If Tax cuts create jobs

olylifter420

olylifter420

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It aint just exxon bud,


walmart, ge, shell, large banks,

They all dont pay taxes, but our gov sends them money for making so much fucking money. Just google it



Grandpapy said:
Tax cuts could work better for the citizens if the Corp's reciving them stopped directing those profits overseas.
How did Exxon's tax cut's help US Citizens? If I remember right last year they paid 51 billion (Cash) for interest in an bauxite mine in Australia. I may have misunderstood the report, but really, where is their payment for the common good? if we stop fixing roads they will lose money here, and just sell to China.
They can't lose. And until Congress grows some balls, all jobs are up for grabs overseas.
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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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cannabineer said:
But the "natural rights" concept is not without its problems. I maintain that there are none such. cn
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Of course. Naturally, I respect your right to believe that, but not your right to impose your will on others that are respecting your rights.
 
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ChesusRice

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Well
This is an interesting thread
Only in the amount of mental gymnastics that those from the right are going thru to avoid the question
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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ChesusRice said:
Well
This is an interesting thread
Only in the amount of mental gymnastics that those from the right are going thru to avoid the question
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It might be easier to answer if you chose to differentate between "real jobs" that produce something or are consensual i ntheir nature and those that are more parisitic and feed off the producers.
 
canndo

canndo

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Rob Roy said:
Of course. Naturally, I respect your right to believe that, but not your right to impose your will on others that are respecting your rights.
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If you refuse to pay your taxes and I have to pick up that slack, you are not actually respecting my rights.
 
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ChesusRice

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Rob Roy said:
It might be easier to answer if you chose to differentate between "real jobs" that produce something or are consensual i ntheir nature and those that are more parisitic and feed off the producers.
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Define parasitic
If you are talking about Goverment jobs

The goverment under Obama has shed 600000 jobs since he came into office
 
chrishydro

chrishydro

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ChesusRice said:
Where are the fucking jobs?
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Tax cuts to business owners and the wealthy do in fact create jobs. Example, there used to be a break under Bush admin that if you hired new people, the money they are paid during their training period was tax deductable. Also the federal tax that employers match each pay period was also waived. This prompted business owners to hire and expand. The argument from the dems is dont let them get bigger and make more money. Instead give it to us so we can come up with a new program to enhance the poor and unemployed to vote for us next time or lose their welfare.

Gov has to allow breaks like these or someone tell me why and how we are ever going to recover. This is only one example, another, and there are hundreds, instead of giving the money to welfare recips give it to small business to develop training programs and pay the people with the money instead of giving to them for doing nothing. We, years ago, hired 50 people that have never collected before. Each month we submitted the payroll report to the Fed and got back 50 percent of what we had paid them. It helped people find a new thing to do in life and it worked. Now they cut out business, send the money right to them and no one benifits except the person cashing the check.
 
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ChesusRice

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chrishydro said:
Tax cuts to business owners and the wealthy do in fact create jobs. Example, there used to be a break under Bush admin that if you hired new people, the money they are paid during their training period was tax deductable. Also the federal tax that employers match each pay period was also waived. This prompted business owners to hire and expand. The argument from the dems is dont let them get bigger and make more money. Instead give it to us so we can come up with a new program to enhance the poor and unemployed to vote for us next time or lose their welfare.

Gov has to allow breaks like these or someone tell me why and how we are ever going to recover. This is only one example, another, and there are hundreds, instead of giving the money to welfare recips give it to small business to develop training programs and pay the people with the money instead of giving to them for doing nothing. We, years ago, hired 50 people that have never collected before. Each month we submitted the payroll report to the Fed and got back 50 percent of what we had paid them. It helped people find a new thing to do in life and it worked. Now they cut out business, send the money right to them and no one benifits except the person cashing the check.
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I. President Obama Has Already Signed Into Law Eight Separate Small
Business Tax Cuts: In the Recovery Act and subsequent legislation in
2009 and 2010, the President signed the following eight small business tax cuts
into law:


