Is cannabis use a sin?

....."He gave us ALL green herb...as for meet"......

and ...."the earth is mans and the fullness thereof".....

i don't know much but I know one thing....

if you took Christ,Buddha,Muhammad,Gandhi,Shiva,Krishna and any other spiritual 'religious' leader and put them in the same room....

they would embrace ....

.....and the room would be so full of love and a high vibration that it would be almost impossible for a regular person to be able to be in that room with them..

...if you took all these spiritual 'leaders' ..followers and put them in the same room.....
they would try and kill each other-


the God I worship has no religion--

om mani padme aum--

how can it be a sin to use something The Creator gave us? did He say it is a sin?


erb is the most healing plant on the planet--that is why they want to keep us from it....

i say BEWARE of people using 'religion' as their self righteous finger of judgement .....

.....these are the same folks that beat the slaves and burned 'witches' and threw Christians to lion not to mention the Spanish inquisition--

Here we go:

Genesis 1:29 (New King James Version)

And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.

To me, that says the bible condones cooking with mj - my interpretation

Is cannabis an herb? Check... does it yield seed? yes... 'to you it shall be for food' ... I'd say that's pretty straight-forward, with nothing to misinterpret. ('Use' of cannabis in any form qualifies for the 'is it a sin?' question, I would assume.) So my answer would be.. no, if it's spoken from God, he would not condone it if it were a sin - to me, anyway.

NietzscheKeen said:

Oh, here come the theistic jabs. Is it safe to assume that you go that route because you don't know the answer? It wasn't a trick question btw...

Where did this "asymmetry" stuff come from? I don't know what you're talking about. Could you please explain a bit?

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...self-preservation in nature is key. You seem like the type that would know that.

"Somehow asymmetry seems to play a protagonist role in the history of our universe and our life. Current cosmological models speculate that the four fundamental forces of nature (gravitational, electromagnetic, weak and strong) arose when symmetry broke down after the very high temperatures of the early universe began to cool down. Today, we live in a universe that is the child of that momentous split. Without that "broken symmetry" there would be no electrical force and no nuclear force, and our universe would be vastly impoverished in natural phenomena.


Scientists have also speculated at length about the asymmetry between matter and antimatter: if one is the mirror image of the other and no known physical process shows a preference for either, why is it that in our universe protons and electrons (matter) overwhelmingly prevails over positrons and antiprotons (antimatter)?


Most physical laws can be reversed in time, at least on paper. But most will not. Time presents another asymmetry, the "arrow of time" which points always in the same direction, no matter what is allowed by Mathematics. The universe, history and life all proceed forward and never backwards.

Possibly related to it is the other great asymmetry: entropy. One can't unscramble an egg. A lump of sugar which is dissolved in a cup of coffee cannot become a lump of sugar again. Left to themselves, buildings collapse, they do not improve. Most artifacts require periodic maintenance, otherwise they would decay. Disorder is continuously accumulated. Some processes are irreversible.


It turns out that entropy is a key factor in enabling life (and, of course, in ending it). Living organisms maintain themselves far from equilibrium and entropy plays a role in it.


Moreover, in 1848 the French biologist Louis Pasteur discovered that aminoacids (which make up proteins which make up living organisms) exhibit another singular asymmetry: for every aminoacid there exist in nature its mirror image, but life on Earth uses only one form of the aminoacids (left-handed ones). Pasteur’s mystery is still unexplained (Pasteur thought that somehow that "was" the definition of life). Later, biologists would discover that bodies only use right-handed sugars, thereby confirming that homochirality (the property of being single-handed) is an essential property of life.

Finally, an asymmetry presents itself even in the site of thinking itself, in the human brain. The two cerebral hemispheres are rather symmetric in all species except ours. Other mammals do not show preferences for grasping food with one or the other paw. We do. Most of us are right-handed and those who are not are left-handed. Asymmetry seems to be a fundamental feature of our brain. The left hemisphere is primarily used for language and the interplay between the two hemispheres seems to be important for consciousness.


...SleepyKeen?



re: cause and effect.

Causality

NietzscheKeen said:

Calm down GuitarMan...
There was absolutely NOTHING condescending about what Zaehet said.
Do you want to understand evolution or whatever it was that you guys were talking about?
I thought I understood it until I actually understood it.
I highly recommend The God Delusion. Feel free to skip all the stuff about religion and focus only on the stuff about evolution. It answered questions for me that I hadn't even begun to ask.
If you don't feel like reading the book, may I suggest a video series that you can find for free on Youtube? I wish so hard that someone had shown this video series to me when I was a child. It is probably one of the most influential and important videos on Youtube.

I'm linking to the second video in the series of seven because I feel it is a better place to start considering the conversations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ExaBtX7_QU
They aren't that long, I hope you will take the time to watch them. They are dated, but the information is still accurate as best as I can tell.

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Thanks for the links. When I get time, I will look them over.

