I Don't Give A **** About You Sellers...
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MrStickyScissors
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if prop 19 passes why wouldnt it be taxed? sure you will be able to grow your own cannabis just like if you really wanted to you could grow your own corn tomatoes or tabaco. but alot of people would rather just get it from the store. and if your selling sumthing in the store there is state tax on it so im pretty sure they will tax the shit out of it. its going to be hard to regulate thats why in my opinion it wont pass
MrStickyScissors
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just like if they tighten up the boarders wich in my opinion i wish they would. it would cut out drug smuggling and there are alot of people that dont want that to happen moslty cartels in mexico. not to mention labor will go up so there are alot of people here in the USA that wouldnt have there cheap laborers anymore
MrStickyScissors
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my bad that was way off topic but thats how i feel about it
dieselboy
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i have a real job and i sell weed. but i don't live in cali. so fuck you.
tc1
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Cities decide if they want to sell marijuana commercially and tax it ... not Prop 19.
Thus, Saying No to Prop 19 "because of taxes" is a silly argument.
Taxes and regulation of commercial sales are up to cities and the people who live in those cities to decide.
That was my point.
MrStickyScissors
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well yeah I dont know how you can even argue that. of coarse if you grow your own kill your not going to have to pay taxes on it. and your right just because it will be taxed wouldnt be a legit reason to vote against prop 19. what it comes down to it will be taxed if it is sold. if your growing it out of your home and within the legal limit your not going to get taxed for your own shit but most people that dont know how to grow worth a damn or that are to lazy to do it will just go buy a pack of weed. like i said I make a grip off selling purp here in northern cali and I slang it to the clubs and still get top dollar but it will be hard to compete when the government steps in and starts a farm
MrStickyScissors
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for pot heads and people who enjoy smoking weed or need to smoke weed prop 19 is a life saver cause not everyone has 250 to buy a ounce of weed. now it will give people the option of growing enough to never have to buy it. for people like me it just means pretty much i need to find another occupation.
TokinPodPilot
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People have the right to grow for personal consumption now. But it does require you to stand up for your rights when challenged. The only thing that is truly, expressly illegal is commercial sales.
tc1
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If someone does not have an ailment which medical marijuana can be prescribed, they do not have a right to grow marijuana.
You are asking people to ABUSE medical marijuana programs in order to be "safe" from the law. This does not help either side with the progression of both medical and recreational use. It is getting harder and harder to pass medical marijuana initiatives in other states because they see the abuses going on in systems like California. It's also creating tougher restrictions in current medical marijuana states.
People need to stand up for their right to use marijuana for ANY reason they see fit. period.
Asking people to abuse the medical system is not the answer. I can't name a single good reason why responsible adults should go to jail for using marijuana ... regardless if they have a health condition or not.
TokinPodPilot
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Once again... your ignorance is not my issue and your continued dissemination of misinformation is a disservice to people at large at best, and pretty damn douchey at worst. As someone who has stood as defendant in court over this very distinction in state law, I know for a fact that recreational use and cultivation for personal consumption face at worse a fine of $100 and the cannabis-equivalent of traffic school. In fact, it has been argued and won in court that limits on grows for personal consumption are also bunk.
And AGAIN, no one is abusing the medical system by being a part of it. Despite what your personal reservations regarding who should or should not qualify for a recommendation, it's been proven in court that it's for anyone. People do need to stand up for their rights to use cannabis. Which is why they need to be aware of their existing rights under current legislation and stand up for them.
I'm not advocating anyone break or abuse any law, despite your opinion. In fact, I'm advocating that residents of California stand up for their current rights to grow and consume cannabis under existing legislation. I'm advocating that residents of California contact Governor Schwarzenegger to sign into law SB 1449 which drops existing possession charges to an infraction and no longer needs diversion to expunge misdemeanor charges. I'm advocating against the wrongful perception that one must have a life-threatening or severely debilitating condition to warrant a medical recommendation.
Your either ignorant of everyone's rights under law or you're just spewing talking points.
tc1
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You're accusing me of being "douchey" and in the same breathe say "I know for a fact that recreational use and cultivation for personal consumption face at worse a fine of $100 and the cannabis-equivalent of traffic school."
