How long before a strain acclimatizes to a certain climate?

Seems two different things are mixed up in this thread. Acclimatization of a particular plant and of a strain (the population).

Acclimatization of an individual plant typically happens in days/weeks. Won't change the genetics as someone claimed above though (nurture vs nature...). Acclimatization is about for example being able to endure low/high temps if the temp is changed gradually over time instead of a sudden large change.

And there's acclimatizing of a population through selective breeding. This requires a large amount of plants from which you select the ones that best adapted to the environment to make offspring (major part of the work the classic IBL breeders did). How long that takes depends on the strain and the environment it needs to be grown in and can take many years.

In case of the terroir effect you change the environment to the plant, in the second case you change the plant population to the environment.


"Acclimatization does not leave a lasting impression upon the genetic mechanisms of the acclimatized organism. The adaptation of populations to change that effects evolution by the selection of genetic capability is a different process from the acclimatization of an individual." http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/2983/acclimatization

Sativied said:

And there's acclimatizing of a population through selective breeding. This requires a large amount of plants from which you select the ones that best adapted to the environment to make offspring (major part of the work the classic IBL breeders did). How long that takes depends on the strain and the environment it needs to be grown in and can take many years.

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Yes, this is what I plan on doing. I plan on crossing a couple pure indices with each other and a couple pure sativas together. From the offspring of each cross I will select plants that grow the best in this region, while looking for other desirable characteristics as well. I'm just experimenting, just trying to learn more.

qwizoking said:

It does affect the genetics,
Actually even your own genetics are constantly being altered by the environment etc.

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Yes. Epigenome. Look it up folks. Its a beautiful thing.

Just a side note: on arrival in Beverly Hills in one week, (late 1990's)
Eyes: Lasik
Teeth: Capped
Skin: Spray Tan
Diet: Orange Juice and Vit. B tablets x 1 burger a day!
Hair: Trimmed and colored
Nail feet and hands: Trimmed and manicured
Exercise coach: 3 hours per day(pool)

thats not including the acting lessons or clothing costs, but yeah!!! I eventually adapted to my envioroment as per Sativied, and occasionally resort to my primeval days, like some fucked up mainliner ....lol, nice link Sat http://www.tankonyvtar.hu/hu/tartalom/tamop425/0010_1A_Book_angol_01_novenyelettan/ch04s05.html

reasonevangelist said:

and on that note...

if we constantly "baby" the plants (e.g. ideal conditions minus adversity), through multiple generations, will that reduce their resilience and robustness over time? That's what seems to happen with humans. If you provide humans with ideal "growth" conditions, but remove all resistance from their environment, they "acclimate" to the lack of adversity and become weaker.

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source?

any evidence or testing of this at all, or is just a good way for you american types to justify how shit you are? 'no it supposed to be that shitty on purpose, it's works better that way'. The worse something it is, the better it is? Do you know where that philosophy is borrowed from? It's interesting how many fascist principles are adopted wholeheartedly by westerners, except the one, you know, the taboo one that signifies the person who expresses it as a flagrantly ignorant moron. Other than that one, the rest are pretty popular. That's strange, isn't it?

I'd really like to hear an explanation on what you think the ideal human growth conditions would be, and how they would go about being achieved, and then where on this planet that kind of testing has taken place. And what was the result, savants who could speak any language and solve any math problem by the time they were 6 but didn't have the musculature necessary to feed themselves of their own accord? Please doctor, enlighten us as to this fantastic study that I am up to this point totally unaware of.

AirAnt said:

source?

any evidence or testing of this at all, or is just a good way for you american types to justify how shit you are? 'no it supposed to be that shitty on purpose, it's works better that way'. The worse something it is, the better it is? Do you know where that philosophy is borrowed from? It's interesting how many fascist principles are adopted wholeheartedly by westerners, except the one, you know, the taboo one that signifies the person who expresses it as a flagrantly ignorant moron. Other than that one, the rest are pretty popular. That's strange, isn't it?

I'd really like to hear an explanation on what you think the ideal human growth conditions would be, and how they would go about being achieved, and then where on this planet that kind of testing has taken place. And what was the result, savants who could speak any language and solve any math problem by the time they were 6 but didn't have the musculature necessary to feed themselves of their own accord? Please doctor, enlighten us as to this fantastic study that I am up to this point totally unaware of.

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You seem upset.

umadbro?

You can't 'cause you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You pulled that shit out of your ass.

