Is cannabis use a sin?

NietzscheKeen

NietzscheKeen

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Einstein did not believe in any gods. When he spoke of God, he was speaking in metaphor. How do I know this? I've read many of his letters and journal entries. He talks of the God of Spinoza, which isn't anything like the traditional idea of God.

Articles written and links compiled by a colleague of mine regarding Spinoza.
http://capone.mtsu.edu/rbombard/RB/spinoza.new.html\

Also, I mentioned it somewhere before but never linked too it. Since I was accused of lying, I thought I'd let you read it for yourselves.
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/Non-Believing-Clergy.pdf
Topic: Preachers losing faith in seminary. I'm definitely not the only one.
 
Guitar Man

Guitar Man

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Zaehet Strife said:
It has been imprinted in their genetic code, they call it instinct. Elephants can do the same thing, it is something they inherit from their parents, who inherited it from theirs...for millions of years.

Bro, nothing we can say... no question we answer will help you realize how biological evolution and natural selection work, like i've said before, just because you don't understand something does not automatically make it false.

I'm sorry you haven't taken the time to try to think objectively about this, without letting your emotions get involved... but that is always hard to ask when a concept conflicts with someones belief.

This conversation will inevitablety end up in circles, you keep saying biological evolution and natural selection isn't true... and we'll keep telling you to do more research that you won't do.

It's ok if you want to think evolution never happened, or still doesn't happen... but if you come to a website and give us your opinion about evolution we are going to laugh at your willed ignorance, make fun of you, and tell you to go back to school. You want it simple? Well im sorry, sometimes you have to work hard to understand evolution, natural selection, what stars are, how rainbows are made, how different formations of clouds are made, what neutron stars and pulsars are...

Sometimes learning is hard... and those of us who have put the time into actually figuring out the truth about the way things work in this existence (rather than provide ourselves with made up truths) merely shrug and laugh at your laziness and willed ignorance.
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I never said that "Certain" types of Evolution don't take place. I'm not a dumb fuck! You put an animal in a cold climate and its fur will change and adapt to that climate. I have no problem understanding and believing this, BECAUSE, we have PROOF it truly happens. But let me make myself PERFECTLY CLEAR; I don't believe we Evolved from nothing to something, like this picture, and the example above does not prove we Evolved from monkeys to humans.

And don’t tell me that you guys don’t believe this anymore because this is where all of this BULLSHIT started! By you backing away from this picture PROVES, you really aren’t sure where we came from and that you will change your mind as soon as the tide changes!

With me, God settles the score, not Religion. I see God clearly, by the things that are MADE, as the machine of a Human Body is nothing short of miracle, full of balance, math, defense mechanisms, emotion, and the ability to procreate!


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Guitar Man

Guitar Man

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NietzscheKeen said:
Einstein did not believe in any gods. When he spoke of God, he was speaking in metaphor. How do I know this? I've read many of his letters and journal entries. He talks of the God of Spinoza, which isn't anything like the traditional idea of God.

Articles written and links compiled by a colleague of mine regarding Spinoza.
http://capone.mtsu.edu/rbombard/RB/spinoza.new.html\

Also, I mentioned it somewhere before but never linked too it. Since I was accused of lying, I thought I'd let you read it for yourselves.
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/Non-Believing-Clergy.pdf
Topic: Preachers losing faith in seminary. I'm definitely not the only one.
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NietzscheKeen, the article you posted in no way PROVES Einstein didn't believe in God. It doesn't matter if he talked about the God of Muhammad, Einstein believed in a "Higher Power", and the attached article points this out CLEARLY. His feelings were much like mine, as he saw God through the study, observance, and the miracle of Creation. Here is an excerpt from the link below:

"It may seem logical, in retrospect, that a combination of awe and rebellion made Einstein exceptional as a scientist. But what is less well known is that those two traits also combined to shape his spiritual journey and determine the nature of his faith. The rebellion part comes in at the beginning of his life: he rejected at first his parents' secularism and later the concepts of religious ritual and of a personal God who intercedes in the daily workings of the world. But the awe part comes in his 50s when he settled into a deism based on what he called the "spirit manifest in the laws of the universe" and a sincere belief in a "God who reveals Himself in the harmony of all that exists."


Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1607298,00.html#ixzz2Ja0BHrst​
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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Guitar Man said:
I never said that "Certain" types of Evolution don't take place. I'm not a dumb fuck! You put an animal in a cold climate and its fur will change and adapt to that climate. I have no problem understanding and believing this, BECAUSE, we have PROOF it truly happens. But let me make myself PERFECTLY CLEAR; I don't believe we Evolved from nothing to something, like this picture, and the example above does not prove we Evolved from monkeys to humans.

