Hydroponics VS Soil (plz read)

Holy cow!!!... I missed this while I was out of town! I'm glad you guys were there to have my back Thank you for saying what needed to be said...dam I'm still reeling about it.

bonghits4all said:

wrong dude dead uneven with soil.I allready told you my friend grows hydro (all organic) I grow soil. we grow the same strain at the same time and every yeild we test the results with friends.He allways wins the yeild.But the smoke is like night and day.So wake up get over yourself.It is impossible to have the same quality of taste and smoke from hydro.Its 2nd rate period.So if your growing in hydro then your growing for yeild.Nothing wrong with that but stop insulting everyones intelligence by saying you get the same taste and quality.with hydro cause it just makes you a liar.

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Dude....I didn't even come at you and you came back with this. You're friend isn't growing to his full potential...sounds like neither are you. I'm sorry if you felt insulted(must have been an inner issue or something) but I know that I wasn't insulting everyone else's intelligence.....And basically calling me a liar???wtf not cool. Anyway...I'm done now

how funny im no wanna be anything.I am.I ve grown hydro chem ive grow hydro organic ive grow chem soil organic soil and now mix my own soil.I ve not tried areo but im sure i will.Ive grow comerical strains and elite strains.And one thing I will say is of course i dont grow to my potential i learn something new everyday but i grow World Class pot.And i will put my dank up against anyone of you hydro lovers best weed with a panel of judges and ill mop the floor with you.Dont ever try to belittle my skill or knowledge with your petty namecalling.The point of this thread was to offer your individual opnion hydro vs soil.I did that

Most people who have an inflatted opinion of themselves in fact have low self asteem and think low of themselves and their skills, and are just trying to talk people into believeing they are the best at something.

So I call BULL SHIT....

No esteem problem here but i respect your opnion and agree but im no phd.My guess is your not either so ill leave the psycology to the doctors.My opnion of myself is also not inflated.Im confident and cocky, controversial and provocative.Im smart, talented,fair and not afraid to tell you about it.I realize not everyone is going to like me because of it and i truely dont care.I believe in myself and know who i am.I dont need disclaimers on the bottom of my threads telling the world im a liar.And have trouble being judged by people who aspire to be one.I believe that hydro is 2nd rate vs soil.And 90% of the most renowned breeders and growers in the world agree with me.

Where do i get tickets to the main event?....LMAO

BUT....i'm going with soil cause it's just...better!!!!!

Has anyone ever tried vegetables ,Tomatoes, Lettuce, strawberries, etc. grown hydro? Now compare those same vegies grown in good organic loamy soil. No comparison. Hands down soil takes the taste cake.

piatch said:

Has anyone ever tried vegetables ,Tomatoes, Lettuce, strawberries, etc. grown hydro? Now compare those same vegies grown in good organic loamy soil. No comparison. Hands down soil takes the taste cake.

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Efuckingsactly!!!!!!!!!!!

It's all about QUALITY...not quantity!!! Everyones too worried about how much they'll get rather then worrying about what it will be.

organic beats the living shit out of hydro and then wipes its ass with it. why is this even being debated? if you want to go through an incredibly exacting and annoying process to end up with a couple more ounces of inferior smoke, by all means do so. trichoderma bacteria and mycorrhizae fungus won't grow in an acidic environment like hydro. these microscopic organisms can survive at most a few pH decimal points from 7. organics requires a higher pH than hydro (5.5-6 compared to 6.5-6.9), and therefore is a more suitable environment for these organisms. that post about hydro organics from earlier means nothing other than that the chemicals came from a natural source. true organics puts the little guys to work pooping out your nutes for you to produce the symbiotic bud you would come across in nature. i mean the shit doesnt just grow in the middle of a river or swimming pool it's evolved in soil so i say let mother nature do her work. getting down and dirty with earthworm casting and bat guano beats the hell out of a sterile scientific concoction anyday. ive smoked the results of all of advanced nutrient's hydro and botanicare's hydro with their "amazing" isotonic cleansers like clearex but anyone on here who has smoked truly organic bud knows exactly what im talking about. if you want to have a little more bud- but it tastes like nutes and bites your throat- go with hydro. want a slightly smaller amount of primo, clean ganj go organic. besides, it's better for the environment. i can't believe people are so hardcore on hydro. find out what POT actually tastes like and grow in soil!!!!

