How Do You Order Seeds?

Andrewk420

Andrewk420

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I'm talking about quantities here, not literally a how to of the process.

I'm looking for opinions on whether you order pick and mix style seeds one at a time or if you prefer to get a pack of the same strain.
 
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FiggyA

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I buy packs of the same strain because that's all I've seen available here in California on the shelf. Even if there was variety packs, I'm not sure I'd buy it. It doesn't seem worth the hassle. Besides that, I'm picky about my grass and odds are I wouldn't be interested in a good chunk of the seeds that were included.

Edit: I guess I didn't understand the "pick and mix" comment so half my post can be disregarded
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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I order packs. Usually multiple packs. 1 seed of a strain usually is only one pheno of that strain. You may like a different plant from that pack more.

I have been planting a different feminized seed strain or cross almost every week perpetually for years and if you plant 2 of the same pack many times you get two different plants. Sometimes similar but still different in structure. And with that can be flavor, smell and potency differences.
 
Andrewk420

Andrewk420

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MichiganMedGrower said:
I order packs. Usually multiple packs. 1 seed of a strain usually is only one pheno of that strain. You may like a different plant from that pack more.

I have been planting a different feminized seed strain or cross almost every week perpetually for years and if you plant 2 of the same pack many times you get two different plants. Sometimes similar but still different in structure. And with that can be flavor, smell and potency differences.
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This is what I'm considering. I want to get an accurate representation of the strains I grow. But I also want to grow a bajillion strains lol.



I've heard opinions that you also don't get accurate representations of strains through feminized seeds, but don't know the validity of those claims.
 
vostok

vostok

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Andrewk420 said:
I'm talking about quantities here, not literally a how to of the process.

I'm looking for opinions on whether you order pick and mix style seeds one at a time or if you prefer to get a pack of the same strain.
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Muilti packs minimum of 10 and discount with volume(about 35%cash)

VIP for me is the breeder has to have been around for over 10 years ...

and er Dutch or Spanish

as so many fucking Fakes about

good luck
 
vostok

vostok

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MichiganMedGrower said:
I order packs. Usually multiple packs. 1 seed of a strain usually is only one pheno of that strain. You may like a different plant from that pack more.

I have been planting a different feminized seed strain or cross almost every week perpetually for years and if you plant 2 of the same pack many times you get two different plants. Sometimes similar but still different in structure. And with that can be flavor, smell and potency differences.
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you are correct but does imply Instability
 
tyke1973

tyke1973

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Attitude,Just stick to seed strains that are tried and tested,If its something i have not done before,I ask on here,But more often than not its hard to get a Answer,so i go on you tube and check out several different threads of the same strain,This gives you a idea of what the bud ,will look like then,look at the strain reports they will give you a idea of smell ext .I have ordered several times single seeds and so far all ways been ok,if i was after Pheno's then i would go for packs of the same strain.

The Grow i'm doing now is from free seeds i was given,with a Order from attitude,all 4 was freebies,Same with the next grow two of those was free and other two bought in a pack of 10
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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vostok said:
you are correct but does imply Instability
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Not from my favorite so far. CH9.

Maybe 5 different phenos per strain/cross usually found. Actually pretty amazing for feminized f-1 and s-1 seeds.

But he spent many years developing his breeding plants.

I meant it as more general advice. I wouldn’t expect the same results with a company that sells a new “cross of the week” or elite clone crosses.

I agree with you about old school breeders.
 
vostok

vostok

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Not from my favorite so far. CH9.

Maybe 5 different phenos per strain/cross usually found. Actually pretty amazing for feminized f-1 and s-1 seeds.

But he spent many years developing his breeding plants.

I meant it as more general advice. I wouldn’t expect the same results with a company that sells a new “cross of the week” or elite clone crosses.

I agree with you about old school breeders.
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Nice Site : ...I may last as these guys do ...sell seeds in bulk ..lol cheers/
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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vostok said:
you are correct but does imply Instability
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Absolutely NOT!

Pheno's can be vast and finding the "one" can be a daunting task (sometimes). This is normal as can be. It's nature at work.

I popped like 12 beans from a project. Got 9 distinctly different phenos and 3 males.....This was from F1's. Taste, potency, smell, structure and Ind/Sat growth patterns, are expressed in differing amounts. Some are more then others but, you will always have phenotypical variance! Even in cubed or "stabilized" strains...

You dig to find what your looking for in a pheno. You cross that again to F2 and your getting more that will be like the one you wanted. Still getting pheno's though...

I don't prefer the older company's and the older strains, UNLESS it's a clone of the original or very early work.

Take AK-47 for a perfect example.
This strain is now nothing like the first few runs of that popular strain...

How many different # Dosidos are available, or have been available from Archive?

I like the new breeders better. The old school strains are getting way to "watered down"... Look at the NL strains.....NL5 is nothing like the original anymore either...