And don’t tell me that you guys don’t believe this anymore because this is where all of this BULLSHIT started! By you backing away from this picture PROVES, you really aren’t sure where we came from and that you will change your mind as soon as the tide changes!

With me, God settles the score, not Religion. I see God clearly, by the things that are MADE, as the machine of a Human Body is nothing short of miracle, full of balance, math, defense mechanisms, emotion, and the ability to procreate!


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Ok then, taking away hundreds of years of scientific evaluation... what is your simple hypothesis on how the homo-sapien species of animal began to appear on the planet?

It seems to me as if you are implying that the homo-sapien animal did not have to go through the processes of evolution and natural selection unlike every single other creature on the planet.

So do tell, what is your hypothesis on how our species of animal began to roam the earth?



Also, Einstein did not believe in a personal god... stop trying to twist words to fit your own desires dude. Yes, he may have believed in a god, but definitely not one that meddles in human animal affairs.

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
- Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in Albert Einstein: The Human Side
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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Guitar Man said:
This doesn't answer my question. You answer my question, first, then I'll answer yours. (BTW, I do have an answer for yours)
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My question is the same as yours. I never said something came from nothing, or something came from something. This is another strawman you are trying to assign. The big bang makes no mention of what occurred before it, as the theory is unconcerned with that fact. Just as evolution describes how life evolved, not how life came into being.


Guitar Man said:
I never said that "Certain" types of Evolution don't take place. I'm not a dumb fuck! You put an animal in a cold climate and its fur will change and adapt to that climate. I have no problem understanding and believing this, BECAUSE, we have PROOF it truly happens. But let me make myself PERFECTLY CLEAR; I don't believe we Evolved from nothing to something, like this picture, and the example above does not prove we Evolved from monkeys to humans.

And don’t tell me that you guys don’t believe this anymore because this is where all of this BULLSHIT started! By you backing away from this picture PROVES, you really aren’t sure where we came from and that you will change your mind as soon as the tide changes!


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So in school you payed no attention to detail and instead just looked at the pictures and made your own assumptions, and now you want us to argue against those assumptions.

You can only offer strawmen because the words coming out of our mouths aren't easy to answer, and so you put some in there that are. You live in a pretend world where you pretend to be right.

With me, God settles the score, not Religion. I see God clearly, by the things that are MADE, as the machine of a Human Body is nothing short of miracle, full of balance, math, defense mechanisms, emotion, and the ability to procreate!
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That's fine for you but stop using your limited imagination to judge others. Some of us are capable of studying life without assigning imaginary agents.
 
NietzscheKeen

NietzscheKeen

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In all fairness, I had some pretty terrible teachers in my highschool. Several of them were fundamentalists that refused to teach evolution, etc. instead they offered strawman arguments and false information. Maybe he had a teacher such as this...
If that is the case, then he obviously doesn't care about the truth or a quality education because there are numerous sources that will give him a true understanding of the theories.
You have to know what your opponent is arguing before you can even begin to counter argue or fact check, okay? Unfortunately for all of us, he thinks he HAS an understanding of it when all he has is a rehashed creationist version of the theory of evolution and big bang.
 
Heisenberg

Heisenberg

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"If an outsider perceives 'something wrong' with a core scientific model, the humble and justified response of that curious outsider should be to ask 'what mistake am I making?' before assuming 100% of the experts are wrong." - David Brin
 
Zaehet Strife

Zaehet Strife

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i know this probably belongs in my thread, but i thought it relevant, i just hope dude doesn't skip your amazing post Heis.

 
NKultra242

NKultra242

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think for yourself, to whoever feels they need approval from others to do what they truly feel in their heart is harmless and good.
 
nameno

nameno

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Ya'll know some big words,I'm simple.After I became willing to try God's way with an open mind I came to believe in him.I didn't understand the bible until I asked him to come into MY life. I asked him to show me he was real & I saw things happening in my life I couldn't explain.Now I know the bible is living,God is real & Jesus rose from the dead. I don't claim to be a saint or perfect nor do I expect to be,but I try to live by his instructions.

I leave something to think about:
Ashes to ashes
dust to dust
if he believed in Jesus
He'd be going to heaven with us.Peace
 
brotherjericho

brotherjericho

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Thread too long, did not read to see if this was posted...is smoking cannabis a sin in Christianity? Depends on your laws, if it is illegal then it is a sin.

Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
Rom 13:2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
 
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