  1. A New Small Business Health Care Tax Credit
  2. A New Tax Credit for Hiring Unemployed Workers
  3. Bonus Depreciation Tax Incentives to Support New Investment
  4. 75% Exclusion of Small Business Capital Gains
  5. Expansion of Limits on Small Business Expensing
  6. Five-Year Carryback of Net Operating Losses
  7. Reduction of the Built-In Gains Holding Period for Small Businesses from
    10 to 7 Years to Allow Small Business Greater Flexibility in Their
    Investments
  8. Temporary Small Business Estimated Tax Payment Relief to Allow Small
    Businesses to Keep Needed Cash on Hand

II. The President Intends to Sign a Small Business Jobs Bill With
Another Eight Tax Cuts Benefitting Millions of Small Businesses: For
weeks, Republicans have been stalling progress of a Small Business Jobs Bill
that would provide additional tax relief for millions of small businesses,
including the following eight tax cuts:


  1. Zero Capital Gains Taxes on Key Investments in Small Businesses:
  2. The Highest Small Business Expensing Limit Ever– Up to $500,000
  3. An Extension of 50% Bonus Depreciation
  4. A New Deduction for Health Care Expenses for the Self-Employed
  5. ax Relief and Simplification for Cell Phone Deductions
  6. An Increase in The Deduction for Entrepreneurs’ Start-Up
    Expenses
  7. A Five-Year Carryback Of General Business Credits
  8. Limitations on Penalties for Errors in Tax Reporting That
    Disproportionately Affect Small Business
 
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ChesusRice

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chrishydro said:
Tax cuts to business owners and the wealthy do in fact create jobs. Example, there used to be a break under Bush admin that if you hired new people, the money they are paid during their training period was tax deductable. Also the federal tax that employers match each pay period was also waived. This prompted business owners to hire and expand. The argument from the dems is dont let them get bigger and make more money. Instead give it to us so we can come up with a new program to enhance the poor and unemployed to vote for us next time or lose their welfare.

Gov has to allow breaks like these or someone tell me why and how we are ever going to recover. This is only one example, another, and there are hundreds, instead of giving the money to welfare recips give it to small business to develop training programs and pay the people with the money instead of giving to them for doing nothing. We, years ago, hired 50 people that have never collected before. Each month we submitted the payroll report to the Fed and got back 50 percent of what we had paid them. It helped people find a new thing to do in life and it worked. Now they cut out business, send the money right to them and no one benifits except the person cashing the check.
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The jockeying on the president's tax plan came as the Senate was trying to move onto a small business tax cut bill that would give a 10 percent break to business for all new payroll costs, up to $5 million. It would also extend 100 percent bonus depreciation on investments that companies make on new machinery and expansion.
Reid argued that what McConnell and the Republicans really are trying to do is kill anything that might help the economy, and therefore Obama.
"Republicans are looking for any excuse to vote down the proposal for two reasons," Reid said. "It has the support of President Obama and Democrats in Congress. And it would strengthen the economy, which would help the president.

"We know Republicans won’t do anything that helps President Obama -– even if it’s good for the economy –- because their number one goal is to defeat the president. Mitch McConnell has said so," Reid said, referring to comments McConnell made not long after Obama took office.
 
canndo

canndo

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chrishydro said:
Tax cuts to business owners and the wealthy do in fact create jobs. Example, there used to be a break under Bush admin that if you hired new people, the money they are paid during their training period was tax deductable. Also the federal tax that employers match each pay period was also waived. This prompted business owners to hire and expand. The argument from the dems is dont let them get bigger and make more money. Instead give it to us so we can come up with a new program to enhance the poor and unemployed to vote for us next time or lose their welfare.