Trainwreck is an example of a strain that was full of differing pheno's. Hard to find the right one and full of herming one's too.
You had to start with the Arcata cut and search from there - if you wanted breeding stock. Males were hit and miss for that too...herming trait.

Peace
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Dr. Who said:
Absolutely NOT!

Pheno's can be vast and finding the "one" can be a daunting task (sometimes). This is normal as can be. It's nature at work.

I popped like 12 beans from a project. Got 9 distinctly different phenos and 3 males.....This was from F1's. Taste, potency, smell, structure and Ind/Sat growth patterns, are expressed in differing amounts. Some are more then others but, you will always have phenotypical variance! Even in cubed or "stabilized" strains...

You dig to find what your looking for in a pheno. You cross that again to F2 and your getting more that will be like the one you wanted. Still getting pheno's though...

I don't prefer the older company's and the older strains, UNLESS it's a clone of the original or very early work.

Take AK-47 for a perfect example.
This strain is now nothing like the first few runs of that popular strain...

How many different # Dosidos are available, or have been available from Archive?

I like the new breeders better. The old school strains are getting way to "watered down"... Look at the NL strains.....NL5 is nothing like the original anymore either...

Trainwreck is an example of a strain that was full of differing pheno's. Hard to find the right one and full of herming one's too.
You had to start with the Arcata cut and search from there - if you wanted breeding stock. Males were hit and miss for that too...herming trait.

Peace
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What do you think of the Seeds of Africa and World of Seeds genetics?
Are they what they claim? Or just marketing hype?
Curious to hear your opinion.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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xtsho said:
What do you think of the Seeds of Africa and World of Seeds genetics?
Are they what they claim? Or just marketing hype?
Curious to hear your opinion.
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Long as your sticking with landrace genetics. You should be fine.
Once you make a crossing. Repeating that cross and getting the same results with any different parent, even from the same seed batch. Your going to get a change in result. It'll now include that pheno's traits.

Yet a note on landrace: Say you have a patch of cannabis growing in an area. There is another patch, say 10 miles away. They maybe the same strain but, have differing genetic makeup.
Say the wind blows some pollen from #1 to #2. The genetic make up has now changed by natural genetic "shift". This is now still the same strain but contains differing phenotypical traits being expressed by the difference from each, now combined.

Say one was highland and the other lowland. You now have a combination of each. I always prefered the highland Thai over the lowland Thai's. My opinion though.

Many landrace strains are very regional. They tend to be isolated from others of the region by natural limiting factors. They tend to stay right about where they are genetically speaking.
Picking landrace seeds for projects, is just as important as picking any cross for a project.

I got some beans from a military service person that served in Iraq. They ran very nicely, yet. They do express like a cross. Ind x sat.....I have no idea what the hashmaker did as far as any cross to his held strain.
Potent and long lasting buzz. Definitely a cross somewhere though. Leaf/plant structure and smell.. Tell me so.

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Day of harvest shots.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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Dr. Who said:
Long as your sticking with landrace genetics. You should be fine.
Once you make a crossing. Repeating that cross and getting the same results with any different parent, even from the same seed batch. Your going to get a change in result. It'll now include that pheno's traits.

Yet a note on landrace: Say you have a patch of cannabis growing in an area. There is another patch, say 10 miles away. They maybe the same strain but, have differing genetic makeup.
Say the wind blows some pollen from #1 to #2. The genetic make up has now changed by natural genetic "shift". This is now still the same strain but contains differing phenotypical traits being expressed by the difference from each, now combined.

Say one was highland and the other lowland. You now have a combination of each. I always prefered the highland Thai over the lowland Thai's. My opinion though.

Many landrace strains are very regional. They tend to be isolated from others of the region by natural limiting factors. They tend to stay right about where they are genetically speaking.
Picking landrace seeds for projects, is just as important as picking any cross for a project.

I got some beans from a military service person that served in Iraq. They ran very nicely, yet. They do express like a cross. Ind x sat.....I have no idea what the hashmaker did as far as any cross to his held strain.
Potent and long lasting buzz. Definitely a cross somewhere though. Leaf/plant structure and smell.. Tell me so.

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Day of harvest shots.
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Cross or not that is some nice looking bud.

I have regular seeds of every landrace I could find from various seedbanks. I'm really intrigued with some of the South American and African strains. I know that most of the popular lines created by breeders took years to achieve but I have a couple decades left I hope and it's a great hobby crossing strains and seeing what comes out of it. Most of mine have been good but nothing I want to continue. The exception was crossing a clone of a plant I got that supposedly came from a breeder in southern California that I crossed with a Master Kush. It was the most hardy, potent, high yielding plant that I have ever grown. Unfortunately I lost that strain. But these days I'm not so much interested in potency and quantity as I am quality.

I'm not claiming to be a breeder and I am definitely not interested in doing this for money. But it is a fun and rewarding hobby playing with plants and creating strains that maybe never existed before. I do it with not with just cannabis but vegetables and flowers as well.
 
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