You can get in your fucking car and go see the people around town with their kids and you can see from quarter a mile away they aren't taking home any Mensa awards soon.

You have an entire population dropping in intelligence faster than free fall to where a good portion of the population won't even be literate in a few more years.

Yet you have the audacity to speak as if you're part of some fantastic, super controlled, and highly refined human breeding program that has produced us, the perfect paragon specimens of human performance.

Is that what you think? Man, fuck you.

AirAnt said:

source?

any evidence or testing of this at all, or is just a good way for you american types to justify how shit you are? 'no it supposed to be that shitty on purpose, it's works better that way'. The worse something it is, the better it is? Do you know where that philosophy is borrowed from? It's interesting how many fascist principles are adopted wholeheartedly by westerners, except the one, you know, the taboo one that signifies the person who expresses it as a flagrantly ignorant moron. Other than that one, the rest are pretty popular. That's strange, isn't it?

I'd really like to hear an explanation on what you think the ideal human growth conditions would be, and how they would go about being achieved, and then where on this planet that kind of testing has taken place. And what was the result, savants who could speak any language and solve any math problem by the time they were 6 but didn't have the musculature necessary to feed themselves of their own accord? Please doctor, enlighten us as to this fantastic study that I am up to this point totally unaware of.

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hmm...

AirAnt said:

You can't 'cause you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You pulled that shit out of your ass.

You can get in your fucking car and go see the people around town with their kids and you can see from quarter a mile away they aren't taking home any Mensa awards soon.

You have an entire population dropping in intelligence faster than free fall to where a good portion of the population won't even be literate in a few more years.

Yet you have the audacity to speak as if you're part of some fantastic, super controlled, and highly refined human breeding program that has produced us, the perfect paragon specimens of human performance.

Is that what you think? Man, fuck you.

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Do you have some kind of problem?

First generation from seed will produce offspring that are MUCH better suited than the parent to that region. That being said, it takes many generations to become well acclimatized. With every seed comes different traits; for better or for worse.

AirAnt said:

source?

any evidence or testing of this at all, or is just a good way for you american types to justify how shit you are? 'no it supposed to be that shitty on purpose, it's works better that way'. The worse something it is, the better it is? Do you know where that philosophy is borrowed from? It's interesting how many fascist principles are adopted wholeheartedly by westerners, except the one, you know, the taboo one that signifies the person who expresses it as a flagrantly ignorant moron. Other than that one, the rest are pretty popular. That's strange, isn't it?

I'd really like to hear an explanation on what you think the ideal human growth conditions would be, and how they would go about being achieved, and then where on this planet that kind of testing has taken place. And what was the result, savants who could speak any language and solve any math problem by the time they were 6 but didn't have the musculature necessary to feed themselves of their own accord? Please doctor, enlighten us as to this fantastic study that I am up to this point totally unaware of.

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Someone feeling a little insecure today?

qwizoking said:

Its affected in the first generation, it happens very quickly. Within weeks the plant will adapt. The environment will change nearly everything about the plant, within a few generations it will be almost unrecognizable without very careful selection. And it won't be the same. the plant adapted terpenes etc to help it survive in that environment. Even moving a clone to a different environment will affect it
(I mainly grow s.a. landraces)

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will affect it.. yes.. but that doesn't answer his question lol. id say a few grows atleast to see the TRUE POTENTIAL.. honestly..

I had a strain. I got from a friend.. it came out great.. the first 3 harvests... the 4th. it came out RIDICULOUSLY GOOD wwayyy better then the firstr 3.. I changed NOTHING.. I think that.. is when it was acclimated to my environment..

same with seeds.. right.. last year I put out some plants from indoors.. then I took clones.. of that outdoor plant.. and grew them indoors.. until this outdoor season.. and I put clones the exact same height out this year.. and guess what.. it seems like there getting used to the environment.. because they are doing 10X better then the first time they were grown outdoors.


I cant say this is 100% FACT.. but I can say.. ive seen it happen wether its from environment.. or whatever..

some people call it Dialing it in.. some don't.. but honestly. I think dialing in a strain means.. environmentally and nute wise..


like if u were to bring a strain from the tropics.. to somewere non tropical. and grew it outdoors for a few years.. it would eventually get used to the climate.. and start to do even better....

cannabis plants adapt. but I do not think they adapt within the first few weeks.. maybe they get used to it.. but not acclimate.