How long before a strain acclimatizes to a certain climate?

Wine makers refer to the specific growing conditions of grapes as terroir and its now being applied to weed. So how long before the terroir effects the offspring of plants grown in the region. For instance a Thai Sativa X Thai Sativa cross occurs, does the local climate/soil conditions/etc exert enough of an influence to effect the first generation, 2nd, etc? Does anybody have any experience with this?

No idea, but it's a very good/interesting question. Hopefully someone answers.

This is a cool question and should be discussed more at length, for this reason when I resort to seedbanks I always get regular seeds, with the intention fo breeding out these babes to my latitude, on this blue planet ..depending on the % of sativia, I go with 2-3 grows before the seed/plant is acclimatized to your area, my normal seedbank refuses to sell his Nanan-Bouclou (100% sativa) to any one not near the equator.

(http://cannabisseedsforsale.com/product-detail.aspx?Cat=Southern Star Seeds&Prod=Nanan Bouclou)

so I took it upon myself to try a local grower who got the seeds from a buddy in FNQ, and was able to try later in PNG, the latter was mind blowing to say the least, same seed, same external soil grow, different location, I can only assume the same issue happens in locals as the UK, etc, at 65 degrees north trying to grow a sativa outdoors, hence the popularity of Indica breeds in the 45 - 65 latitude, then to confuse it more... ruderalis(autos) at the same latitude,

this has been a lost subject since indoor grows have become so popular

Its affected in the first generation, it happens very quickly. Within weeks the plant will adapt. The environment will change nearly everything about the plant, within a few generations it will be almost unrecognizable without very careful selection. And it won't be the same. the plant adapted terpenes etc to help it survive in that environment. Even moving a clone to a different environment will affect it
(I mainly grow s.a. landraces)

and on that note...

if we constantly "baby" the plants (e.g. ideal conditions minus adversity), through multiple generations, will that reduce their resilience and robustness over time? That's what seems to happen with humans. If you provide humans with ideal "growth" conditions, but remove all resistance from their environment, they "acclimate" to the lack of adversity and become weaker.

Is the bartlett pear weaker now then it was 40 years ago?

Diabolical666 said:

Is the bartlett pear weaker now then it was 40 years ago?

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judging by the nature of that question, i'm thinking you know more about pears than i do.

Its called climatizing. The plants next year will flower on time and be better suited to the environment. If you repeat this year after year you'll lose the plant you started with in favor of a plant whose genetic dominance is better suited to the region. With all the mix up that has gone on over the last few decades, cannabis has all sorts of dormant genes just waiting to be woken.

reasonevangelist said:

judging by the nature of that question, i'm thinking you know more about pears than i do.

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point being, they dont weaken over time

Diabolical666 said:

point being, they dont weaken over time

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how long have they been keeping track of the robustness and resilience of bartlett pears bred in environments with zero adversity?

reasonevangelist said:

how long have they been keeping track of the robustness and resilience of bartlett pears bred in environments with zero adversity?

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I guess youre missing the point. To answer the question:as long as they have been growing them

Diabolical666 said:

I guess youre missing the point. To answer the question:as long as they have been growing them

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so your point is: even if it does eventually weaken them, it won't happen before we're long gone, so it doesn't matter.

qwizoking said:

Its affected in the first generation, it happens very quickly. Within weeks the plant will adapt. The environment will change nearly everything about the plant, within a few generations it will be almost unrecognizable without very careful selection. And it won't be the same. the plant adapted terpenes etc to help it survive in that environment. Even moving a clone to a different environment will affect it
(I mainly grow s.a. landraces)

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So, what does a pure thai sativa become when it adapts to the climate in which it is being grown? it's genetic makeup is entirely thai sativa. i dont think acclimatizing effects the genetics of the plant (which is what the plant becoming something recognizably different would be),

but i think its very influential on the plants expression of its genotype, in the sense that while the conditions are not simliar to its native climate they are survivable (i.e. youre note growing the plant in subzero conditions) and adaptable to by the plant, which as the plant adapts will allow to express its genotype in those conditions as fully as it would in its normal climate. i assume this because the entire goal of the plant is its expression of its genetic material and that these plants are very robust.

reasonevangelist said:

judging by the nature of that question, i'm thinking you know more about pears than i do.

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hes saying bartlett pears are grown in several different climates and microclimates throughout the world, and where you go and eat a bartlett pear it is always going to be a bartlett pear regardless of growing conditions as long as they can keep the tree healthy etc...

MightyMike530 said:

hes saying bartlett pears are grown in several different climates and microclimates throughout the world, and where you go and eat a bartlett pear it is always going to be a bartlett pear regardless of growing conditions as long as they can keep the tree healthy etc...

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which is pretty much what i am hoping happens with cannabis, except that i can hopefully start with a cross of some long flowering, 14 week sativas, to the same sativa except that it will finish in a 10 week growth window.

though thinking about it i may have answered my own questions above because if the 14 week flower time is part of the genotype growing it in a different climate will not change it.

MightyMike530 said:

hes saying bartlett pears are grown in several different climates and microclimates throughout the world, and where you go and eat a bartlett pear it is always going to be a bartlett pear regardless of growing conditions as long as they can keep the tree healthy etc...

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So then i wasn't the one missing the point. What you just described is diversity, not isolation from adversity.

So like i said: if you remove all adversity from anything that grows and reproduces, for many generations, without allowing adversity to ever affect whatever you're growing... its ability to cope with adversity will eventually decline.

It's kinda like how if you have 10 generations of men who never ever do pushups and never run a mile, the 11th generation will be "weak," compared to the first. If you raise humans in an environment without any resistance, where they never have to strive for improvement, their ability to strive will decline over generations.

Although i suppose quite a lot of things have been around longer than humans, and are perhaps more genetically stable.

It does affect the genetics,
Actually even your own genetics are constantly being altered by the environment etc.
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Also, I would love a 14 week heavy sativa. Lol mine go up to 26

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qwizoking said:

It does affect the genetics,
Actually even your own genetics are constantly being altered by the environment etc.
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Also, I would love a 14 week heavy sativa. Lol mine go up to 26

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so because the environment effects the genetics then it ruins the genetics, even though the environment might be milder than where the plant originated, based on what you said previously.

MightyMike530 said:

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so because the environment effects the genetics then it ruins the genetics, even though the environment might be milder than where the plant originated, based on what you said previously.

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Making it less physically robust or less resilient to environmental stressors, may not negatively impact its usefulness to us. But also it could. Eventually. We could end up with "glass cannon weed," which would be so fragile and difficult to grow to fruition, but could be exceptionally potent, or even present new high characteristics. Or, it could potentially stop producing some crucial chemical we don't know enough about to preserve. It's genetics: who knows what could happen? Either way, any significant changes will probably take longer to manifest than any of us will have to worry about.

"Ruined" is subjective.
Limonene is quite effective at killing aspergillus so prominent in certain tropical climates. When they brick the weed up strangely that strain refuses to mold. These adaptations dissapear quite quickly as I mentioned. But having such an array of odors can be good, new flavors seem to be hot and sell quickly


No offense but it sounds like your not experienced enough to even be discussing these matters

Yep, Im in over my head, for now!

But that is why I started the thread, is to learn more.