how does cigarette smoke compare to weed smoke concerning health.no biases, reality

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Unclepauly

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JimmyPot said:
Cigs cause cancer, weed according to a Harvard study kills cancer cells.Can't be any more clear then that to me.With out any bias I can say weed is the greatest medicine for nausea,aids,cancer,Flu on and on.I smoke it for the high but relized over time how great it helps my girl and I when we are sick.It truly is illegal because it is harder to brain wash pot heads to vote for the rich 1% of the right's plan for America and to get the poor to give up on their dreams and work in factories and labor jobs period!
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Jesus.... he said no bias and you laid it down thicker than shit dude
 
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asdf1

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Weed has more carcinogens per weight. Period. But look at the average weed smoker and how much they smoke vs the average cig smoker. Cigarettte smokers ingest more carcinogens even though weed is worse because of how much a cigareet smoker smokes vs a weed smoker. They just like to use that as propaganda by saying it has more carcinogens, well it does but use a little logic and youll figure out that its not as bad even though it does have more carcinogens.
 
andar

andar

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especially if the cigarette smoker also smokes weed it will be worse than a weed smoker who doesnt even smoke cigarettes. couple bongs a day vs 1 or 2 packs a day... cigarettes are shit
 
Sorklaoter

Sorklaoter

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Krawnik said:
When you're talking about chemicals, definately cigarettes. But if you're talking about the smoke itself, it'd be marijuana. People who smoke marijuana take deeper breaths than people who smoke cigarettes. Thus, the more smoke occupying space in your lungs, the more chances of harsh diseases.
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Minus the whole cancer thing, because in order for carcinogens in smoke to be active they have to be activated by an enzyme found in your body. THC negates that enzyme and makes it unable to break down the carcinogens and make them cancerous. That's why you don't hear about people who smoke ONLY pot getting cancer. I have heard however that smoking pot and cigs is a hell of a lot worse for you than smoking either pot or cigs alone.
 
Kerovan

Kerovan

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JimmyPot said:
Cigs cause cancer, weed according to a Harvard study kills cancer cells.Can't be any more clear then that to me.With out any bias I can say weed is the greatest medicine for nausea,aids,cancer,Flu on and on.I smoke it for the high but relized over time how great it helps my girl and I when we are sick.It truly is illegal because it is harder to brain wash pot heads to vote for the rich 1% of the right's plan for America and to get the poor to give up on their dreams and work in factories and labor jobs period!
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where is this Harvard study at? link it?
 
Kerovan

Kerovan

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Sorklaoter said:
Minus the whole cancer thing, because in order for carcinogens in smoke to be active they have to be activated by an enzyme found in your body. THC negates that enzyme and makes it unable to break down the carcinogens and make them cancerous. That's why you don't hear about people who smoke ONLY pot getting cancer. I have heard however that smoking pot and cigs is a hell of a lot worse for you than smoking either pot or cigs alone.
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where is a scientific link to this?
 
Sorklaoter

Sorklaoter

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I haven't seen the study myself but read about it in the 3rd Cannabible my Jason King. He dedicated a whole section to it. But who knows, he could be a big fat liar.
 
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pinxpointxpupil

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Nullis said:
There are a few things to consider about cigarettes that a lot of people don't seem to realize. Firstly, 95+% of cigarette brands and other so-called 'tobacco' products just aren't really tobacco. A good percentage of what is in a cigarette is homogenized or "reconstituted tobacco"; they take the sweepings from the floor and other left overs: dust, stems and low grade leaf parts that could be a decade old, blend it to a pulp, press it into a sheet and shred it.
Then there is the "expanded tobacco", made with leaf that is doused in ammonia and freon, then freeze-dried. This increases the finished volume of tobacco they can get out of the same amount of material.
Then there are the 599 additives that the FDA has actually approved for these bastards to adulterate the recon with. Despite all of this, everybody turns around and says tobacco causes cancer, so smoking causes cancer and thus cannabis must have the potential cause it, too.

But, wait a minute...there is also smokeless tobacco: snuff, dip, chewing tobacco products. These products are also very likely to cause oral, esophageal and other kinds of cancer with prolonged use. There is absolutely no smoke involved here...and yet, cancer! I know of no other herbal materials that could cause a cancerous lesion to develop if you constantly put a wad of it between your lip and gum line.
And I am surprised more people don't catch on to this, and the fact that tobacco grown in the United States (and likely many other places) is grown with cheap phosphate fertilizers that are derived from mined apatite and contaminated with radium, lead 210 and polonium 210 (these are radioactive).
If you do a little research and come up with lists of the components that are found in mainstream tobacco smoke (not just the list of the additives) you will see polonium 210 and various other horrible substances listed there.
http://quitsmoking.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.csn.ul.ie%2F~stephen%2Freports%2Fbc4927.html
http://quitsmoking.about.com/od/chemicalsinsmoke/p/radioactivemetals.htm
http://www.smoke-free.ca/factsheets/pdf/Carcinogens.PDF

I used to try to explain this to people all the time, so many of them refused to consider it and many more just seemed to pretend to agree...while they took another drag. Smoke your cigarettes and die like the government wants you too, kids!
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I agree with all of that, the tobacco probably wouldn't be much worse than ganja if they didn't irradiate and poison it...