Wow ... just wow
In California ... ANY cultivation of marijuana for recreational use is a felony. No $100 fine ... no get out of jail free card. We're talking state prison for up to 3 years.
Talk about misinformation .....
And yes, you are telling people to hide behind Prop 215 regardless of any medical condition. You know, I know, and EVERYONE else with half a brain knows 215 would have never passed in 1996 if the idea was to allow EVERYONE to use medical marijuana.
You are telling people to use Prop 215 for something it was never designed for. That is the very definition of abuse.
TokinPodPilot
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If disinformation bothers you so much, then stop spreading it. As one who has stood his day in court and defended his right to cultivate and consume cannabis for the purpose of personal consumption, I know what I say is true.
http://www.canorml.org/laws/calmjlaws.html
If that's not straight-forward enough for you, then I'm sorry for you. But, I still cannot and will not advocate bad statewide legislation because some people don't have the backbone to stand up for their rights.
This again. No matter how many times you repeat your opinion about the medical system, that doesn't make it fact. But, please rave on...
TokinPodPilot
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Even more disinformation and lies... excellent. Diversion is pretty straight-forward on who it covers, and if one uses both sides of one's brain as opposed to just the half you previously mentioned, then you'd be able to see that those covered under diversion are the same people who would be "protected" by Prop. 19. Also, simple possession is not a felony crime under California law. Simple possession of an ounce or less of cannabis is a misdemeanor offense with no jail time, no arrest/detainment required and a fine of $100. Your desperation is showing through your lies.
Right... we get it. Prop. 215 confuses and infuriates you for whatever reason... I could care less. Just because you don't get it, doesn't make it wrong. Plus the fact that Prop. 215 is so easy for the average person to acquire shows me that my fights for not only my personal rights and freedoms, but those of others has worked. Again, I've been in the fight, in and out of court. And I didn't need Prop. 19 to do it.
some people have NO clue. 
The text of the Prop 215 initiative follows:
Section 1. Section 11362.5 is added to the California Health and Safety Code, to read:
The text of the Prop 215 initiative follows:
Section 1. Section 11362.5 is added to the California Health and Safety Code, to read:
11362.5. (a) This section shall be known and may be cited as the Compassionate Use Act of 1996. (b) (1) The people of the State of California hereby find and declare that the purposes of the Compassionate Use Act of 1996 are as follows:
(A) To ensure that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes where that medical use is deemed appropriate and has been recommended by a physician who has determined that the persons health would benefit from the use of marijuana in the treatment of cancer, anorexia, AIDS, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, arthritis, migraine or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief.
tc1
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Who's the one diverting now? We were talking about personal cultivation ... not personal possession.
Cultivation is a felony .. period.
The same people covered under the Diversion Plea are the same people covered under Prop 19? That's interesting .. because I'm pretty sure Prop 19 covers EVERYONE.
If you have had a felony within the past 5 years ... you CAN NOT get a Diversion Plea
If you have a conviction involving a controlled substance (alcohol is a controlled substance) ... you CAN NOT get a Diversion Plea
If law enforcement was called to your house because of a fight, domestic violence, or you making a threat to someone else ... and they find a marijuana garden ... you CAN NOT get a Diversion Plea.
If you have already completed a Diversion Program ... you CAN NOT get a Diversion Plea
Did I mention the prosecuting attorney must sign off on the Diversion Plea?
How oh how is that the same as Prop 19? Just when you think you've heard it all .... lol
TokinPodPilot
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@FDD:Wait... which part was the important bit?
j/k Please don't ban me.
j/k Please don't ban me.
tc1
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So if I'm perfectly healthy ... what's my illness?some people have NO clue.
The text of the Prop 215 initiative follows:
Section 1. Section 11362.5 is added to the California Health and Safety Code, to read:11362.5. (a) This section shall be known and may be cited as the Compassionate Use Act of 1996. (b) (1) The people of the State of California hereby find and declare that the purposes of the Compassionate Use Act of 1996 are as follows:(A) To ensure that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes where that medical use is deemed appropriate and has been recommended by a physician who has determined that the persons health would benefit from the use of marijuana in the treatment of cancer, anorexia, AIDS, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, arthritis, migraine or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief.