I would like to pose this question to you and others: Do you believe you evolved from "Something", or do you believe you evolved from "Nothing"?

mindphuk said:

Your acceptance of evolution will not impact me or any other poster here one iota. However, you seem content to remain ignorant and believe incorrect characterizations of the theory and the reality of evolution. I only interceded in order to help clear up some of your confusion, but if you are unwilling to have a dialogue and prefer to spout the ID/creationist party-line drivel, then so be it. I will continue to correct your mischaracterizations and lies and you are free to continue to plug your fingers in your ears and avoid actually learning some science.

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Your acceptance of A CREATOR will not impact me or any other poster here one iota. However, you seem content to remain ignorant and believe incorrect characterizations of the theory and the reality of CREATION. I only interceded in order to help clear up some of your confusion, but if you are unwilling to have a dialogue and prefer to spout the EVOLUTIONARY party-line drivel, then so be it. I will continue to correct your mischaracterizations and lies and you are free to continue to plug your fingers in your ears and avoid actually learning some science.

Guitar Man said:

Thanks for the links. When I get time, I will look them over.

I would like to pose this question to you and others: Do you believe you evolved from "Something", or do you believe you evolved from "Nothing"?

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Individuals don't evolve. Populations do. I didn't evolve from anything, neither did you. Our species evolved.

mindphuk said:

IOW, you don't have any answers as to why you believe bullshit ID and reject evolution except that your religion dictates it.

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mindfuck, I detest Religion, but believe in God.

mindphuk said:

Individuals don't evolve. Populations do. I didn't evolve from anything, neither did you. Our species evolved.

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Did "They" come from Nothing, or did "They" come from "Something"?

Guitar Man said:

Your acceptance of A CREATOR will not impact me or any other poster here one iota. However, you seem content to remain ignorant and believe incorrect characterizations of the theory and the reality of CREATION. I only interceded in order to help clear up some of your confusion, but if you are unwilling to have a dialogue and prefer to spout the EVOLUTIONARY party-line drivel, then so be it. I will continue to correct your mischaracterizations and lies and you are free to continue to plug your fingers in your ears and avoid actually learning some science.

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Cute, but a big FAIL when I'm not the one dismissing scientific truths. As to demonstrating the fact that species have evolved vs. demonstrating the 'fact' that there was an intelligent agent behind all life, I have mountains of empirical data to support a natural history to the diversity of life vs. ZERO evidence to support a designer. You have done absolutely NOTHING to clear up, or support your contention that there is a creator, you have only made fallacious strawman arguments against evolution.

Guitar Man said:

Did "They" come from Nothing, or did "They" come from "Something"?

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Everything came from something.

Guitar Man said:

mindfuck, I detest Religion, but believe in God.

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Fine. Then your intractable theism dictates it. Yet I would bet that you believe in certain qualities about your god that are directly derived from the Judeo-Christian ethos. Most people that aren't religious have absolutely no problem incorporating their belief in a deity with science. What's your excuse?

mindphuk said:

Everything came from something.

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If everything came from something, then where did something come from?

mindphuk said:

Fine. Then your intractable theism dictates it. Yet I would bet that you believe in certain qualities about your god that are directly derived from the Judeo-Christian ethos. Most people that aren't religious have absolutely no problem incorporating their belief in a deity with science. What's your excuse?

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No one is void of being influenced by their Culture, including you. Your idea's about everything are limited by your upbringing, experience, and physical surroundings. There is nothing we can do about that.

I have no problem incorporating a Deity with Science, just like Einstein did.

mindphuk said:

Cute, but a big FAIL when I'm not the one dismissing scientific truths. As to demonstrating the fact that species have evolved vs. demonstrating the 'fact' that there was an intelligent agent behind all life, I have mountains of empirical data to support a natural history to the diversity of life vs. ZERO evidence to support a designer. You have done absolutely NOTHING to clear up, or support your contention that there is a creator, you have only made fallacious strawman arguments against evolution.

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Bullshit!!!!! Stawman arguments??? Fuck, I've listed plenty of examples that no one is responding too! I asked these questions in an earlier post, with no response, so go for it.

How does a bird fly thousands of miles to Alaska, a State almost 3 times the size of Texas, where they locate a pond no bigger than my house in the land of a "Million Lakes", finding a mate to procreate in the same place where they were born? No GPS. No Radar. No Map. No previous knowledge of that pond, accept when they were born. Where the fuck did that "Guidance System" come from? Explain to me how that “Evolved”.

I'm a fairly simple man, and I like to keep it that way. If someone tells me, "Hey, I just found names written on the beach with a sand castle to boot, and guess what??? No one was responsible!" Sorry, no comprenday'''! Evolution wants me to believe, that just happened without a valid explanation that can be proven. I say, SOMEONE was responsible for the sand castle and the written words.

Guitar Man said:

How does a bird fly thousands of miles to Alaska, a State almost 3 times the size of Texas, where they locate a pond no bigger than my house in the land of a "Million Lakes", finding a mate to procreate in the same place where they were born? No GPS. No Radar. No Map. No previous knowledge of that pond, accept when they were born. Where the fuck did that "Guidance System" come from? Explain to me how that “Evolved”.