Well put doobiedoo420.

soils all natural

Most prefer the taste of bud grown in soil when they've really compared but not everyone cares about taste at all.

Most if not nearly all cannabis club winners are soil grown.

Lets face it 99.99% smoke for effect, not tase, therefore taste is already secondary. The main deciding factor most people when deciding which strain they want to grow is the type and strength of effect, then yield, smell, and taste which are certainly important factors, just not #1.

I know people who would choose McDonalds any day over a nice steak... You get my meaning...

I have always grown in soil in the past but now am trying hydro because I have no smoke until I crop out and I want hydro to speed that time up. Might go back to soil later, who knows, we'll see.

I would take the steak unless I was really really hungry and didn't want to wait for a table for an hour.

nice metaphore well put

If it don't taste good i dont smoke it. Smoking weed should be an enjoyable experience...not a disgusting one.

^^^amen homegrown

i agree no one ranks taste over potency, and not so much taste but harshness of the smoke. unless for some reason you can only use bag seed, any pack of 10 dollar skunk seeds is going to have potentcy plenty covered (KC Brains, Duth Passion, and Nirvana all have very affordable and very potent strains). yes, some strains just are naturally harsh no matter how they were grown, but for the great majority proper organic methods produce ridankulous results.

and it is like mcdonalds. you can go there and eat transfatty chemically engineered "beef" and fries that are more reminiscient of fried batter than potatoes or you can go down to the farmer's market, get a T-bone and a couple of ears of corn and cook up a nice dinner. one also happens to be much healthier and supports the local economy, as is the case with organics where tons of local sources have excellent earthworm castings and most local nurseries have bat guano, etc.

my point is yea some people like mcDonalds over real food but which would chefs prefer? (personal growers being chefs) if you want more yield try FIM technique or a sog perpetual harvest with clones. don't cheat your plants and lungs with chelated ammonia, i assure you yield is not all that much better, it just depends on the conditions the grower provides, after all, the man who won the world record for the biggest pumpkin ever grown used nothing but organic tea. it's like a digital photo, hydro just has a limited number of megapixels, you can't get the resolution of organics. most exotic smell, color, taste, high all around no doubt. the molecules of organics are just so much more complex than hydro, man will never formulate nature, it is obviously superior so why manipulate it?

So I'll be 100% honest with all of you. I know nothing about soil. Not that there is much to learn about it, I know it's just dirt, but I wouldn't be able to tell you guys how to care for it properly. The only soil grows I have ever done have been with habaneros, where I put seeds in the front lawn, and come back in 4 months to get some sweet hot ass peppers. Well, that and my first few mj grows, where it was fairly similar, only in a pot. As far as I'm concerned, I don't know how to make soil grow into a fine art. For all I know, you plant in a pot and wait for deficiencies. Give it water and let it go. Which I understand is the jist of it anyway.

On top of that, of the little that I know about soil, I know even less about growing organically. That being said, I would like to learn more about the both. Mainly combining the two, because from what I have heard this is what maximizes the potential of the plant, other than yeild. I don't smoke much so this isn't really my main concern.

Anyway, for one would any of you be able to point me in the right direction to read up on some good threads, or books, about how to grow organic soil properly?

Lastly, I know that some of you have touched up on this, but it isn't too clear to me. If you were to do a completly organic hydro grow, if done properly, why would this never taste as good as soil? If it's all organic compounds, and you can introduce the microbes and give everything that a plant needs, to me it would seem that this process wouldn't be all to different from a soil grow, only with accelerated growth. You would be introducing the same things that a soil grow is, only at the exact times that would enhance growth. Isn't that the goal? Perhaps this isn't the case, but if someone could please explain it to me.