Gov has to allow breaks like these or someone tell me why and how we are ever going to recover. This is only one example, another, and there are hundreds, instead of giving the money to welfare recips give it to small business to develop training programs and pay the people with the money instead of giving to them for doing nothing. We, years ago, hired 50 people that have never collected before. Each month we submitted the payroll report to the Fed and got back 50 percent of what we had paid them. It helped people find a new thing to do in life and it worked. Now they cut out business, send the money right to them and no one benifits except the person cashing the check.
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Only one thing creates jobs in the private sector - demand. Not tax breaks. If I make nationaly consumed widgets and the demand for widgets remains flat, I will not hire. Any tax breaks I garner will simply put more money toward my bottom line, or I will forgo them all together.

The rest is rightist myth. On the other hand, if I can no longer make do with the employees I have, if demand for my products exceeds my capacity to make them I will hire more people regardless of your tax breaks - they may sweeten the deal but they will not prompt me to do other than what my business demands.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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canndo said:
If you refuse to pay your taxes and I have to pick up that slack, you are not actually respecting my rights.
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This is flawed. First of all they aren't "my" taxes. Taxes are imposed, not consensual. That would make them "their taxes" or "your taxes" if you agreed and there was no coercion or duress involved...but of course we know that duress IS involved don't we?

You don't have to pick up the slack and I'd ask you please don't do it on my behalf, I don't consent. I'm sure they can steal enough money from other people to buy enough bomb and bullets to kill people and continue to jail them in record numbers for a plant.

I don't want the blood of people that have never harmed me on my hands, do you? What about respecting the innocents right to be left alone ?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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canndo said:
Only one thing creates jobs in the private sector - demand. Not tax breaks. If I make nationaly consumed widgets and the demand for widgets remains flat, I will not hire. Any tax breaks I garner will simply put more money toward my bottom line, or I will forgo them all together.

The rest is rightist myth. On the other hand, if I can no longer make do with the employees I have, if demand for my products exceeds my capacity to make them I will hire more people regardless of your tax breaks - they may sweeten the deal but they will not prompt me to do other than what my business demands.
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WOW....How different yet similar the "public sector" jobs are...Only one thing creates jobs there too...."demand" . We demand you give us your money or we will hurt you.
 
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ChesusRice

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Rob Roy said:
WOW....How different yet similar the "public sector" jobs are...Only one thing creates jobs there too...."demand" . We demand you give us your money or we will hurt you.
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The goverment is 600000 jobs smaller since Obama got into office
 
canndo

canndo

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Rob Roy said:
This is flawed. First of all they aren't "my" taxes. Taxes are imposed, not consensual. That would make them "their taxes" or "your taxes" if you agreed and there was no coercion or duress involved...but of course we know that duress IS involved don't we?

You don't have to pick up the slack and I'd ask you please don't do it on my behalf, I don't consent. I'm sure they can steal enough money from other people to buy enough bomb and bullets to kill people and continue to jail them in record numbers for a plant.

I don't want the blood of people that have never harmed me on my hands, do you? What about respecting the innocents right to be left alone ?
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No, in effect they are not consentual. As far as duress is involved, I suppose under your concept of duress it is so, but in mine it is a business transaction the same as any other. A fixed amount given for a service. I do indeed have to pick up the slack much as I would if you suddenly refused to pay the local taxes involved in fire fighting. I still want my home protected against the fire that might rage in your home next door.

I see that you are bitter that this country doesn't adhere to your rightful view that people shouldn't be put in jail over their use of a plant and more particularly an arbitrary number of such plants. I am sorry about that, but it seems to color your entire view of the nature and necessity of government.

Rob, you can no longer live in a country were you are simply "left alone", you are expected if you reap the rewards of the order established in this country to either adhere to certain standards or conciously opt not to, and accept the consequences of your actions in so doing.

You and I may not agree with our government's actions and it's use of our money but on the whole we get great worth for the money we contribute.
 
canndo

canndo

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beardo said:
Can't afford a tax guy, not everyones rich, and if your poor and pay %50 of your income as taxes you can't afford a tax guy.
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