 : Continue repeating steps 4 and 6, allowing the plant to grow and then keep tieing it down along the inside edge of pot using metal hooks (or whatever your using) Side branches should be forming and growing up towards the light.
STEP 8 : Continue to repeat step 7 until you are all the way around the pot... when you reach the point where your plant first met the edge of the plant Top the plant (cut off the very top of the plant ) and hold it down horizontally with a metal hook.... During all this time of repeating step 7 you should also be tieing down horizontally the new branches that have formed from the main stem as much as possible until you use up as much space as possible inside the pot as well , the outter branches growing over the outside edge of the pot you can hold down as well with string to keep those tops even with the inner branches.
STEP 9 : After you have used up all possible space inside the pot (or your eggcrate) its time to just let it flower.. This is a side view of how it will and should look by that time with all the side branches growing upwards towards the light.... these will all become Collas unlike a non LST plant will only have one colla.
During flowering and even before due to lack of light on the main stem fan leafs which is all the way to the bottom almost against the soil those fanleafs will die off anyways, i usually cut these off the main stem right after the branch has grown out in that area, keeps things neat down below where you will need good airflow during flowering.. so go ahead and take off any fanleafs coming off the main stem that is going around the inside edge of the pot.
Set your timer to 12/12 and watch it bloom
There is no Step 10 in the picture but we all know what that is
bigbudjohn420
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well thats all great but i cant control the outdoor light.. i will be starting it inside i am wanting to LST in my garden with my tomatoes or i want to LST it down my fince or somthing
CrackerJax
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It's the same.... he just c/p'd an indoor post or article...because most everything written today is for indoor growers.
It's still completely valid....
It's still completely valid....
bigbudjohn420
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i know here is a pic of my friends grow i have been helping her grow...
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bigbudjohn420
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well i went ahead and put them outside in my garden so ill be doing updates but both of them are outside now the soil PH is 7.0 did a test on it i added perlite and peat moss in with the soil gets about 6 to 7 hours of full sun a day should help with kepping them small
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CrackerJax
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No chance of improving that soil?
bigbudjohn420
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well whats the best way to improve my soil like i said i mixed in some perlite and peat moss
CrackerJax
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Oh... I just didn't see anything.... ok ur good. Kind of why I put a question mark at the end there... I wasn't sure.
bigbudjohn420
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well its outside now and i was going go take it and lst one down the back side the one going the other way 
all i am hoping for a 1 to 2 oz dryed off 2 plants hoping that both are female think this would be easy to do
all i am hoping for a 1 to 2 oz dryed off 2 plants hoping that both are female think this would be easy to do
bigbudjohn420
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i guess everyone left this thread .. that sucks
CrackerJax
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Still here..... what's ur question. If you added in peat and perlite and you feel ur soil is now loamy enough...ur good to go.
bigbudjohn420
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well i was outside mess'n around with some things and i found that at my back fenece line that the soil there is black and very loamy not sure why the super soil but its there i did a PH on it came back 6.8
what do you think... should i ass some of that soil in with my garden for my MJ
what do you think... should i ass some of that soil in with my garden for my MJ