To use your analogy, why would you go to mcdonalds and get a synthetic hamburger if you could go to the local butcher and get a 100% natural steak that supports the local economy. But what if there was a local fast food company that made all of their products using 100% natural products with a fast service, that still suported the local economy (local hydro stores still suport the local economy, to some degree) and was still good for you. they have Greek Fiesta around here, I think they arn't that bad, and it's a similar concept, good for you and fast as a mickyd's.

IMO hydro grows the plants faster. So instead of waiting 12 weeks for bud, i only have to wait 8 or 9. That is the only reason I use hydro, otherwise I would go completely outdoors all organic.

I think there are alot of us so called "Pot Snobs" who have smoked some of the best tasting herb grown and can't bring ourselves to smoke craptastic tasting bud.

homegrownboy said:

If it don't taste good i dont smoke it. Smoking weed should be an enjoyable experience...not a disgusting one.

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Most of the time I feel that way too, but if smoking some stinking pile of dog shit had a craptastic effect and there was no other choice I'd puff on that poo too, then brush my teeth and flush with mouthwash and or eat something that tastes good.

What I really hate is smoke that ***burns your throat and makes you cough up a lung***, but I have hit those over and over too if that's all there is.

Sometimes in some areas you take what you can get when you're out, and everyone you know is out. The longer the dry spell the more shitty shit I'll smoke if it will get me high.

hey i know some pot snobs. they seriously only grow DNA's or Chimera'a stock because they think it's the best. it's always unique and phenomenal smoke, but there just is no holy grail of weed as far as potency is concerned, it's already out there everywhere. i think beasters or 10 dollar seed packs could produce great tasting dank no problem. im just voicing my opinion of why soil (organics soil anyway) beats hydro on the hydro vs soil forum. as shantibaba said- the last fronteirs of cannabis cultivation are in unique scents and tastes because everything (from seed banks) already knocks you on your ass beyond comarison.

that sucks oregon, but dude YOU're in OREGON shouldnt there be heads and beautiful glass everywhere? bc that's the prevailing stereotype on the east coast. Banjo anyone?

Quote: "that sucks oregon, but dude YOU're in OREGON shouldnt there be heads and beautiful glass everywhere? bc that's the prevailing stereotype on the east coast. Banjo anyone?"



Yes in Oregon you'll find someone who has smoke on just about every block. Even in the suburbs and small towns there are a lot of smokers and a head shop within a few miles. But unfortunately I just don't know the right people any more, I took a break for years and things have changed with the people I know. I am going to be 40 in a few months, so I'm out of the
loop.


Lots of folks I know have moved, gotten married, no longer smoke, gone to hard drugs you don't want to be around or etc.

I don't want to go around asking aquantances or strangers and I don't have my medical card just yet, there's that good old paperwork delay...

I'm covered legally with my copies of the paperwork but that's not enough to get into the medical marijuana groups.

We don't have coffee shops or storefront places like california though either.

So I am sort of stuck... I'm growing an old bagseed. I wish I could go get all the good clones from the med places but have to wait for the actual card. It sucks having to grow bagseed, who know's what I'll get.

I didn't know you thought we all had banjo's. I thought the sterotype was that we still ride covered wagons and pack six shooters. No, actually it's sort of getting more and more like california because so many have moved here due to the better cost of housing and living. I've been all over the US and actually it's hard to tell where you are any more. It's like everything has gone generic and a town here looks just like a town anywhere else with starbucks and mini malls and megastores and office buildings that all look alike everywhere.

haha you all play the banjo out in Oregon, it's definately the stereotype. nah dude i'm talkin about Banjo, the glass blower. he's ridiculously famous on the east coast. the people who teach apprenticeships in glass out here go to Oregon to learn the headiest techniques from him.

that sucks about no heads and the med card, try drchronic.com it's very discreet and one of the only seed banks that take US money orders. (not that good results couldnt come from bad seed, mids started out good and got mishandled you know?). i've used em tons just make sure to mail them somewhere other than the grow op, and good luck/godspeed on getting that med card holyshit when you do, you should post all about the purple kush or OG. make everyone jealous. good lord those dispensaries are like candy shops for marijuana........drooling......