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It has been imprinted in their genetic code, they call it instinct. Elephants can do the same thing, it is something they inherit from their parents, who inherited it from theirs...for millions of years.

Bro, nothing we can say... no question we answer will help you realize how biological evolution and natural selection work, like i've said before, just because you don't understand something does not automatically make it false.

I'm sorry you haven't taken the time to try to think objectively about this, without letting your emotions get involved... but that is always hard to ask when a concept conflicts with someones belief.

This conversation will inevitablety end up in circles, you keep saying biological evolution and natural selection isn't true... and we'll keep telling you to do more research that you won't do.

It's ok if you want to think evolution never happened, or still doesn't happen... but if you come to a website and give us your opinion about evolution we are going to laugh at your willed ignorance, make fun of you, and tell you to go back to school. You want it simple? Well im sorry, sometimes you have to work hard to understand evolution, natural selection, what stars are, how rainbows are made, how different formations of clouds are made, what neutron stars and pulsars are...

Sometimes learning is hard... and those of us who have put the time into actually figuring out the truth about the way things work in this existence (rather than provide ourselves with made up truths) merely shrug and laugh at your laziness and willed ignorance.

Guitar Man said:

Bullshit!!!!! Stawman arguments??? Fuck, I've listed plenty of examples that no one is responding too! I asked these questions in an earlier post, with no response, so go for it.

How does a bird fly thousands of miles to Alaska, a State almost 3 times the size of Texas, where they locate a pond no bigger than my house in the land of a "Million Lakes", finding a mate to procreate in the same place where they were born? No GPS. No Radar. No Map. No previous knowledge of that pond, accept when they were born. Where the fuck did that "Guidance System" come from? Explain to me how that “Evolved”.

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A lack of understanding of how every single biological process on this planet works, let alone evolved, in no way discredits evolution, and by no means makes supernatural intervention the only other possibility. In fact, if Darwin was completely overturned tomorrow, you still would have to provide evidence that organisms were created. Evolutionary theory is not the same as saying organisms evolved. Even Larmarckism is a form of evolution. The fact of evolution, that species change over time is indisputable Even most hard-core creationists accept the idea of 'microevolution.' But what exactly is macroevolution? Basically it means any level of evolutionary change larger than can be confirmed by direct observation. In other words, creationists claim to win all the battles they don't lose outright.

I'm a fairly simple man, and I like to keep it that way. If someone tells me, "Hey, I just found names written on the beach with a sand castle to boot, and guess what??? No one was responsible!" Sorry, no comprenday'''! Evolution wants me to believe, that just happened without a valid explanation that can be proven. I say, SOMEONE was responsible for the sand castle and the written words.

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That is a strawman. Show me a biological organism that has the signature of a creator. How do you determine design? By contrast to things that come about naturally. If something formed naturally, then it wasn't designed. Living organims have very good natural explanations. We don't see sandcastles forming naturally, sandcastles do not reproduce, therefore design. However, there are many geologic features that can appear designed, except we know they were formed naturally. http://izismile.com/2010/08/02/beautiful_and_strange_naturedesigned_formations_17_pics.html

Guitar Man said:

How does a bird fly thousands of miles to Alaska, a State almost 3 times the size of Texas, where they locate a pond no bigger than my house in the land of a "Million Lakes", finding a mate to procreate in the same place where they were born? No GPS. No Radar. No Map. No previous knowledge of that pond, accept when they were born. Where the fuck did that "Guidance System" come from? Explain to me how that “Evolved”.

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"A God of the gaps argument is one that argues that since some phenomenon is unexplained, it must be due to God. It is also a form of non sequitur, since the hand of God is posited without proof and often with complete disregard to other possible explanations."
​http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=God_of_the_gaps

Guitar Man said:

I have no problem incorporating a Deity with Science, just like Einstein did.

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So you choose to double down on stupidity? Even after being informed of Einstein's religious views, you still think he believed in a deity? Perhaps this is why you don't believe in evolution, because anytime you are presented with knowledge that you do not like, you simply ignore it, which leaves your views steeped in ignorance.

Lets look at a couple of quotes from Einstein:

"It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I feel also not able to imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere. My views are near those of Spinoza: admiration for the beauty of and belief in the logical simplicity of the order which we can grasp humbly and only imperfectly. I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem—the most important of all human problems."

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."

It's silly to lie about something when it can so easily be checked. Lets also point out one more time that even if Einstein believed in Jesus it would not make Christianity any more true or false. Einstein was just a man, despite the fact that you are infatuated and impressed by his name.

There are plenty of preachers and holy men who hold this same duality. They will speak in front of their flock as if God is real while having serious doubts or outright non-belief themselves. But this alone does not make religion any more or less true. We are not speaking of men, we are speaking of a discipline which is very specific about it's rules and controls, the scientific method, and it's those very rules and controls which filter the idea of god out of science.

Guitar Man said:

If everything came from something, then where did something come from?

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If God created everything, who created God?

Heisenberg said:

If God created everything, who created God?

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