I remember chillin in a room with a black light on and someone put a cig under it and the fuckin thing glows. and im not just talking about the paper, the tabacco inside is glowing...

I'm pretty positive all the recent studies show that even heavy use of cannabis causes no increased risk of lung cancer
 
Kerovan

Kerovan

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I did a bit of searching. There has been no study saying Cannabis does not cause cancer, nor any saying definativly that it does. Some studies have shown THC to help with some cancers, but that is pure THC only, not cannabis. There are studies that show other things in cannabis do cause cell damage and mutation. It also plays havoc with the bodies autoimmune system which could help cancer grow. And another study showing a higher risk of cancer with cannabis smokers than non cannabis smokers. So it's a toss up on results. There needs to be a lot more research going on, which isn't happening.. :-(
 
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gobbly

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latest study I read was that substances in marijuana smoke actually reduced the occurrence of cancer in cigarette smokers. It went on to detail how certain substances in marijuana actually work to remove carcinogens from the lungs and counteract the effects of smoking.

At the same time, breathing any carcinogen isn't good, so I'd still look to baking and vaporizing as the safest ways to go. I'd be curious what sort of ambient air pollution levels we'd have to be at for the anti-carcinogenic effects of marijuana to outweigh the risks of inhaling its carcinogens :)

The risk of death from smoking cigarettes is well documented and accepted by pretty much the whole scientific community. There has yet to be a death attributed to marijuana. I think any comparison would tell you marijuana is less toxic. Plus marijuana contains no poisons that I'm aware of. Nicotine itself is a poison.
 
Sorklaoter

Sorklaoter

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And marijuana does not contain carpet glue. Cigarettes (at least in the state I live in, I dunno if it's nationwide yet) are mandated by law to contain bands of ethylene vinyl acetate in the paper as a fire retardant. They call them "fire safe cigarettes" because if you don't hit the cigarettes when they hit these bands then they'll go out. But it's not fucking fire safe, it's still on fire...so I think it's a conspiracy but that's also just what I'd like to believe
 
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jdizzle22

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Kerovan said:
I did a bit of searching. There has been no study saying Cannabis does not cause cancer, nor any saying definativly that it does. Some studies have shown THC to help with some cancers, but that is pure THC only, not cannabis. There are studies that show other things in cannabis do cause cell damage and mutation. It also plays havoc with the bodies autoimmune system which could help cancer grow. And another study showing a higher risk of cancer with cannabis smokers than non cannabis smokers. So it's a toss up on results. There needs to be a lot more research going on, which isn't happening.. :-(
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You haven't done a lot of searching then :P I've read tons of articles/studies that have shown no increase in the likelihood of Head/Neck/Throat/Lung/etc cancers in marijuana SMOKERS who have been doing so for DECADES over non smokers. There are far too many for me to link to them but I will link to one that talks about the differences between Marijuana and Tobacco smoke.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/
 
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smokinskins said:
cigs seem way harsher plus more smoke inhales over a cig than taking a few tokes of the good stuff. maybe bong rips worse but a few of those to 25 drags in a cig? what is worse for physical health the same amount of pot or the same amount of tobacco?
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Brushing with Comet powdered bleach will kill anything that ails you! Soft on hands and leaves your mouth feeling sweet and fresh.
 
Kerovan

Kerovan

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jdizzle22 said:
You haven't done a lot of searching then :P I've read tons of articles/studies that have shown no increase in the likelihood of Head/Neck/Throat/Lung/etc cancers in marijuana SMOKERS who have been doing so for DECADES over non smokers. There are far too many for me to link to them but I will link to one that talks about the differences between Marijuana and Tobacco smoke.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/
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I did search. You stopped when you got the answer you wanted to see. I didn't. There are lots of studies that show increased cancer risk with cannabis. That is not a study you linked either, it's just an opinion piece based on a few studies. it is not definitive.
That's why I said there needs to be more research, something that isn't happening.
 
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sticky.thumb

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Ronjohn7779 said:
Breathing in any burnt organic compounds will cause cancer over time. That is a fact. Truth be told weed smoke is less lethal than cigarettes because weed doesn't have all these crazy chemicals added to it that cigarettes have added (think on the level of tars and other chemicals). However pure tobacco and pure pot should have similar deadly consequences over prolonged use. This should just motivate you to buy a volcano and avoid 99% of these cancer causing compounds.
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well said ronjohn
 
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